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[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.16 Eastern Quoll

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Lynching

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

Nachomamma8

(L-4): MURDERCAT, Dragon of the West, hiplop,

All In

A Simple Plan

(L-5): Vedith, Raskolnikov,

dwlee99

All In

(L-5): The_Jester, Shadow_Step

Dragon of the West

(L-5): Bellaphant, All In

Vedith

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Shadow_Step,

A Simple Plan

The_Jester

(L-6): Killthestory

hiplop

(L-6): dwlee99

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(1): Nachomamma8

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[Raskolnikov]

I'm back!

All in's alright, robbnva was good anyways.

Nacho's townreads are decent, but him (and like half the game) not willing to go into their scumreads is still fucking with me. From my experience these situations lead to last-minute "settle" wagons and compromising at deadline just to avoid no-lynch but whatever.

Have more to say but for now resetting prod timer.

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: hiplop
back to this

Can you go into this?

[Raskolnikov]

N1 Murdercat Positive Vedith, Dragon of the West.
JOAT first investigative action.

If the player flipped cop/gunsmith, Murdercat would be scum (Target was murdercat, result was negative so "mafia" or "gun").

So positive = inno? The way you said this is confusing because its positive in the example and negative in the explanation.

N3 MURDERCAT Positive MURDERCAT

Can you eli5 this one?

Also, if I'm understanding this. People should fake results on people they're likely to investigate, meaning scum or null reads. But wouldn't claiming an inno on one of these means they have to treat them as inno even though they aren't a townread in order to maintain the illusion? Overall still worth it but man that change to town flexibility (people having scumreads they can't/shouldn't pursue) I'd imagine is going to make things weird.

[Raskolnikov]

Can we get prods please?

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[Dwlee99]

VOTE: hiplop
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Can you go into this?

Didnt like the post from hiplop criticizing robbnva's play this game and Im not liking the refusal to engage me on it.

[Bellaphant]

I thought hippy's post was fine to point out Rob's fuss about starting wagons. But then ive played with Rob's alt anf I guess hippy has too...

[Bellaphant]

@nacho, Does that help explain why I thought dwlee 's reaction was bad? It was a gut thing more than anything

[Raskolnikov]

I saw that as either out of humour or "rubbing it in", he voted with him too and didn't seem to cast doubt or badmouth him through it, I thought it was a minor thing anyways.
I don't really get your perspective since literally everyone thinks its not substantial (and so him not "engaging you" on it is okay) but you scumread it and seem to have your read on that one thing.

If you said you scumread him for his interactions around you or in something else he did more noteworthy I could understand but this is kind of silly? Do you think everyone's except you is wrong in seeing this one thing differently?

[Raskolnikov]

I mean I don't even townread hiplop but the way you scumread him doesn't make sense.

[Raskolnikov]

Actually nacho thinks it's a good point and wonders why he doesn't answer, but comes away with a hiplop townread anyways. Nacho's townread on hiplop in general I don't follow either.

Nacho's if you're town you know murder and all in just finished townreading you on one-sided/limited meta (I'm sure at least all-in is town) and how wrong it would be since you can fake these posts as scum, so how can you go on to townread hiplop in the same way, admitting it's based on one-sided meta without alarm bells going off?

[Raskolnikov]

At least the eventual replacements will give us an extension hopefully...

[hiplop]

Nachos reada make no sense. That is abnormal for nacho.

Hes scum

[The_Jester]

Sorry for inactivity, I forgot to call V/LA as usual during weekends. I'm gonna catch up and post tomorrow.

[Nachomamma8]

Actually nacho thinks it's a good point and wonders why he doesn't answer, but comes away with a hiplop townread anyways. Nacho's townread on hiplop in general I don't follow either.

I don't think that it is something that hiplop is more likely to do as scum as town. I thought hiplop's original point was bad (which doesn't have anything to do with alignment), but I thought Dwlee picking up on it and pressing him on it was good. I thought hiplop engaging with Dwlee would help Dwlee's read there and I worked up facilitate that.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho's if you're town you know murder and all in just finished townreading you on one-sided/limited meta (I'm sure at least all-in is town) and how wrong it would be since you can fake these posts as scum, so how can you go on to townread hiplop in the same way, admitting it's based on one-sided meta without alarm bells going off?

Murder and All-In both incorrectly scumread me due to thinking that I would lurk as scum but not town.

My townread on hiplop is because I don't think that he would play so lazily and so sloppily as scum; this is based on limited meta because part of it is his commentary on his own scum play and how I've seen him behave in the past, but while I'm not sure he doesn't do it as scum, I don't really see the motivation in copying that aspect of his town meta here (since it often gets him mislynched). Does that make sense?

[Dwlee99]

I saw that as either out of humour or "rubbing it in", he voted with him too and didn't seem to cast doubt or badmouth him through it, I thought it was a minor thing anyways.
I don't really get your perspective since literally everyone thinks its not substantial (and so him not "engaging you" on it is okay) but you scumread it and seem to have your read on that one thing.

If you said you scumread him for his interactions around you or in something else he did more noteworthy I could understand but this is kind of silly? Do you think everyone's except you is wrong in seeing this one thing differently?

It didnt sit right with me. It was just a mocking thing and I didnt understand it but hiplop refuses to engage me on it.

[A Simple Plan]

Reading over things, I've come to the decision that i might be wrong about Vedith in terms of him being scum. Rereading his ISO for Open 606 and Micro 547 (I'll link to them later, I'm late for a dinner date ATM) the only major difference I can see in his playstyle is activity, which is decisively in my book not alignment indicative. He was town both of the aforementioned games. For now...

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[The_Jester]

Yup still confused.

VOTE: DoTW

I'm a sheep.
Plus the only thing he posted is excuses for inactivity, misreading and fluff (just like me, huh?)

[Vedith]

Reading over things, I've come to the decision that i might be wrong about Vedith in terms of him being scum. Rereading his ISO for Open 606 and Micro 547 (I'll link to them later, I'm late for a dinner date ATM) the only major difference I can see in his playstyle is activity, which is decisively in my book not alignment indicative. He was town both of the aforementioned games. For now...

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May I ask why you specifically took those 2 games to compare to?
They were pretty far down the list of my games. Do you believe that people can't adept to their own meta after that amount of time?
How do you feel I would play if I was scum?

To me, this was a failed wagon so you are now jumping straight off it.

Can you give me thoughts on other players?
What do you think about Jester? Is his play too obvious?

[Dragon of the West]

Hey guys, been working nonstop this weekend. I work again right now until 8 EST. I'll catch up tonight!

[Killthestory]

V/LA to the 20th

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[Vedith]

Inactive is was scum like. Lets get more pushing done.

@Jester - Can you explain the game in your view so far?