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[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.20 Eastern Quoll

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Lynching

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

Killthestory

(L-3): MURDERCAT, Raskolnikov,

dwlee99,

Vedith, Shadow_Step

Dragon of the West

(L-4): Bellaphant, All In, The_Jester

Nachomamma8

(L-6): hiplop

The_Jester

(L-6): Killthestory

MURDERCAT

(L-6): dwlee99

All In

(L-7): Shadow_Step

Not Voting

(3): Nachomamma8, A Simple Plan, Dragon of the West

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[Vedith]

Also veid's post there looks stirry

In what way?
Don't you think it's a bit odd that he puts his vote on KTS when Nacho/Dragon look stronger as wagons, then when people start voting with him, he says that he likes it even less, but keeps his vote there.

VOTE: KTS

Sheepy and I think his read on me is fake. This is a real wagon that I want to happen.

God damn, I'm vla and I'm the one being sheeped...

This looks like a pre town credit vote imo.

[Shadow_step]

VOTE: murdercat

That doesn't look like a town reaction at all.

[Dragon of the West]

Id prefer asp death to kts

How do you feel about the murdercat reaction to the wagon forming?

[Dragon of the West]

actually regardless of kts flip that posting by murdercat was bad
VOTE: Murdercat
let's see the wagon speed of this *eyeroll*

What're your thoughts on KTS depending on murdercat flipping town/scum? I feel like if murder flipped scum it would point to KTS as a partner

[Nachomamma8]

Id prefer asp death to kts

How do you feel about the murdercat reaction to the wagon forming?

You clearly think the reaction was scummy; why do you think that MURDERCAT would start a wagon on his partner and then express cold feet the second the wagon started to pick up steam? It seems odd to me that MURDERCAT would vote his partner in that position if he wasn't willing to let the wagon go through (there weren't a whole lot of wagons that actually looked like they were going through, meaning that people would be receptive to a new wagon).

[The_Jester]

I can't really see why scum would want to tunnel their partner at this point, with so many people alive. I found Murdercat's reaction as an honest disappointment at town's performance (and rightfully so).

[Dragon of the West]

Id prefer asp death to kts

How do you feel about the murdercat reaction to the wagon forming?

You clearly think the reaction was scummy; why do you think that MURDERCAT would start a wagon on his partner and then express cold feet the second the wagon started to pick up steam? It seems odd to me that MURDERCAT would vote his partner in that position if he wasn't willing to let the wagon go through (there weren't a whole lot of wagons that actually looked like they were going through, meaning that people would be receptive to a new wagon).

I'm confused by your point here. Are you saying that what murdercat did doesn't make sense for town!murder or scum!murder to do?

[Killthestory]

tfw you get wagonned while V/LA

like where do you expect to get with pressure when there's no one there to pressure?

[Killthestory]

$wI$h has been properly channeled.

[Killthestory]

If I could just "explain the game" I wouldn't have to make excuses, would I?

You're not trying to play. That's more just lazy and bad than scummy. Do something. Anything.

I haven't gotten into my scumreads yet because I haven't had time to form any; at a glance, I dislike KTS's general interactions with me. As fucked up as it is, I very sincerely appreciate the space that he's given me wrt lurking and wrt the plan but it seems like the amount of space that he's given me is unnatural, which is an interaction I'd expect from a scum-KTS who doesn't expect me to get lynched as town. I haven't really remembered anything that he's posted so far, expected him to find something to work with by now if he was town, but am unaware if lurking is AI for him or not.

You've only played with me for a single day in a single game. I mean, sure, KTS is different, yes. However, I am $wI$h, not KTS. I gave you time to see where you would go, and I do appreciate this read. I think this is a genuine read, but it's made in poor taste since you don't truly understand this form.

The reads feel good though.

I was hoping to find my own answers. There are no answers.

I feel like I have the most responsibility right now and am likely dying but knowing something must be done isn't helping get it done.

Agreed. Nacho reads feel genuine.

No answers to what? I see a lot of likely scum.

Do more then.

VOTE: KTS

Sheepy and I think his read on me is fake.

This is a real wagon that I want to happen.

Not sure how I'm sheepy when I'm the only one opposed to a Nacho lynch.

How was my read on you fake if it was gut townlean? Not sure what you're getting from that.

Bolded part will come into effect soon.

Im sheeping my town reads here.
VOTE: Kts

If Dwlee isn't sheeping, he isn't town.

@Vedith any comment on the nacho thing or on the other slots? What is your actual read on shadow?

Shadow I think is actually looking for scum. I don't think he is going into the right directions though.
Nacho I don't see as scum, I've only played a few games with him though so meta side I can't comment but it doesn't seem off, but I don't really see why others are voting him.
Out of the 3 leading wagons, KTS would be the best (Dragon lynch seems forced).

ASP on the other hand... Tries to make a wagon on me, fails and he gives up.
That's a scum tell in my book.

Jester I'm worried about, he's making it obvious that he wants to put no effort into the game. Personally I see this as a double bluff a roo McGee.

KTS is more fluff in game, a bit like Jester but looks a lot more fake and trying to hide it more.

Murdercat I'm not warming up to yet, didn't like the Nacho comment personal.

UNVOTE: ASP
This doesn't change my read on ASP

VOTE: KTS

This is a terrible post. All filler and no actual real content that helps anyone. Doesn't help that none of these reads feel genuine and instead made up on the spot.

The leniency on v/la probably means no replaces after all today and no extension which sucks. I was hoping for a deadline extension to then snowball into a few replaces and reboot the game tbh.

At this point I'm fine with either kts and now dragon wagon though ASP would still be better if people would ever see it (look at that entrance). Not a fan of bella either but meh.

Legitimately have a few things with KTS and now dragon but I want people to give their own reasons instead of repeating/paraphrasing what I say.

tf you're fine with a lynch on a V/LA person.

tfw

VOTE: KTS

To make things interesting..

tf make what interesting when I'm V/LA.

God damn, I'm vla and I'm the one being sheeped...

I THOUGHT YOU ASKED FOR A WAGON

YOU SCUMMY TOWN CREDIT MONGREL OF SOULS

[Killthestory]

And with that, I think Murder is town and that

VOTE: Hiplop

is scum

[Raskolnikov]

How do you comment on 10 other people but not on your vote?

[Nachomamma8]

would it be really bad if i said i'd rather just lynch dragon of the west?

[Raskolnikov]

Meh, on a basic level townreading nacho and then scumreading hip for the nacho jump (I guess) is okay even if I completely disagree.

At any rate dragon's play around this deadline ruined him for me.
VOTE: Dragon

[Nachomamma8]

apparently not!!

[Nachomamma8]

I'm confused by your point here. Are you saying that what murdercat did doesn't make sense for town!murder or scum!murder to do?

No.
You're arguing that Murder is scum with KTS.
Why does Murder decide to target KTS with a random wagon when there's a decent chance it will go through and then abandon it the second it gains momentum?

[Nachomamma8]

Rasko, if I die tonight, I need you and KTS to take up the plan mantle; I will probably have time to explain small things here and there before but I really think it's in town's best interest to have it in place. To answer a question that I left floating a little while earlier, I'm not sure where I fucked it up earlier but:

POSITIVE = Guilty for Cops, Gunsmiths, etc.
POSITIVE = Vanilla for Vanilla Cops/Rolecops?/etc

Make sense?

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Dragon of the West

[Nachomamma8]

how is ASP's entrance bad? It looks fine to me

Because he's voting Shadow Step, then likes where Shadow step is voting.
How does that look fine?

I think you can agree on a read with someone even when you're scumreading them. To discount whatever they say this early just because of your initial read on them would be dumb imo

So a large problem that I have with Dragon is his inability to produce content; this is around page 5, which means that it's not really completely unreasonable for him not to have produced anything significant so far but it still bothers me when coupled with the talk of apologies for not producing more; it means that he's aware of his lack of production and isn't actively working to fix it.

Murdercat is my strongest townread for his active hunting, questioning, and just play in general

I'm sort of surprised this Murder read died just because Murder was uncomfortable with people sheeping him.
Would like Dragon to talk about that Murder read a bit more.

I don't have any problem with the reasoning here from vedith, because the explanation itself is fine. What I do have a problem with the response itself. The question didn't seem like an attack onto vedith by shadowstep, but rather shadow pointing out inconsistencies in All in's judgement. That being said, vedith seems yucky

Shadowstep's argument was that All In was chainsawing Vedith by attacking him.

how is ASP's entrance bad? It looks fine to me

Because he's voting Shadow Step, then likes where Shadow step is voting.
How does that look fine?

I think you can agree on a read with someone even when you're scumreading them. To discount whatever they say this early just because of your initial read on them would be dumb imo

So a large problem that I have with Dragon is his inability to produce content; this is around page 5, which means that it's not really completely unreasonable for him not to have produced anything significant so far but it still bothers me when coupled with the talk of apologies for not producing more; it means that he's aware of his lack of production and isn't actively working to fix it.

Murdercat is my strongest townread for his active hunting, questioning, and just play in general

I'm sort of surprised this Murder read died just because Murder was uncomfortable with people sheeping him.
Would like Dragon to talk about that Murder read a bit more.

I don't have any problem with the reasoning here from vedith, because the explanation itself is fine. What I do have a problem with the response itself. The question didn't seem like an attack onto vedith by shadowstep, but rather shadow pointing out inconsistencies in All in's judgement. That being said, vedith seems yucky

Shadowstep's argument was that All In was chainsawing Vedith by attacking him, which is close enough to an attack on Vedith in my book.
Why did you think that Vedith seemed yucky here? Because he responded to something about him that wasn't an attack?

Overall nothing huge but seems like a fine vote to me.
Would also vote Shadowstep at this point for abandoning his tunnel so readily; also have a few problems with how he got there but will talk about that a little later.

[Killthestory]

Rasko, if I die tonight, I need you and KTS to take up the plan mantle; I will probably have time to explain small things here and there before but I really think it's in town's best interest to have it in place. To answer a question that I left floating a little while earlier, I'm not sure where I fucked it up earlier but:

POSITIVE = Guilty for Cops, Gunsmiths, etc.
POSITIVE = Vanilla for Vanilla Cops/Rolecops?/etc

Make sense?

Alright, hypoclaiming let's go bois

VOTE: Dragon

[Dwlee99]

actually regardless of kts flip that posting by murdercat was bad
VOTE: Murdercat
let's see the wagon speed of this *eyeroll*

What're your thoughts on KTS depending on murdercat flipping town/scum? I feel like if murder flipped scum it would point to KTS as a partner

KTS' alignment cant be determined from murdercat flip.
Murdercat's cold feet at the end of a wagon randomly like that is EXACTLY what scum me would be doing. See musical mafia where I get cold feet when Im about to lynch my partner after a ton of tunneling. See any of my scum games where I push a town lynch and then at the last minute have second thoughts and begin white knighting the person. Murdercat is scum, I know it. If I die, you lynch murdercat. Or, we could lynch murdercat right now. Either way we are lynching murdercat and if we dont Imma be so mad.

[Dwlee99]

The dragon wagon sucks, lynch murdercat.

[MURDERCAT]

Lol dwlee

You don't think it's reasonable to feel uncomfortable when a bunch of people sheep the wagon I start with out any thought? I thought I was a town read and that's why you steeped me but now you are scum reading me? Whatever I have a pretty strong town read on you.

[Killthestory]

actually regardless of kts flip that posting by murdercat was bad
VOTE: Murdercat
let's see the wagon speed of this *eyeroll*

What're your thoughts on KTS depending on murdercat flipping town/scum? I feel like if murder flipped scum it would point to KTS as a partner

KTS' alignment cant be determined from murdercat flip.
Murdercat's cold feet at the end of a wagon randomly like that is EXACTLY what scum me would be doing. See musical mafia where I get cold feet when Im about to lynch my partner after a ton of tunneling. See any of my scum games where I push a town lynch and then at the last minute have second thoughts and begin white knighting the person. Murdercat is scum, I know it. If I die, you lynch murdercat. Or, we could lynch murdercat right now. Either way we are lynching murdercat and if we dont Imma be so mad.

Are you playing the dangerous game of preflip associations?