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[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.18 Northern Quoll

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Lynching

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

Nachomamma8

(L-3): MURDERCAT,

Dragon of the West,

hiplop, Raskolnikov, dwlee99

Dragon of the West

(L-4): Bellaphant, All In, The_Jester

A Simple Plan

(L-6): Vedith,

Raskolnikov

All In

(L-6): Shadow_Step

The_Jester

(L-6): Killthestory

hiplop

(L-7): dwlee99

Not Voting

(3): Nachomamma8, A Simple Plan, Dragon of the West

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[Shadow_step]

@Nacho: Dwlee again, bella, also more murder details and how that changed from earlier townread.
@Shadow. are you 'reaction testing' or do you actually believe the things you're saying? If you want vedith/all-in lynched maybe go into it a bit more?
@Vedith any comment on the nacho thing or on the other slots? What is your actual read on shadow?
@Dragon I don't have a problem with you but god help you if you don't finish your catchup or inexplicably vanish tomorrow.
@KTS something, anything
@murder update?
@bella any thoughts on nacho himself this game? go into/give update on dragon read.

I'm not reaction testing, I've pointed out inconsistencies in All In's thought process which can't possibly come from town.
He hasn't even responded to them yet.
Nobody is buying my case against him so he keeps on conveniently ignoring it.

[MURDERCAT]

MURDERCAT I think is scummy mainly for meta differences but have a very limited meta experience with him and thus have pretty low confidence in voting there.

I've been in London for a week hence the meta change. Luckily I have some time now.

[MURDERCAT]

UNVOTE:

Whatever, nacho wagon can wait if he's scum.

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: KTS

Sheepy and I think his read on me is fake. This is a real wagon that I want to happen.

[Raskolnikov]

I'm not reaction testing, I've pointed out inconsistencies in All In's thought process which can't possibly come from town.
He hasn't even responded to them yet.
Nobody is buying my case against him so he keeps on conveniently ignoring it.

Your case is that he said he didn't like your RVS vote and you say that's BS.
Do you have anything else to say?

You're making it out as though you've made a big case and pointed out inconsistencies when what you pointed out reads very insubstantial and not even something anybody really agrees with.
If you're 100% on him scum maybe go into the other 90% of what he said?

[Shadow_step]

Your case is that he said he didn't like your RVS vote and you say that's BS.
Do you have anything else to say?

You're making it out as though you've made a big case and pointed out inconsistencies when what you pointed out reads very insubstantial and not even something anybody really agrees with.
If you're 100% on him scum maybe go into the other 90% of what he said?

Are you kidding me right now?

Notes from pages 1-3

-Don't like Shadow Steps RVS vote: Naked vote on a person who has not yet posted.
-Shadow Step follows up with a vote on my predecessor when the RVS wagon starts to build. Wondering why he didn't try starting a wagon instead of his naked vote earlier
-Murdercat taking the lead and votes Raskolnikov: good vote.

I need to go right now. I'll finish up on my catchup a bit later.

Why didn't you have a problem with this vote? Granted it wasn't a naked vote, but there is no real reasoning. Specifically why didn't you have a problem with not voting someone who had already posted? He could have also voted to form a wagon but did not, why didn't you have a problem with that?

VOTE: ASP

Tempted with the Jester vote, but I feel there's scum on that wagon.

Content to hammer!

Plus when the wagon on Robb(now All in) started to form Vedith said this and didn't jump on that Robb wagon.

There is something really weird going on between these two slots.
I'd prefer a All in lynch now cause that attack on me feels like a chainsaw.

VOTE: All in

Explain me the town motivation behind not responding to this.

[Raskolnikov]

Actually never mind, you're fine.

VOTE: KTS

[All In]

Your case is that he said he didn't like your RVS vote and you say that's BS.
Do you have anything else to say?

You're making it out as though you've made a big case and pointed out inconsistencies when what you pointed out reads very insubstantial and not even something anybody really agrees with.
If you're 100% on him scum maybe go into the other 90% of what he said?

Are you kidding me right now?

Notes from pages 1-3

-Don't like Shadow Steps RVS vote: Naked vote on a person who has not yet posted.
-Shadow Step follows up with a vote on my predecessor when the RVS wagon starts to build. Wondering why he didn't try starting a wagon instead of his naked vote earlier
-Murdercat taking the lead and votes Raskolnikov: good vote.

I need to go right now. I'll finish up on my catchup a bit later.

Why didn't you have a problem with this vote? Granted it wasn't a naked vote, but there is no real reasoning. Specifically why didn't you have a problem with not voting someone who had already posted? He could have also voted to form a wagon but did not, why didn't you have a problem with that?

VOTE: ASP

Tempted with the Jester vote, but I feel there's scum on that wagon.

Content to hammer!

Plus when the wagon on Robb(now All in) started to form Vedith said this and didn't jump on that Robb wagon.

There is something really weird going on between these two slots.
I'd prefer a All in lynch now cause that attack on me feels like a chainsaw.

VOTE: All in

Explain me the town motivation behind not responding to this.

You're dwelling on stuff that happened on the first page.
Move on.

[Dwlee99]

Im sheeping my town reads here.
VOTE: Kts

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[hiplop]

grumble!!!

the scumteam is nacho

[Dragon of the West]

No scumread? No vote?

I wanted to wait to hear why shadowstep was tunneling all in before I put my vote on anyone. Also, I'm not the only one that doesn't have my vote on anyone and there are multiple people that have been unwilling to divulge their reads

[Nachomamma8]

No scumread? No vote?

I wanted to wait to hear why shadowstep was tunneling all in before I put my vote on anyone. Also, I'm not the only one that doesn't have my vote on anyone and there are multiple people that have been unwilling to divulge their reads

Why bring up that you weren't the only person not voting?
Who has been unwilling to divulge their reads?

[Nachomamma8]

This the first I'm hearing about you not having time or low motivation; before you said you intentionally came in late and focused on what you did as a reaction test, and then said you didn't want to go into who you leaned scum on purpose as well, and just sounded so calm and fine being secretive you gave off this feeling of being fine with everything and doing what you wanted to be doing. Like you were giving off this "it's all going to plan" vibe which felt BS and none of the concern for the game situation or your personal one which I expected to see until now. You acted (or at least how I read it) like you did have control over what you were doing (as opposed to not having time = not really having resources to do what you wanted) and that made it look like you were intentionally holding out, which is my problem.

I think your general sense of me feeling that it was all going to plan because of my opening was something that you were reading into and not something that I actually meant to convey; I planned to discuss and fully explain the plan early in the day, and then kept putting off posting because I wanted that specific opening but it took work and that ended up pushing me further and further behind; generally when I'm low posting, I'm not low posting on purpose.

Not explicitly saying that I was busy was an oversight but I figured it was obvious enough based on the number of prod dodges I've posted here.

[The_Jester]

I wanted to wait to hear why shadowstep was tunneling all in before I put my vote on anyone.

I call bullshit on that.

Also, I'm not the only one that doesn't have my vote on anyone and there are multiple people that have been unwilling to divulge their reads

Two wrongs don't make it right. Where's your vote?

[Nachomamma8]

"not enough time" explanation and his early under-control public appearance contradict each other.

How do they contradict each other?

[Raskolnikov]

No scumread? No vote?

I wanted to wait to hear why shadowstep was tunneling all in before I put my vote on anyone. Also, I'm not the only one that doesn't have my vote on anyone and there are multiple people that have been unwilling to divulge their reads

So any comments now? I don't know what you're waiting for even if others are vla. If you have any questions to anyone you aren't really asking them.

[Vedith]

@Vedith any comment on the nacho thing or on the other slots? What is your actual read on shadow?

Shadow I think is actually looking for scum. I don't think he is going into the right directions though.
Nacho I don't see as scum, I've only played a few games with him though so meta side I can't comment but it doesn't seem off, but I don't really see why others are voting him.
Out of the 3 leading wagons, KTS would be the best (Dragon lynch seems forced).

ASP on the other hand... Tries to make a wagon on me, fails and he gives up.
That's a scum tell in my book.

Jester I'm worried about, he's making it obvious that he wants to put no effort into the game. Personally I see this as a double bluff a roo McGee.

KTS is more fluff in game, a bit like Jester but looks a lot more fake and trying to hide it more.

Murdercat I'm not warming up to yet, didn't like the Nacho comment personal.

UNVOTE: ASP
This doesn't change my read on ASP

VOTE: KTS

[Raskolnikov]

The leniency on v/la probably means no replaces after all today and no extension which sucks. I was hoping for a deadline extension to then snowball into a few replaces and reboot the game tbh.

At this point I'm fine with either kts and now dragon wagon though ASP would still be better if people would ever see it (look at that entrance). Not a fan of bella either but meh.

Legitimately have a few things with KTS and now dragon but I want people to give their own reasons instead of repeating/paraphrasing what I say.

[Raskolnikov]

Oh hey. I disagree on jester and I would think you'd like murder for starting the KTS wagon but other than that.

Still don't even townread nacho (feeling confident on him in either direction this early is semi impossible) but he's too potentially valuable to gamble on here and is at least doing things now.
I feel like you should at least understand what was the reason behind that one though? It was because he had the time for d2 hypoclaim stuff but not reads/involvement.

[Dragon of the West]

No scumread? No vote?

I wanted to wait to hear why shadowstep was tunneling all in before I put my vote on anyone. Also, I'm not the only one that doesn't have my vote on anyone and there are multiple people that have been unwilling to divulge their reads

Why bring up that you weren't the only person not voting?
Who has been unwilling to divulge their reads?

Saying that it doesn't make sense to only take issue with me not putting a vote out when others don't have them out as well. And a few people. One was definitely robb who I realize is replaced but a few others mentioned not wanting to go into there scumreads further. It's 2:45 am right now and I'm tired as hell. I'll try to remember but remind me if I don't, I'll quote where people wouldn't divulge all their reads

[Dragon of the West]

EBWOP: I'll quote it tomorrow

[Dragon of the West]

This the first I'm hearing about you not having time or low motivation; before you said you intentionally came in late and focused on what you did as a reaction test, and then said you didn't want to go into who you leaned scum on purpose as well, and just sounded so calm and fine being secretive you gave off this feeling of being fine with everything and doing what you wanted to be doing. Like you were giving off this "it's all going to plan" vibe which felt BS and none of the concern for the game situation or your personal one which I expected to see until now. You acted (or at least how I read it) like you did have control over what you were doing (as opposed to not having time = not really having resources to do what you wanted) and that made it look like you were intentionally holding out, which is my problem.

I think your general sense of me feeling that it was all going to plan because of my opening was something that you were reading into and not something that I actually meant to convey; I planned to discuss and fully explain the plan early in the day, and then kept putting off posting because I wanted that specific opening but it took work and that ended up pushing me further and further behind; generally when I'm low posting, I'm not low posting on purpose.

Not explicitly saying that I was busy was an oversight but I figured it was obvious enough based on the number of prod dodges I've posted here.

"not enough time" explanation and his early under-control public appearance contradict each other.

How do they contradict each other?

Because someone who is confident in the game doesn't then say they haven't had time to analyze the game. But I like your explanation here and am willing to consider I and rask misinterpreted your tone early on

[Dragon of the West]

I wanted to wait to hear why shadowstep was tunneling all in before I put my vote on anyone.

I call bullshit on that.

Also, I'm not the only one that doesn't have my vote on anyone and there are multiple people that have been unwilling to divulge their reads

Two wrongs don't make it right. Where's your vote?

never said that I thought not having a vote on someone at the moment was a wrong. that's exactly why I unvoted at the beginning of my catchup