New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[kraska77]

Look
If ure actually town
And we lynch you and then im vigged
then the most suspicious persons remaining in the game are gone, remaining town no longer havw to deal with zach or kraska shenanigans and can nail the remaining scum

[Zachstralkita]

I just took the L of the century tbh, I admit it

VOTE: Agar

No you FUCK.

Look
If ure actually town
And we lynch you and then im vigged
then the most suspicious persons remaining in the game are gone, remaining town no longer havw to deal with zach or kraska shenanigans and can nail the remaining scum

There is no Zach shenanigans because Zach is 143% town.

Dunn can waste his vig if he wants on me but there's no REAL reason to waste a lynch

I'm sticking pretty solidly with this one I don't want to change my mind and selfvote again DON'T MAKE ME DO IT IT'LL BE THE LAST TIME

[implosion]

I seriously do hope that AGar is scum though, if he is scum then my reads this game have probably been the best reads I've ever had in a game of mafia.

And I still do think that he is.

If it isn't him then I honestly don't know between kraska/zach/boem/whoever else. Like every single person other than AGar I feel like I still feel I have really good reason to townread.

[Zachstralkita]

dunnstral vig boem LOL

[kraska77]

Implosion what do u think of #5614

[kraska77]

It's so funny how I ended up defending agar lol

[Almost50]

Let me drop one of those moon logic assumptions of mine and leave it here: Why hasn't anybody thought of a possible Ninja? Is Ninja not normal? If it's normal, then doesn't it make sense with a motion detector in play? I mean, the Mafia had a Neapolitan who would've got 2 at least false positives on Macho roles. Why wouldn't the main investigative town role (albeit a weak investigative) have one to give the same? If they were Cop it'd have been GF instead.

Also, I'm not too sure a Doctor could exist with a JK I'd have to agree, and I have always assumed Varsoon was a mere named townie tbh, but I'm also playing a little selfish here. As long as the Doctor is alive (whether or not implosion IS a doctor) I should be OK, bc if he claims to protect me and I still get shot that would blow his cover if Scum, and I'm actually protected if he's a real Doctor.

kraska's play is townie of late, but I can't get over the "I'm not claiming or it will make my role useless" thing (paraphrasing).

Something does not compute right here, but I can't pin point it.

[Zachstralkita]

Let me drop one of those moon logic assumptions of mine and leave it here: Why hasn't anybody thought of a possible Ninja? Is Ninja not normal? If it's normal, then doesn't it make sense with a motion detector in play? I mean, the Mafia had a Neapolitan who would've got 2 at least false positives on Macho roles. Why wouldn't the main investigative town role (albeit a weak investigative) have one to give the same? If they were Cop it'd have been GF instead.

Also, I'm not too sure a Doctor could exist with a JK I'd have to agree, and I have always assumed Varsoon was a mere named townie tbh, but I'm also playing a little selfish here. As long as the Doctor is alive (whether or not implosion IS a doctor) I should be OK, bc if he claims to protect me and I still get shot that would blow his cover if Scum, and I'm actually protected if he's a real Doctor.

kraska's play is townie of late, but I can't get over the "I'm not claiming or it will make my role useless" thing (paraphrasing).

Something does not compute right here, but I can't pin point it.

I'm gonna solve this one right here.

VOTE: k77

[kraska77]

VOTE: kraska

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: kraska

You're psyching me out here. Please don't do that.


We can revert to the plan where I get lynched and Dunnstral vig shots you, if you'd like.

Without the whole lynching me part.

[kraska77]

I don't mind getting lynched, i understand why people find me suspicious so like if I need to go then whatever

[Dunnstral]

Also, I'm not too sure a Doctor could exist with a JK I'd have to agree

But peregrine flipped doctor and you claimed jk so...............?

[Dunnstral]

somebody case boem

[Zachstralkita]

You know what, I fucked up bad, okay?

But never as bad as this

[shannon]

Whatever let's just lynch zach. If he actually flips town, vig me during the night and you're left with all the people being town read so far
If zach flips town then shannon might be a good starting place to look into imo

This seems kind of ... out there?

Note: a50 claimed jailkeep targets on people who hadn't claimed. So if he were mafia fake claiming that he could be caught by someone saying 'no I wasn't roleblocked" so if he were mafia he'd be role cop or another roleblocker

This is interesting...

Varsoon was beeboy's first check
Just lynch zach lol, if he actually flips town then vig me because I know i look shady too and noone will trust me and then lynch shannon day 6

Why waste a lynch on someone who's not being suspected though? What happened to comparing all the claims and seeing who we have left? Or maybe that's the response you're hoping to get? IDK.

[implosion]

Sorry I missed that kraska:

I don't really see a casual vote on AGar as putting him in hot water. I can see it as distancing fairly easily. It's not like he was all-out assaulting AGar, or like he was putting him under a significant amount of pressure with his vote. He was at that point the only vote on AGar. That, to me, looks like he just didn't want to have to pick a side on the titus/vedith wagons, and so he went with a vote on AGar which I could easily see as either a vote to try to get another town wagon going, a vote to try to take the competing wagons as an opportunity to distance from AGar without a wagon forming on him, or him just voting AGar because he thought the vote would make himself look more town (the last of these being possible from either alignment).

So meh. It doesn't really make me feel one way or another. And I mean, consider that this was the height of the AGar wagon:

Titus (4): shannon, Lapsa, Varsoon, Wake88
Vedith (4): Transcend, AGar, Performer, PeregrineV
Wake88 (1): beeboy
beeboy (1): Boem_u_dusi
AGar (6): Airick10, Titus, Dunnstral, Almost50, podoboq, implosion
shannon (1): Vedith
Performer (1): Zachstralkita

Not Voting: Mirhawk

I know I'm town and I heavily suspect A50 is from his claim and Airick's flip. So Airick was probably the only scum on that wagon. With a 6-person wagon that looks, in this VC, IMO, pretty appealing to scum, I'd expect more scum to jump on it if it was on town. Vedith or Mirhawk could easily have jumped on the wagon (in fact mirhawk votes shannon 5 posts after this vc) and swung momentum onto the lynch that could have saved vedith, and doesn't come with the stigma of voting Titus if she flips town (I at least think that scum probably would have viewed it as a bit of an anathema to push the Titus wagon because of the nature of how the game would go after a mislynch on such active and controversial town). An AGar mislynch here would be an easy out for scum because he hadn't been very active so it would be a low-information mislynch in a situation where Vedith was under fire. But no one else went for it.

[implosion]

After voting AGar, Airick mostly parked his vote there, and only really said anything about AGar one more time in d1 (2426). So it's not like he was raking AGar over the coals.

[kraska77]

VOTE: agar although I don't feel good about this anymore

[GuyInFreezer]

I dunno why you say goodbye I say hello

vc 5.02

Dunnstral (1):

AGar

AGar (3):

implosion, Dunnstral, kraska77

Zachstralkita (1):

Varsoon

kraska77 (1):

Zachstralkita

Not Voting:

Boem_u_dusi, shannon, Transcend, Almost50

With

10

votes,

6

to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-08-05 12:22:57)

Rule are updated with normal guideline.

[Boem_u_dusi]

Hi everyone, I'm catching up.

The problem is, not many players make sense as scum especially from votecount perspective.

Almost50 voted Mirhawk and Airick10. He wasn't on Mirhawk D2 though and Mirhawk was a goner from the moment he slipped.
AGar voted Airick10 yesterday.
implosion was the first vote on Mirhawk on D2 if my notes are correct and lately he's been obvtowning a lot. Plus, he claimed nurse.
kraska77/Performer slot voted Vedith, Mirhawk, Airick10 and pressured Mirhawk D2.
Dunnstral really deserves a medal for his performance this game like he said.
Transcend is basically a mod-confirmed town PR?
shannon voted Vedith and Mirhawk, who voted her D1.
Varsoon voting patterns actually make sense from scum perspective - he voted Titus D1 and D2. He never ever voted scum if I remember correctly (I'm too lazy to check whether my notes are correct or not). His claim could have also been a try to save Mirhawk who claimed even-night doctor.
Zach voted Airick10 and Vedith and he's been towny to me the whole game.

I also don't make sense as mafia - I voted Vedith D1, pressured Mirhawk D2, suspected Mirhawk more than PeregrineV D2, voted Mirhawk D3, I was interrogating Airick10 and he was in my POE D4, would have probably voted him if you didn't hammer him while I was sleeping or something. Plus, I don't see myself even trying at this point as scum.

It's hard to come up with POE at this point but I'd guess it is something like AGar/maybe Varsoon? AGar is probably going today.

Based on claims, having 3 player doctor chain and a jailkeeper while mafia has jailkeeper of their own seems fishy to me so maybe we should take a closer look in that direction.

I'm thinking now Varsoon could be mafia rolecop who investigated implosion and found out implosion was nurse so it was safe for him to claim backup nurse.

I say we lynch AGar and shoot Varsoon or something like that.

[Varsoon]

Jesus fucking christ.
I couldn't have crumbed Nurse on my first post D1 if your suggestion is correct, because you're speculating I rolecoped implosion.

I say we don't shoot me because that's stupid.

[Dunnstral]

Varsoon is the cop inno ?

[Boem_u_dusi]

Maybe you got N0 check? Anyway, who are your top suspects Varsoon?

[Boem_u_dusi]

I'm probably tinfoiling at this point.

[Boem_u_dusi]

I've run out of ideas if AGar flips town and Almost50 is really town jailkeeper. Maybe shannon?