Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

[Thor665]

@Thor Literally the only reason people are townreading him, or nullreading him at best, is because "he's a bad town." There's like nothing Phantom is doing that's town indicative. Scum with Karnos, I don't have anything on it.

@mh Nothing. Granted, Io brought up an interaction Phantom did with Karnos, but I don't find that strong enough to make that as a case by itself like she did. And there's like nothing in Phantom's interactions that will scream TvT, SvS, TvS and I assume it will stay that way.

So...it's a "boring, yeah!" case then?
Because you're not describing any actual scum activity here - you're just saying he doesn't look town, which, sure, I'll agree with you on, but...neither does KTL last I checked, so what's the big dif. in wanting to unvote KTS and push PC?

What are you up to? This looks like a strategic value call, not a town suspicion one.

I'm seriously pretty sure scum bussed for towncred or it's just Rosske.

can't see PC+Karnos!Scum based on how d1 unfolded.

If scum bussed...well, KTS voted Karnos, so...

What about KTS/Karnos precludes them as partners to your mind?

[Transcend]

KTS was the final blow to him aka Karnos had no more to do to defend himself once KTS voted. I'd like to think one of the people who placed bad votes on him is scum over him who just hammered him.

I do think Giga and Io were more justified in their votes than KTS fwiw.

[Blanche]

KTS's quickhammer, if scum, was actually very effective in its strategic purpose: i.e., make it more difficult to find Karnos's partner by shutting down any discussion this town could have had.

Luna or Smith getting ""towncred"" is not really that believable. Without their votes, the Karnos wagon probably would not have gone through, so I think a scum!Luna would have continued to push Phantom instead of move to Karnos. Smith was SR'ing Luna, so why not stick to that and try to buddy you?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

KTS's quickhammer, if scum, was actually very effective in its strategic purpose: i.e., make it more difficult to find Karnos's partner by shutting down any discussion this town could have had.

Luna or Smith getting ""towncred"" is not really that believable. Without their votes, the Karnos wagon probably would not have gone through, so I think a scum!Luna would have continued to push Phantom instead of move to Karnos. Smith was SR'ing Luna, so why not stick to that and try to buddy you?

alt slip, sorry

[Thor665]

KTS was the final blow to him aka Karnos had no more to do to defend himself once KTS voted. I'd like to think one of the people who placed bad votes on him is scum over him who just hammered him.

My read of that was KTSscum going 'aw jeez! I better get in this vote quick so I can get some town cred'
You'll note he hasn't supplied any info on his theoretical past lolhammer habits, right. Making this an unusual move for him. That doesn't suggest anything to you?

I do think Giga and Io were more justified in their votes than KTS fwiw.

Totally, that goes without saying.

[Transcend]

ALTSLIP

>:)

I don't really care what you have to say anymore. I feel I'm right and I trust my judgment more than yours. Apparently you feel the same way.

[Transcend]

If KTS flips scum you can all say that I'm the biggest idiot ever and I'll comply.

But I ain't feelin' it

I'm feelin' Luna Fox.

[Thor665]

Luna or Smith getting ""towncred"" is not really that believable. Without their votes, the Karnos wagon probably would not have gone through, so I think a scum!Luna would have continued to push Phantom instead of move to Karnos. Smith was SR'ing Luna, so why not stick to that and try to buddy you?

Luna was really the pressure shifter - if that's a bus I'm amazed. Her vote is the one that tipped Karnos from a big deal wagon to a wagon almost assured to go through. The only way I see her as scum is if she's bad at understanding how wagon momentum works.

I could see mhsmith's move as potential bus, it actually is sort of a classic bus timing and method, really. Why do you love it so much?

[Transcend]

I don't know if I'll be able to cope with life if luna fox flips scum, and survives like 5 mislynches after i nailed her instantly.

[Thor665]

The KTS iso as regards Karnos is pretty icky, by the by.
Calls him a townread early for no reason.
Confirms that read holds.
Then basically doesn't mention him at all until he "feels" like quickhammering.

Yeah.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

why would luna get off of phantom's wagon though...? you are not really explaining yourself because "towncred" is not enough of a reason to bus

day 1

unless your partner is completely indefensible (which karnos *was* until L-1)

I wouldn't say I

love

it but it felt natural to me because Kcda was scumreading Karnos (and saw a KTS/Karnos scumteam before anyone else called it) and I'm townreading Smith.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

the first paragraph is for transcendentalism, #2 is for thor

[Thor665]

I don't know if I'll be able to cope with life if luna fox flips scum, and survives like 5 mislynches after i nailed her instantly.

You'll probably deal with it the same way everyon ewho noticed how obv. scum Karnos was dealt with you repeatedly proclaiming him as town and trying to actively derail the wagon.

[Transcend]

Shut the fuck up. I don't give a fuck that karnos flipped scum. Kudos to him. He tricked me. Hats to him.

If luna flips scum i will be immensely furious if rope isn't around her neck by end game.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

(which karnos *was*

until

at L-1)

EBWOP

[Transcend]

Cursing again sorry.

[Thor665]

I wouldn't say I love it but it felt natural to me because Kcda was scumreading Karnos (and saw a KTS/Karnos scumteam before anyone else called it) and I'm townreading Smith.

I'll admit, Smith is assuredly doing/saying things to fill me with warm fuzzies.
I just don't think the vote itself screams town.

@Transcend - then learn another way to push a case? Because the way you do it clearly doesn't work.

[Transcend]

why would luna get off of phantom's wagon though...? you are not really explaining yourself because "towncred" is not enough of a reason to bus

day 1

unless your partner is completely indefensible (which karnos *was* until L-1)

I wouldn't say I

love

it but it felt natural to me because Kcda was scumreading Karnos (and saw a KTS/Karnos scumteam before anyone else called it) and I'm townreading Smith.

Because me, along with a few others started tring him and/or wanting different lynches. So his bw dissipated fast and didn't have enough momentum.

[Transcend]

My case is simplified. You guys aren't buying it, I'm not gonna waste my time and go full in depth when I'd still probably get laughed off.

Not happening.

[Transcend]

At this point I'm a dead man walking since i see myself getting policy lynched if the game isn't over soon so i might just start trolling the thread while prodging simultaneously.

[Thor665]

My case is simplified. You guys aren't buying it, I'm not gonna waste my time and go full in depth when I'd still probably get laughed off.

Not happening.

So...what are you doing here?
You don't think you have a case worth presenting, yet it's the only thing you seem to care to talk about.
I don't get it.

[Luna Fox]

This day phase feels like it's dragging, KTS should've been hammered pages ago, why does it always take forever to lynch scum u.u

[mhsmith0]

Fwiw, my current PoE is {kts, tenshii, transcend}. On the town side, I don't think I ever voting Thor this game, and I have others that I'm town reading too.

@transcend: if you're town, you should recognize that being wrong on karnos means that people are going to be less inclined to trust your reads, especially the first day after the scum flip. This is doubtless a frustrating experience (regardless of your alignment). But if you want to build up influence, why don't you take a strong stand on WHY you think kts is town? Not just "I have a better read" but, in a world in which Luna flips town, kts is town because _____? And for the record, "he lol hammered a wolf" is completely NAI. A lol hammerer type would easily hammer a wolf bro there. Karnos was never ever surviving the game; why stick your neck and out look odd by defending him in that spot as the final wolf?

[Rosske]

okay lets hammer kts

VOTE: Killthestory

[Io]

I'll be V/LA for a week starting tomorrow.
But honestly since you wont vote PC I'll just hammer Kill for the sake of moving this game on as clearly I'm doing nothing with my end.
VOTE: Kill