Open 651: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[light_ganski]

Oh yh it's 2. Of course scum can't count

[Lycanfire]

Oh yh it's 2. Of course scum can't count

scum can't count when they're trying hard to look like they can't count. VOTE: light_ganski

[Lycanfire]

game solved i'm going to sleep

[light_ganski]

Oh yh it's 2. Of course scum can't count

scum can't count when they're trying hard to look like they can't count. VOTE: light_ganski

Who tries hard to look like a 1st grader

[Vedith]

game solved i'm going to sleep

Aren't you a detective and a half!
I guess we can sit back and watch an easy game.

[lilith2013]

Votecount 1.002

Stop stealing my pagetops! You're making me look bad.

kyndy101 [2]

Vedith, Sir Bastion

Vedith [2]

kyndy101, light_ganski

shaddowez [1]

shaddowez

Hebee Inc [1]

Raskolnikov

Lycanfire [1]

SoraAdvent

light_ganski [2]

superbowl9, Lycanfire

SoraAdvent [1]

NJAC

Not Voting [2]

Hebee Inc, HighHopes

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2016-08-22 01:30:00)

pagetop count: light_ganski 2 | shaddowez 1 | kyndy101 1

[light_ganski]

Imo lycanfire could be opportunistic scum here...

[Vedith]

Imo lycanfire could be opportunistic scum here...

Probably not.
Just looks to be searching for a reaction.
Reactions mean nothing these days, so it's just a waste of time, but normally a townier tell than scum if it's not a "I was looking for a reaction, town read me" kind of way.

[light_ganski]

hmm

[SoraAdvent]

Gonna make a longer post in a little bit - meanwhile, my timezone is GMT+8, and I won't be posting from about 12am-8am

[Sir Bastion]

@Sir Bastion - I'm UK time as well usually, but European time (+2) for the next week

The only posts I didnt like were Kyndy101's posts here

I don't see the problem here?

I'm actually scum reading Vedith as well

Answering for another players is not a pro town action in my opinion and experience. It goes against scumhunting and its a form of info instead of pushing.

At its most harmless it denies us to see a genuine response from the original player, essentially spoiling another player's case (even in its most minor of examples) and letting a player brush of potential issues by just chirping back the same response.

At its worse it is very much an action that makes the most sense with scum motivation, only scum know who is genuinely town and who's not and are more able and willing to step into the defence of one town player from another town player building a trust that they can potentially exploit.

Town players should never answer for another town player. If you think its town vs town then:





@Vedith do you get spooked easily?

[NJAC]

I'm GMT-5 (basically EST, IIRC). I'll probably post during mornings and maybe afternoons, depending on the amount of work I have to do in the office. I won't post much on weekends.

I'm actually scum reading Vedith as well

Why exactly is that?

[Vedith]

@Vedith do you get spooked easily?

It appears so!

[NJAC]

If anyone wants to know that doesn't see Vedith being scummy, I'll make a solid case perhaps tomorrow morning.

I want to know.

[SoraAdvent]

Sora

- What sort of intentions do you have during RVS?

My initial intentions during RVS are just that: to vote completely randomly. Then, if I see any wagon developing or any particularly interesting thing, I'll place my votes differently, which brings us on nicely to how the game has developed so far.

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So, these are initial reads on the people who I think are the most striking so far, based on what I've seen - these are by no means accurate at all, but are just general impressions.

Quick reads
NJAC - Initial post shows signs of cluelessness. I’m inclined to read the vote on shadow more as town than as scum, because imo scum wouldn’t want to portray themselves as obviously clueless (this is fairly weak reasoning though, criticize me on that). Trying to bring up the point about the scumteam and what they did, is something that seems to be leaning townish as well - that he’s actually trying to actually do something within the game right now, instead of being passive (even though I definitely do not like the idea in the first place) I do not like, however, how quickly he moved to following the Innocent Child’s vote as soon as he realised he was the IC. I can see that he’d want to ‘make things happen’, using my previous line of logic, but it also seems to me that he’s trying to get on the IC’s good side, if only a little bit. Current read right now right now is null with a very slight lean towards town, as I can concede there are good reasons for following the IC in the RVS.

Vedith - I suppose the most notable things about Vedith are twofold. One, his reaction towards the scumteam suggestion NJAC put out, and two, his response. I like the way that Vedith's acted so far, as he's definitely showing a willingness to contribute though he admits that the overall aim of the discussion was pointless - it definitely seems to be a town-oriented mindset. However, his reactions towards kyndy101 and the other voters seem to be a little bit of an overreaction considering the relative lack of pressure on him. In that sense, then, I agree with Lycan's assessment that he's being over-defensive. What's more, he doesn't seem to be doing scumhunting on his own later on, which leads me to consider that he was participating in discussion for the sake of taking part in discussion. He also seems to have a few relatively useless posts that I'm not a fan of. They seem to be aimed at diffusing the tension while not contributing much at all - which is something I definitely don't like. Overall, though, I'm going to keep an eye on him and completely understand why people would vote against him.

Kyndy101 - I actually both agree and disagree with Sir Bastion that the random RVS unvote is somewhat suspicious. The unvote itself shows a little bit of passivity that I think is a bit more mafia-ish than town-ish, a little reticence and hesitation. However, I can also understand that the vote itself was made a little quickly to begin with, as the fact that superbowl was a goon did slip my mind as well - while I definitely don’t agree with the reasoning of retracting an RVS vote based on chance, it’s understandable. The Vedith vote is also fine in terms of getting things going (again, it’s possibly? still RVS, so I guess it’s acceptable), and she did say she’s going to make a case against Vedith tomorrow, which I’d love to see before passing further judgement. This post here is probably the most damning piece of evidence on what would otherwise be a null read, at least in my eyes. It seems to be a little bit reactionary and is more defensive than anything else in defending herself so avidly in response to a very small wagon. There is some slight nervousness here that's slightly suspicious, but again I'll hold off on further suspicion until the post explaining the Vedith vote is explained.

Seeing this, I'll UNVOTE: Lycanfire and VOTE: kyndy101, at least until kyndy101 makes her next post.
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Quick edit: Completely agree with Sir Bastion on the point about answering another's question - but again, I'm waiting to see kyndy's rationale on the Vedith vote before pressing further

[Vedith]

I want to know.

She said tomorrow morning.
Regardless, we should focus on finding my buddy(s) atm.

As it stands

NJAC
Lycanfire
shaddowez

Are not my buddies.

That narrows it down pretty well.

[Sir Bastion]

you dont get spooked by your buddies right?

[Sir Bastion]

No wait I have that the wrong way round dont I?

[Vedith]

Quick edit: Completely agree with Sir Bastion on the point about answering another's question - but again, I'm waiting to see kyndy's rationale on the Vedith vote before pressing further

Not sure I agree with the Kyndy vote for 2 reasons
1 -

I'll have to carry on with this later - Swampped at work.

[NJAC]

@Sora:

I agree with what you said about Vedith. I'm also not a fan of his recent posts.

However Kindy is more in the townie side of null for me, but I'll let her defend herself.

[NJAC]

Regardless, we should focus on finding my buddy(s) atm.

As it stands

NJAC
Lycanfire
shaddowez

Are not my buddies.

That narrows it down pretty well.

So, we are the Town-Team. Why is Lycan listed with us?

[light_ganski]

Town players should never answer for another town player. If you think its town vs town then:

Sorry, still not very experienced here. Won't do it again

[NJAC]

Open 501 featured no powers chosen but scum were mistakenly told the identity of the traitor.. I think the town was given a vig in compensation... Who proceeded to shoot town every night.

But the Vig was not for compensation. We as town have two PRs from the start. In that game Vig and BG were randomly chosen from the start. The scumteam won, BTW.

What was your point in mentioning that game?

[light_ganski]

I'm actually scum reading Vedith as well

Why exactly is that?

55 really gets me the wrong way if you consider that just before it we were discussing how NJAC wasn't confirmable town

[NJAC]

Please elaborate. I don't see anything wrong with 55.