Mini 1815: Game of Thrones S1E1 GAME OVER

[KuroiXHF]

Kuroi youre making no sense. shaddow looked like scum who wanted to paint me as scummy.

I think you're just pushing me off to the side.

[Wisdom]

ok

[Dwlee99]

dwlee youre unreadable so when i have no scum reads i keep thinking i was right about you. And then you make me think youre town again.

fair enough

[KuroiXHF]

I think I should put up a reads list:

{Gorkington} - Either really good at flying under the radar or town
{mhsmith0} - Not 100% sure.
{Dwlee99} - I've been scum reading all game, but I really don't know how to take this post-possible-lynch talk. Frankly, I didn't like how I had to push Dwlee for a decent read and I'm pretty sure, knowing Radja, that he wouldn't take that coding error as a legitimate self-hammer.
{Wisdom} - I'm pretty certain in my theory regarding him killing Heartless and then vig killing Shaddowez, putting him in this awkward position. I honestly think he's playing everyone else too.

At this point, I'm more or less comfortable lynching Dwlee or Wisdom - and if this isn't lylo, I'm almost certain scum is in one of these two, which would be an assured town win. But we also have the full day phase to take advantage of, so we shouldn't be in any rush.

[KuroiXHF]

And to put this in perspective - Gorkington is lean town, Smith is null and Dwlee and Wisdom are probably living on the town line between lean scum and scum.

[Wisdom]

if you have smith as null how are you certain about me/dwlee being safe

[KuroiXHF]

if you have smith as null how are you certain about me/dwlee being safe

Safe as in what? You mean safe to assume you're scum?

[Wisdom]

safe to lynch to win

[KuroiXHF]

I used the term "almost certain" as in I don't know but I'm not going to fight my intuition.

[Wisdom]

k fair enough

[Dwlee99]

i think it is smith

[Wisdom]

me too

[mhsmith0]

Btw, wrt interactions as a tell, look at that double iOS of flipped wolves I linked earlier. Here are their interactions:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8150858 random talking to bbt about dwlee

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8154134 And surrounding, where there's a three-way conversation involving wisdom where wisdom "convinces" bbt to unvote dwlee.

Random and bbt had virtually zero direct interactions during the two game days together. Every conversation they had together involved dwlee. And neither of them seemed much interested in engaging with or discussing Kuroi.

[mhsmith0]

For another, I get the feeling that this Gork thing is just a distraction that Wis is pushing. It came out of nowhere and it was while the shadow wagon had solid backing so I'm not sure why Wisdom would gut the wagon he was ostensibly so sure about to chase this.

If shadow was scum this would look bad for wisdom. Given that shadow was town, though, why does wisdom bother doing this if he's a wolf?

[Gorkington]

how do you feel about basically everyone but kuroi condensing on suspicion on you?
D:

[mhsmith0]

Well, dwlee thinks I'm the wolf due to Vca, you and wisdom think it due to ????? And Kuroi thinks it's wisdom or dwlee. So I guess you/wisdom could talk about why you think it's me?

[Gorkington]

just feels kind of more like youre talking at us than genuinely reacting to things.
could be that youre an overly logical player and dont do the whole reaction thing very well.

i kind of tried to engage you on the amount of interactions thing and you just kind of slid past it and then still kind of held it up as reasoning?
if you think its a reasonable point, why not tell me why im wrong.
why does scum not fake interactions with their scummates?
is that not a common thing youve experienced? especially with people who are experienced with the game?

[mhsmith0]

I mean as far as my feelings go, im kinda proud of never getting mislynches, so it's a bit annoying, but I also recognize I haven't played great so *shrugs*. I'm also kinda curious who really thinks it's me as who is just coasting along for the ride.

[Gorkington]

i was worried for a bit that this was going to be my first mislynch on this account.
but apparently people are reading me correctly in spite of me being absolutely terrible this game?
honestly, i dont really get it.
and i kind of feel weird talking about it because i feel like im tempting people resorting me, but im thinking about it a lot and its kind of hard to not want to get it off my chest.

basically, if you are town then i understand the annoyance/anxiety from feeling mislynchable.
if youre scum then how dare you try to make me sympathize with you D:

anyway.

if you could talk at me about the number of interactions thing thatd be nifty.

[KuroiXHF]

I mean as far as my feelings go, im kinda proud of never getting mislynches, so it's a bit annoying, but I also recognize I haven't played great so *shrugs*. I'm also kinda curious who really thinks it's me as who is just coasting along for the ride.

So you're my complete opposite. I get mislynched all the fucking time.

[KuroiXHF]

If I get my research paper finished tomorrow, I'll try to get a deep game-read done, but it's most likely going to be Wednesday or Thursday.

[mhsmith0]

just feels kind of more like youre talking at us than genuinely reacting to things.
could be that youre an overly logical player and dont do the whole reaction thing very well.

i kind of tried to engage you on the amount of interactions thing and you just kind of slid past it and then still kind of held it up as reasoning?
if you think its a reasonable point, why not tell me why im wrong.
why does scum not fake interactions with their scummates?
is that not a common thing youve experienced? especially with people who are experienced with the game?

So I generally see wolves not really interact all that much. They may talk ABOUT each other but it's harder to talk TO each other in thread. And I think you can see it in this game as well; bbt and random don't really converse for the most part, even though they're both talking quite a bit with other players.

Part of that, I think, is that there's a concern that interactions will come across as fake, and part of it is that they simply have no real interest/curiosity in what the other is saying. It's harder to fake curiosity towards your teammates (who you know their alignment and don't want lynched) than it is random townies (who at least you want to find ways to make look scummy).

Wrt my emotions, I tend to be a somewhat logical player, but I do sometimes show emotion. In this game, not really, town is doing fine, even if I die odds are still solid of a win. So what is there to be frustrated or upset about? I can get frustrated if I'm being ignored, if Im stuck with a lazy/crappy town, etc. here, not so much. I've also played kind of crappy in this game, and anti will probably be mad at me again for it, but so be it.

[KuroiXHF]

Anti? Are you a hydra or is there something I'm missing?

[Gorkington]

i mean.
i more get the sensation of feeling like im not interacting enough with scummates when i ignore them for too long.
i would think soft shitty interactions with scum are more likely to come from scum than complete outright avoidance.

p-edit: kuroi >.>
sometimes you push this ignorance thing like a step too far and i just feel bewildered by it.
anti is half of heartless..

[mhsmith0]

Anti/tth are heartless. Anti/plot was a hydra in the last full game we played together, he got annoyed at me for playing badly there.