Mini Normal 1814 Machiavellian Mafia (Game Over)

[Nero Cain]

However, you are right that NEROCAIN's reads are

inconsistent

I'd ask you to show your work but I don't think you know what this means.

[iraonavp]

[Nero Cain]

Yeah, you clearly only came up with this now, or else you would've posted it earlier, if it was a real reason

bro I was talking about how scummy Elyse's mental gymnastics were yesterday and like...I couldn't comment on your Elyse read change before it happened so....

[Nero Cain]

Not voting (5) - Rosske,Comparing Realities,

Skold

,MariaR,BigYoshiFan

wake is so useless in this game even the mod forgot he was here. :/

[iraonavp]

Okay, well you're still scum-aligned.

[Nero Cain]

I love how I tear your arguments apart and then you still push on. Its very "little engine that could"

[MariaR]

I love how I tear your arguments apart and then you still push on. Its very "little engine that could"

So you scumread Ira for

Inconsistent reads and that he's all over the place

and you made a post a bit again saying hard town reading someone (like me gerry and Elyse were doing with Ira) is scummy

That's where I get iffy with you but I think you said "let's pretend that's what I said" So can you clear up to me what that post meant

[Nero Cain]

'm also aware that I could be wrong and the players that are really against your wagon (Maria, Gerry, Elyse)

could

easily be the scum we are looking for.

could

could

could

[Nero Cain]

and Maria this was our conversation on why I think Ira is scum, did you forget this already?

Maria explain how any of this stuff comes from town.

Basically what Nero Cain does is try and accuse Elyse and then votes other people off the assumption of them being partners, both of them do this and there is unfounded confidence from both of them.

I was scumreading you long before Elyse and all of my votes (MP, Rosske, DW) had like shit all to do with them being buddies with anyone. And as much as I dislike Elyse its not like her crusade against Map has anything to do with anyone being buddies with anyone. Its like you are posting and commenting on the game but the game you are commenting on isn't the game being played.

I understand if you had a big town read on IRA and said you didn't want to vote him but you don't so I'm not quite sure why you flat out refuse to do so.

This is not something that a town-aligned player says about me if they think I am scum-aligned.

rosske wagon is the best wagon

Why?

You're on the wagon... Why would you even ask this?

This seems like a scum-aligned thought process, because "wagon resistance" is usually scum-aligned logic to throw shade onto the wagon.

Yeah I find a lot of these posts slightly scummy or null but not every town has a perfect game of no scummy posts I feel like a lot of people who pushed on Ira in the first place have either subconsciously scumread everything Ira says or haven't looked at him as a whole

[iraonavp]

I love how I tear your arguments apart and then you still push on. Its very "little engine that could"

This implies that you think I'm town-aligned, you're literally gloating that my attempts to lynch you are ineffectual.

[Nero Cain]

lol no

[MariaR]

I would not like to lynch Nero ira or Elyse today pretty open to any other lynch but I think my pool of people I don't want to lynch are a lot of peoples top choice

[iraonavp]

Okay, I would also like to lynch Comparing Realities but I think that it will be harder to lynch them.

[gerryoat]

Okay, I would also like to lynch Comparing Realities but I think that it will be harder to lynch them.

please give me a reason to why you'd want to lynch them, because i see 0 reasons

[iraonavp]

So i really don't know where we go from here. I think i will go through with my thoughts.

BYF

is null. 309 "agreed" as a followed by a vote seems scum in tone. Some other posts seem scum in tone, but i do like his replies to Ira whose alignment he seems to flip on.

Doesn't mention "fellow townie" which is a bigger deal than "agreed".

BlackStar

i townread. His posts are genuine to me.

Wasn't Black trying to defend Map for awhile?

Comparing

lean-town for me. His long posts seem town.

How so?

DW

i think is lean-town. Lots of short posts, but i do agree about Ira...

Agreeing with someone does not make them town.

Elyes

i think is lean-scum. Too many of her posts are trying to create a wagon

(on me)

.

I agree.

gerryoat

is lean-town the vast majority off his posts are pro-town to me. Like myself he hasn't made "big" posts, so that is about it.

...

Iraon

i think is lean-scum. I am not going to make a case on him, but he flip-flops a ton from who he votes, and has made a case on really unimportant posts.

Maria

i null read. 562 sounds like a scummy attempt to make another wagon on me.

Last time you scumread Maria in your last readslist, but now she's done more of the same stuff you previously scumread her for and now she's null?

Nero

i think is lean-town. He has useful posts, and i agree with his cases on some players.

Some players such as Elyse.

Rosske

is null. The question is whether he is "town" who just got some slightly unfortunate posts or scum trying to get the wagon off. I can't make a conclusion on that.

Skold

i think is null. I need for posts from him to be certain of anything.

Zaps

posts doesn't seem like something a scum would post. I town read them.


I am going to VOTE: Iraonavp due to his inconsistensies.

This will bring him to L-1

I fail to see how they reached these conclusions, but, and I know this will drive you insane, but

scum doesn't act that way, not now and not ever.

I cannot envision a world where scum who just survived a major wagon scumreads you and null reads Maria even though you're both doing exactly the same things.
I am breaking every rule by saying this, but despite all logic,

Map simply cannot be scum because even scum doesn't do what Map does

.

I find this suspicious, I shouldn't have put you in town-aligned and I would swap your place to slightly scum-aligned now.

Your confidence sounds like you know that you are right because you're scum-aligned and that's why you are so insistent. This is really weak evidence otherwise and I don't think you would believe what you were saying if you were town-aligned. Also, you are basically just voting me and you don't really think I'm scum-aligned or interested in sorting me, just post a vote and leave.

I checked your previous games and I saw that you post a lot of content even if you are scum-aligned, that was why I thought you could be town-aligned initially because I didn't really read your posts.

I would prefer to keep the pressure on Ira all the way through the end of the day.

"Pressure" is not real, and this is just trying to keep the lynch on me until there is no opportunity to lynch anyone else in an indirect, scum-aligned way. There's no functional difference between saying "I'm scared that the wagon might move away and we lose our easy mislynch".

[Elyse]

Nero

So let's say we lynch Ira today and he flips town.

What is your read on me

[Nero Cain]

scum

[BigYoshiFan]

I love how I tear your arguments apart and then you still push on. Its very "little engine that could"

This implies that you think I'm town-aligned, you're literally gloating that my attempts to lynch you are ineffectual.

Uhmmmmm, no it doesn't.

[BigYoshiFan]

Ira, I would appreciate a post where you put your overall reads for every player, because currently I feel like your reads are spontaneous and/or poorly-reasoned.

[Elyse]

scum

So why did you start the day voting Ira if I'm scum regardless?

[MariaR]

Nero

So let's say we lynch Ira today and he flips town.

What is your read on me

one of the first BAD lines I've seen from Elyse this comment is like saying "I know this person is town so if I vote it and prove you wrong do. get town points"

I think nearly everyone but me has said that they sr her so it makes me hesitant to vote Elyse plus she had one of the if not the strongest early game

Thoughts on this post?

[Elyse]

I wasn't asking that to see how I could get town points from Nero. I don't care what his read on me is. I just care why.

It doesn't make sense to me how he can think I'm scum regardless of ira's flip (when my intentions regarding ira's wagon would be completely different if I was scum depending on his alignment) coupled with the fact that he started the day voting Ira.

[Zap Rowsdower]

I also think Rosske should probably full claim

I've been mulling this over. I think I agree that Rosske should claim.

We don't know what his PR is, and there are some conceivable circumstances where it would be bad for town for him to claim. But ultimately what I have to think about is the potential for damage in letting him keep it to himself. If he continues to live through night phases, we're going to have to seriously think about the possibility that he's scum. And if he

is

scum, letting him get away with a softclaim could become pretty bad for us. It essentially means he gets to fit his claim to whatever makes sense to town at the time, as opposed to forcing him to stick to a claim he'd have to have now.

[BigYoshiFan]

Perhaps he needs some incentive.
VOTE: rosske

[Rosske]

BigYoshiFan wants to lynch the towniest player in the game.

VOTE: BigYoshiFan

oops! I omgused!

Also, I'm not full claiming. I'm just consistently special