Mini 1804: Poker Mafia (Game Over)

lane0168 · Post Post #1150 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:53 am

Why do scum all of a sudden care about pr's? The mm is alive because scum supposedly don't care about pr's. But now you can't believe they'd give 200 away?

lane0168 · Post Post #1151 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:54 am

Anyways. I need to move on. Sorry for keeping this on.

Infinity 324 · Post Post #1152 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:11 am

In post 1150, lane0168 wrote:Why do scum all of a sudden care about pr's? The mm is alive because scum supposedly don't care about pr's. But now you can't believe they'd give 200 away?

If you guys get your way and lynch mm, his PR won't matter.

farside22 · Post Post #1153 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:40 am

Listen, I get Infinity has this ideal and mm but I sometimes think if you have 4 players calling the guy scummy for various reasons then maybe hes wrong.
Sadly that has yet to dawn on him.

Infinity 324 · Post Post #1154 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:47 am

I can't count the number of times I was spectating a game and correctly identified a lynch wagon as town when everyone thought it was scum.

lane0168 · Post Post #1155 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:53 am

Have you ever opposed a wagon and been wrong?

Infinity 324 · Post Post #1156 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:21 am

Yeah I'm wrong sometimes, but rarely on noobs, and rarely on slots under pressure. I can't think of an example off the top of my head.

Just because 4 people say someone is scum for reasons that aren't scum tells in my experience doesn't mean shit.

lane0168 · Post Post #1157 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:53 am

How often to scum let power roles live? As a percentage best guess

Infinity 324 · Post Post #1158 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:56 am

That depends whether they can lynch the power role. Overall I'd say 25% of the time, but that's only because most PR's are not that hard to confirm and/or relatively strong. A 1-shot tracker who's mislynch bait is not going to be NKed.

Shadow_step · Post Post #1159 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:08 am

In post 1149, Infinity 324 wrote:I love how you're putting words I my mouth and still not giving a reads list after I asked for it multiple times. I never said you were scum, I said I thought you could be scum. Come on dude, play the game.

PRs are still PRs no matter what night they can get used on.

What makes you think I "could" be scum ?

I have a town lean on lane and farside is nullish town.
Scum lean on MM and RC.
FA is prob town to, but I can't really say.
It doesn't make sense for town FA to claim vig when he was no under pressure what so ever.
If scum have a roleblocker or jailkeeper or any such role which prevents FA from shooting they'll keep doing that to him to wifom us or just hope he shoots a town or just kill him off.
It also could be scum gambit between you and FA, something you planned at night to clear whoever comes out of that alive for the rest of the game.

You're nullish scum for me.

Smart and wingback are null.

ISO · Post Post #1160 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:38 am

Wingback is confirmed town.

Shadow_step · Post Post #1161 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:50 am

In post 1160, Something_Smart wrote:Wingback is confirmed town.

So you believe Infinity's claim ?

ISO · Post Post #1162 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:57 am

I don't believe he would be stupid enough to inno his partner.

Shadow_step · Post Post #1163 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:03 am

Wingback doesn't have to be his partner. Scum infinity can easily claim that he has an innocent on any player and in this case Wingback who has had a town read on him.
Infinity could just be pocketing Wingback .

The MM · Post Post #1164 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:05 am

You guys are just going to scumcall anyone who even has a hint of going to defend me, yeah, sure, stay there.

Also, how's the poker hand going?

Also, Fire Assassin's vig claim was probably just to

pressure

bully people and try to look like he keeps his head in the game. From the lack of reactions, it looks like it's working.

Shadow_step wrote:What makes you think I "could" be scum ?

I have a town lean on lane and farside is nullish town.
Scum lean on MM and RC.
FA is prob town to, but I can't really say.
It doesn't make sense for town FA to claim vig when he was no under pressure what so ever.
If scum have a roleblocker or jailkeeper or any such role which prevents FA from shooting they'll keep doing that to him to wifom us or just hope he shoots a town or just kill him off.
It also could be scum gambit between you and FA, something you planned at night to clear whoever comes out of that alive for the rest of the game.

You're nullish scum for me.

Smart and wingback are null.

Y'know, as long as you're not conftown, which you're obviously not, you could be scum. You've replaced into qubixes, who wasn't the most townread of people. My only conftown is myself, and so it is for everyone in the game but the scum.
The lack of pressure makes it a likely fakeclaim coming from scum (because who else has the ability to kill?) to me, but since Fire will not explain anything to me I really hope you can force answers out of him as to why he would do that.
Only setup speculation here but the roleblocker, yes, is likely to be scum imo, which makes my Tracker claim utter bait when I think about it.
Scum are either likely to kill me now because they're at risk of Tracker (they probably read the rules about that), or just to let you lynch me because people are on their way to lynch a Tracker.

Readslist:
Town:
- Infinity: I'm having doubts about that buddying, but at this level it doesn't look self-motivated. Scum would likely have cleared themselves out and let me die rather than defending me.
- Something_Smart: Just feels really thought-out townie to me, anything past 1107 that is.
Null:
- Shadow_step: Might be scummy, but so far he looks like he just cooperates whenever asked, with the little amount of twonish doubt.
- Wingback: Barely even in the game, so even if he's "conftown" I don't really care.
- lane: Reads VI all over to me, with scummy tendencies like bandwagoning on me, with Fire and farside completing the little dastardly party.
Scum:
- farside: The unexpected unconditional backing of Fire is buddying to fire, and so far people seem unsuspicious. The gratuitous extra insulting to me was probably done to cater to lane.
- Fire Assassin: I've spent days explaining why. From stalling scumhunting and that unprompted claim gambit, he's nearly overpinged my scumdar.

There might be 3 scum in the game and I might reverse a few of my reads of the second nightkill is on Fire.

Shadow_step · Post Post #1165 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:16 am

I'm not sure what is going on with the hand, can we get an update mod?

ISO · Post Post #1166 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:23 am

In post 1163, Shadow_step wrote:Wingback doesn't have to be his partner. Scum infinity can easily claim that he has an innocent on any player and in this case Wingback who has had a town read on him.
Infinity could just be pocketing Wingback .

Yes but in that scenario Wingback is still town.

My point is, Wingback is only NOT town if Infinity and Wingback are partners. Since I find that scenario very unlikely, we can assume that Wingback is town.

Shadow_step · Post Post #1167 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:27 am

In post 1166, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1163, Shadow_step wrote:Wingback doesn't have to be his partner. Scum infinity can easily claim that he has an innocent on any player and in this case Wingback who has had a town read on him.
Infinity could just be pocketing Wingback .
Yes but in that scenario Wingback is still town.

My point is, Wingback is only NOT town if Infinity and Wingback are partners. Since I find that scenario very unlikely, we can assume that Wingback is town.

Fair point, or Infinity could be telling the truth and Wingback could be a godfather.

Shadow_step · Post Post #1168 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:29 am

I'm not not mistaken I'm the only one left in the hand apart from MM so

Call $204

Infinity 324 · Post Post #1169 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:48 am

In post 1159, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 1149, Infinity 324 wrote:I love how you're putting words I my mouth and still not giving a reads list after I asked for it multiple times. I never said you were scum, I said I thought you could be scum. Come on dude, play the game.

PRs are still PRs no matter what night they can get used on.
What makes you think I "could" be scum ?

I have a town lean on lane and farside is nullish town.
Scum lean on MM and RC.
FA is prob town to, but I can't really say.
It doesn't make sense for town FA to claim vig when he was no under pressure what so ever.
If scum have a roleblocker or jailkeeper or any such role which prevents FA from shooting they'll keep doing that to him to wifom us or just hope he shoots a town or just kill him off.
It also could be scum gambit between you and FA, something you planned at night to clear whoever comes out of that alive for the rest of the game.

You're nullish scum for me.

Smart and wingback are null.

You could be scum mainly be PoE, I have a lot of town reads and a clear.

Explain reads on me and RC please.

Doesn't make sense for fire to claim there as town either...

I'm going to ISO RC again, I don't like how he popped I and said the game became "interesting" and then popped out.

Infinity 324 · Post Post #1170 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:48 am

Godfather is explicitly non-normal.

Shadow_step · Post Post #1171 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:54 am

In post 1170, Infinity 324 wrote:Godfather is explicitly non-normal.

Is it?
I've played on other sites and its used frequently. It isn't in the "bastard roles" in the mafwiki either so why is it non normal ?

The MM · Post Post #1172 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:01 am

I've seen it change positions pretty recently. It was normal when I first came, but I think it's been declared way too strong to be normal.

ISO · Post Post #1173 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:04 am

This isn't a normal game; however, a lot of mods and players hate godfathers and I personally don't think closed setups should include them.

Infinity 324 · Post Post #1174 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:09 am

Oh yeah I'm dumb

But smart is right, godfather is just really annoying

There's a list of all normal roles here

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

Can you explain your reads on RC and me please, I don't like having to repeat over and over to get people to do stuff. Thanks