Mini 1804: Poker Mafia (Game Over)

Titus · Post Post #1650 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:37 am

Why did we have no one as BP? Are we concerned about vigs?

farside22 · Post Post #1651 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:33 am

In post 1650, Titus wrote:Why did we have no one as BP? Are we concerned about vigs?

Fire claimed 1 shot vig under no pressure and says he is saving the shot.
Also Infinity claimed odd night cop and I think we should give him the pot.

Titus · Post Post #1652 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:36 am

Why is Fire saving the shot? If Math is bad for the Gamestate, why not just have Fire shoot Zmath and treat today like a double lynch?

Infinity 324 · Post Post #1653 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:38 am

Fire is "saving the shot" because he's scum and he doesn't have one.

No one got a BP on d1 because we wanted to get a couple power roles going, I believe.

Fire Assassin · Post Post #1654 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:40 am

In post 1653, Infinity 324 wrote:Fire is "saving the shot" because he's scum and he doesn't have one.

No one got a BP on d1 because we wanted to get a couple power roles going, I believe.

1) Not scum and I do have one. You should honestly thank me for not shooting you.

2) We didn't do that at all actually, and I was the first one who said we should organize the poker to give powers to town and make sure most townread person got the BP, no one followed this plan. But I was first to suggest using it in that fashion, shockingly.

Titus · Post Post #1655 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:41 am

All the better to dictate his shot now then. If he's scum, it forces the scum to kill math and claim the scumkill vanished, which should then be exposed on massclaim. Otherwise, he has to claim it failed and forces scum to protect math or forces fire scum to argue they did.

Vigs should almost always done as dual lynch imo.

Fire Assassin · Post Post #1656 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:43 am

Infinity scumread on me makes no sense honestly.
He thinks:

1) I am scum
2) I am fake claiming vig.

When I claimed vig, why couldn't I just shoot him last night and say that was a vig kill rather than scum kill? It would be easy enough to do given I said I would shoot him. Then say "somehow no scum kill, don't know why".

Why would I not shoot him? If he is telling truth on his claim he can check another person tonight, and if he wins the poker I wouldn't be able to kill him as scum.

How does any of my plan make sense to this.

Fire Assassin · Post Post #1657 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:43 am

In post 1655, Titus wrote:All the better to dictate his shot now then. If he's scum, it forces the scum to kill math and claim the scumkill vanished, which should then be exposed on massclaim. Otherwise, he has to claim it failed and forces scum to protect math or forces fire scum to argue they did.

Vigs should almost always done as dual lynch imo.

I am not a day vig.
And I am not shooting math, we are lynching math.
And we already did mass claim.

Titus · Post Post #1658 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:44 am

In post 1657, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1655, Titus wrote:All the better to dictate his shot now then. If he's scum, it forces the scum to kill math and claim the scumkill vanished, which should then be exposed on massclaim. Otherwise, he has to claim it failed and forces scum to protect math or forces fire scum to argue they did.

Vigs should almost always done as dual lynch imo.
I am not a day vig.
And I am not shooting math, we are lynching math.
And we already did mass claim.

Why does it matter to you how math dies? Dead is dead.

Fire Assassin · Post Post #1659 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:45 am

In post 1658, Titus wrote:Why does it matter to you how math dies? Dead is dead.

Why does it matter to you either than? I can flip it on you too.

Fire Assassin · Post Post #1660 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:46 am

I believe everyone claimed VT but me and Infinity.
the game is 1 day shot vig and a odd night invest.

Given poker abilities, I guess this is balanced? Its very odd, but theres potentially about 3-4 other powers town could get, or scum.
So it can be swingy.

Fire Assassin · Post Post #1661 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:47 am

In post 1660, Fire Assassin wrote:I believe everyone claimed VT but me and Infinity.
the game is 1 shot vig and a odd night invest.

Given poker abilities, I guess this is balanced? Its very odd, but theres potentially about 3-4 other powers town could get, or scum.
So it can be swingy.

Corrected.

Infinity 324 · Post Post #1662 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:47 am

Speaking of massclaim, we just massclaimed and there are no PR's other than us two.

If you said the scum shot disappeared, no doctor would basically confirm you as scum.

I'd be fine with lynching shadow today and forcing fire to prove his shot again, but then he can just claim roleblocked...

Titus · Post Post #1663 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:47 am

In post 1659, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1658, Titus wrote:Why does it matter to you how math dies? Dead is dead.
Why does it matter to you either than? I can flip it on you too.

By using your shot as a dual lynch, town gets a second lynch. That matters plenty.

So why is Math being lynched worth sacrificing an extra lynch over?

Fire Assassin · Post Post #1664 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:48 am

In post 1663, Titus wrote:
In post 1659, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1658, Titus wrote:Why does it matter to you how math dies? Dead is dead.
Why does it matter to you either than? I can flip it on you too.
By using your shot as a dual lynch, town gets a second lynch. That matters plenty.

So why is Math being lynched worth sacrificing an extra lynch over?

Thats not how vigilantes work.

Titus · Post Post #1665 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:50 am

In post 1664, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1663, Titus wrote:
In post 1659, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1658, Titus wrote:Why does it matter to you how math dies? Dead is dead.
Why does it matter to you either than? I can flip it on you too.
By using your shot as a dual lynch, town gets a second lynch. That matters plenty.

So why is Math being lynched worth sacrificing an extra lynch over?
Thats not how vigilantes work.

They can if we as a town agree they do.

Fire Assassin · Post Post #1666 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:51 am

In post 1662, Infinity 324 wrote:Speaking of massclaim, we just massclaimed and there are no PR's other than us two.

If you said the scum shot disappeared, no doctor would basically confirm you as scum.

I'd be fine with lynching shadow today and forcing fire to prove his shot again, but then he can just claim roleblocked...

answer my previous post about why I didn't shoot you.
You claiming theres a doc in this is just making me question your judgement more.

Fire Assassin · Post Post #1667 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:52 am

In post 1665, Titus wrote:They can if we as a town agree they do.

I am not cooperating with the town. You can lynch me, but I am not following your rules.

Infinity 324 · Post Post #1668 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:53 am

If you said you shot me and there was no other scum kill, and no one claimed doc, that would be very suspicious.

Idk why you didn't NK me but I wasn't exactly conf town

Fire Assassin · Post Post #1669 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:54 am

Infinity, your argument makes no sense:
First you say I am scum who is faking vigi or something when I pointed out how easy it would be to shoot you regardless.
Second you don't consider why keeping you alive for this day is bad because I wouldn't be able to kill you as scum, and you would be able to get another results.
Third, you are bad.

Fire Assassin · Post Post #1670 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:56 am

In post 1668, Infinity 324 wrote:If you said you shot me and there was no other scum kill, and no one claimed doc, that would be very suspicious.

Idk why you didn't NK me but I wasn't exactly conf town

It would be suspicious but I could argue it being theres a hidden doc.
Or say that both me and scum killed a power role, which is likely possibility.

Like just because theres on kill doesn't mean it was only attacked once.

Fire Assassin · Post Post #1671 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:57 am

I really kind of don't want you to win the BP today, I want Titus too.
Because scum literally have to kill you tonight or it clears another player.
No other option, and it makes me certain avoids paranoia on my part about you.

Infinity 324 · Post Post #1672 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:59 am

Well first of all you said lane should get the BP not me which is suspicious in and of itself

And I feel you might have a strongman or smth by the way you kept pushing for the money-dumping plan

PEdit: yeah but it still looks pretty suspicious.

Fire Assassin · Post Post #1673 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:01 am

In post 1672, Infinity 324 wrote:Well first of all you said lane should get the BP not me which is suspicious in and of itself

And I feel you might have a strongman or smth by the way you kept pushing for the money-dumping plan

PEdit: yeah but it still looks pretty suspicious.

I have literally been pushing for money on anyone but me, how in the hell are you scumreading me for my money plan. When I have never once pushed the idea for me to get items or money.

You are beyond ridiculous.

I am not going to say I have been the most town person this whole game, but that plan alone was the most townie thing in this game, and to you too twist it to call it part of some masterplan is beyond me.

Fire Assassin · Post Post #1674 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:03 am

I want to form a list of people I call:
Scum or Stupid.