Mini 1813 - Overwatch Mafia! TOWN WINS

[Xkfyu]

Um guys?

I just finished reading D1.

Why is everyone so certain that Tracer is town?

[serrapaladin]

Well since DP has voted Genji, and Genji has claimed omnic, we should be getting confirmation of that ability with the next VC.

Also, I had a look at flavour-related stuff, and Zarya doesn't really like omnics, moreso than perhaps any other member of Overwatch, so the ability makes sense. If we get the voting confirmed, that means DP is likely actually Zarya, and then I don't think he would so obviously crumb his true role as scum in such a flavour-heavy game.

[serrapaladin]

That wasn't a response to the above, by the way.

@those that said they have a foxbird townread: why?

[Xkfyu]

That wasn't a response to the above, by the way.

Care to give your thoughts on the matter anyways?

[serrapaladin]

Finish your catch-up first, I think.

[Xkfyu]

Finish your catch-up first, I think.

I'd much prefer to hear people's thoughts as I'm reading D2.

[Xkfyu]

Well I'm done with my catch up, but I still don't see why Tracer is town.

I can think of a very plausible scenario in which she is scum. A town read goes to the first person that can tell me what that scenario is.

[serrapaladin]

I think she's probably town independent of vedith's alignment.

[Xkfyu]

I think she's probably town independent of vedith's alignment.

Why?

And what does Vedith have to do with anything?

[Randomnamechange]

Well I'm done with my catch up, but I still don't see why Tracer is town.

I can think of a very plausible scenario in which she is scum. A town read goes to the first person that can tell me what that scenario is.

She is scum 1 shot deathproof

[serrapaladin]

Ugh

[Xkfyu]

Well I'm done with my catch up, but I still don't see why Tracer is town.

I can think of a very plausible scenario in which she is scum. A town read goes to the first person that can tell me what that scenario is.

She is scum 1 shot deathproof

That's only part of it. Of course she's 1 shot deathproof. That much has been proven already.

Had she started out as a regular

Mafia

(or say a 3rd party) 1-Shot Deathproof though, she wouldn't have outed it so early, just for the town credits.

[Tracer]

Is the deathproof thing the only thing you are going to use to read me? Because if so, you're in for a lot of WIFOM.

[Shadow_step]

Well I'm done with my catch up, but I still don't see why Tracer is town.

I can think of a very plausible scenario in which she is scum. A town read goes to the first person that can tell me what that scenario is.

I think I know what you are thinking.

That Tracer gets converted to Mafia AFTER they get killed/lynch. Only she has been telling us exactly the opposite.

[Xkfyu]

Well I'm done with my catch up, but I still don't see why Tracer is town.

I can think of a very plausible scenario in which she is scum. A town read goes to the first person that can tell me what that scenario is.

I think I know what you are thinking.

That Tracer gets converted to Mafia AFTER they get killed/lynch. Only she has been telling us exactly the opposite.

Which would make her original role a what?

[Xkfyu]

Is the deathproof thing the only thing you are going to use to read me? Because if so, you're in for a lot of WIFOM.

Nope, but it's fine anyways. I LOVE WIFOM.

[Shadow_step]

It can have any flavour name, normally that's called a vampire I think.
They start as town and when they get killed they become mafia.

[Tracer]

Is the deathproof thing the only thing you are going to use to read me? Because if so, you're in for a lot of WIFOM.

Nope, but it's fine anyways. I LOVE WIFOM.

Unfortunately, not really. I could be trolling Judas for all we know.

[Shadow_step]

Turret is someone's ability. We're not sure which side - could be both scum or town, DP was the biggest wagon D1 (we lynched someone else because of mechanical reasons). See it as some kinda doublevoter or something that can't be changed, I guess?

Seriously, every time someone says that the double voter ability is scum. It pinges my scumdar, a scum double voter, and a hated player(me), do you understand how broken that is?

If the player can't move around the first vote on will, as in it starts at beginning of the day, it isn't as powerful as you may think.

Scum having 2 votes in lylo?

[Xkfyu]

It can have any flavour name, normally that's called a vampire I think.
They start as town and when they get killed they become mafia.

Nah, not quite, but you're on the right track.

Here try this real quick.

Which scenario do you find more plausible:
Scenario A: Tracer received a deathproof town role PM that outlined a town role, but also included a Mafia win condition just in case she was killed by Mafia. In which case, she turns into a Mafia Traitor.

or

Scenario B: Tracer's original role was actually a Mafia Traitor, with a Mafia win condition, knowing who the other Mafia members are (but they don't know who the traitor is), and she becomes a full-fledged Mafia member after her death.

[Xkfyu]

Ugh

Was this to me?

If so, it's not really a valid answer to my questions.

[Randomnamechange]

Well I'm done with my catch up, but I still don't see why Tracer is town.

I can think of a very plausible scenario in which she is scum. A town read goes to the first person that can tell me what that scenario is.

She is scum 1 shot deathproof

That's only part of it. Of course she's 1 shot deathproof. That much has been proven already.

Had she started out as a regular

Mafia

(or say a 3rd party) 1-Shot Deathproof though, she wouldn't have outed it so early, just for the town credits.

Unless she was trying to conf town herself.

I've been saying for ages that Tracer's claimed role is bastard

[Xkfyu]

Well I'm done with my catch up, but I still don't see why Tracer is town.

I can think of a very plausible scenario in which she is scum. A town read goes to the first person that can tell me what that scenario is.

She is scum 1 shot deathproof

That's only part of it. Of course she's 1 shot deathproof. That much has been proven already.

Had she started out as a regular

Mafia

(or say a 3rd party) 1-Shot Deathproof though, she wouldn't have outed it so early, just for the town credits.

Unless she was trying to conf town herself.

I've been saying for ages that Tracer's claimed role is bastard

I don't think the town credits would have been worth it. Not so early in the game.

[Xkfyu]

Well I'm done with my catch up, but I still don't see why Tracer is town.

I can think of a very plausible scenario in which she is scum. A town read goes to the first person that can tell me what that scenario is.

She is scum 1 shot deathproof

That's only part of it. Of course she's 1 shot deathproof. That much has been proven already.

Had she started out as a regular

Mafia

(or say a 3rd party) 1-Shot Deathproof though, she wouldn't have outed it so early, just for the town credits.

Unless she was trying to conf town herself.

I've been saying for ages that Tracer's claimed role is bastard

I don't think the town credits would have been worth it. Not so early in the game.

On second thought, I could see it maybe being worth it. Still a dangerous play, though.

[Randomnamechange]

Basically everyone outside of you me and Wake accepted it