Wake's Massive Role Madness - Game Over

[Parama]

iraon:

please start considering things from other peoples' point of view. sure, it makes no sense from your point of view, but it makes sense from the point of view of the other 36 living players.

[Cookie Bakers]

@Dunn, talk to me on CCC

His VT stances yesterday were terrible.

[Parama]

also:

VOTE: CCC

cookie made me a promise. boring needs to die asap too.

[Skelda]

If you get VT, then Neapolitan is useful because it could be used to confirm DGB and Long_Island_Medium as Town and a No Result would tell you virtually nothing.

Vanilla Cop is more useful because I think its optimal use is to catch Goons. Neapoliton can't catch Goons, so it is best used to confirm Town.

[MathBlade]

Okay, first of all in that game I was being deliberately quiet because I was bodyguard.

It's role madness?
Even for BODYGUARD you were careful

So why not this game?

-Dunn

Because I am just vanilla ("Citizen") in this game.

Here. This. Unprovoked claimage. No idea if in danger of NK or not so claiming to avoid NK is bullshit.

Iroanavp needs to be lynched.

Kinda have to agree with math here. I personally believe Ira is scum, Titus thinks he might have just made horrible choices

No, I'm town-aligned!

Mathblade is purely saying I am scum-aligned because I rolled neapolitan, it makes zero sense...

He always tunnels me for no reason as well...

I am saying you are scum aligned because you lied, deceived town, and then lied about why you lied about your claim because it was unprovoked.

Furthermore in that game I had reasons for why I voted you. I never do a naked vote. I may not explain myself well but I always explain myself.

I do not vote because of a claim. I vote based on how a player claims and if there is contradictory evidence of that claim or evidence that supports it.

[MathBlade]

also:

VOTE: CCC

cookie made me a promise. boring needs to die asap too.

...This is terribad.

Iroanavp needs lynching. And how the hell did Cookie make you a promise? And why the hell would you listen to a promise agreement from one of the scummiest players in the game?

[Skelda]

Okay, first of all in that game I was being deliberately quiet because I was bodyguard.

It's role madness?
Even for BODYGUARD you were careful

So why not this game?

-Dunn

Because I am just vanilla ("Citizen") in this game.

Here. This. Unprovoked claimage. No idea if in danger of NK or not so claiming to avoid NK is bullshit.

Iroanavp needs to be lynched.

What?

I thought I would be killed if I claimed my real role...

Why did you have to claim at all?

[iraonavp]

iraon:

please start considering things from other peoples' point of view. sure, it makes no sense from your point of view, but it makes sense from the point of view of the other 36 living players.

What are you talking about?

I consider things from other people's points of view, but almost invariably I am right otherwise I would change to have their opinion...

[iraonavp]

Okay, first of all in that game I was being deliberately quiet because I was bodyguard.

It's role madness?
Even for BODYGUARD you were careful

So why not this game?

-Dunn

Because I am just vanilla ("Citizen") in this game.

Here. This. Unprovoked claimage. No idea if in danger of NK or not so claiming to avoid NK is bullshit.

Iroanavp needs to be lynched.

What?

I thought I would be killed if I claimed my real role...

Why did you have to claim at all?

So that I didn't get killed...

[Parama]

also:

VOTE: CCC

cookie made me a promise. boring needs to die asap too.

...This is terribad.

Iroanavp needs lynching. And how the hell did Cookie make you a promise? And why the hell would you listen to a promise agreement from one of the scummiest players in the game?

where is cookie one of the scummiest players in the game?

how is ccc not being a completely and total hypocrite not scummy?

[MathBlade]

Okay, first of all in that game I was being deliberately quiet because I was bodyguard.

It's role madness?
Even for BODYGUARD you were careful

So why not this game?

-Dunn

Because I am just vanilla ("Citizen") in this game.

Here. This. Unprovoked claimage. No idea if in danger of NK or not so claiming to avoid NK is bullshit.

Iroanavp needs to be lynched.

What?

I thought I would be killed if I claimed my real role...

Why did you have to claim at all?

So that I didn't get killed...

It was less than a 1000 posts in. There was no danger of death yet. Flail harder.

[Parama]

wow i botched that last sentence.

how is ccc being a complete and total hypocrite not scummy?

[iraonavp]

If you get VT, then Neapolitan is useful because it could be used to confirm DGB and Long_Island_Medium as Town and a No Result would tell you virtually nothing.

Vanilla Cop is more useful because I think its optimal use is to catch Goons. Neapoliton can't catch Goons, so it is best used to confirm Town.

Okay, well those two players I already thought are town-aligned, so it doesn't in this case even though you are being theoretical about it...

[iraonavp]

Okay, first of all in that game I was being deliberately quiet because I was bodyguard.

It's role madness?
Even for BODYGUARD you were careful

So why not this game?

-Dunn

Because I am just vanilla ("Citizen") in this game.

Here. This. Unprovoked claimage. No idea if in danger of NK or not so claiming to avoid NK is bullshit.

Iroanavp needs to be lynched.

What?

I thought I would be killed if I claimed my real role...

Why did you have to claim at all?

So that I didn't get killed...

It was less than a 1000 posts in. There was no danger of death yet. Flail harder.

Well, there would be danger of death in the night phase is obviously what I meant...

[Cookie Bakers]

iraon:

please start considering things from other peoples' point of view. sure, it makes no sense from your point of view, but it makes sense from the point of view of the other 36 living players.

What are you talking about?

I consider things from other people's points of view, but almost invariably I am right otherwise I would change to have their opinion...

[Cookie Bakers]

ira, just sheep me?

[Parama]

@iraon:

please stop being so self-centered.

[MathBlade]

also:

VOTE: CCC

cookie made me a promise. boring needs to die asap too.

...This is terribad.

Iroanavp needs lynching. And how the hell did Cookie make you a promise? And why the hell would you listen to a promise agreement from one of the scummiest players in the game?

where is cookie one of the scummiest players in the game?

how is ccc not being a completely and total hypocrite not scummy?

Explain their hypocrisy like I am two. Because I don't see it.

The post I linked for starters. The blatant contradiction in terms of Iroanavp's claim. At first they didn't believe it and called them scum. Now when confronted with evidence their initial post is right they say Iroanavp is town. The most likely scenario is Cookie Butters and Iroanavp are aligned.

[Bacde]

vote iraonavp

[iraonavp]

Okay, first of all in that game I was being deliberately quiet because I was bodyguard.

It's role madness?
Even for BODYGUARD you were careful

So why not this game?

-Dunn

Because I am just vanilla ("Citizen") in this game.

Here. This. Unprovoked claimage. No idea if in danger of NK or not so claiming to avoid NK is bullshit.

Iroanavp needs to be lynched.

Kinda have to agree with math here. I personally believe Ira is scum, Titus thinks he might have just made horrible choices

No, I'm town-aligned!

Mathblade is purely saying I am scum-aligned because I rolled neapolitan, it makes zero sense...

He always tunnels me for no reason as well...

I am saying you are scum aligned because you lied, deceived town, and then lied about why you lied about your claim because it was unprovoked.

Furthermore in that game I had reasons for why I voted you. I never do a naked vote. I may not explain myself well but I always explain myself.

I do not vote because of a claim. I vote based on how a player claims and if there is contradictory evidence of that claim or evidence that supports it.

Yeah, well that is a silly and policy lynch reason to vote someone...

I lied about my claim to ultimately promote a town-aligned agenda, surely you can see that! This is so short-sighted, and I can't tell if it's deliberate or not considering how you tunneled me similarly baselessly last time I played with you...

The main reason you were pushing and deliberately neglect to mention here is that somehow masons mean neapolitan is automatically scum-aligned, even though this is proven false.

[VA-11 Hall-A]

iraon:

please start considering things from other peoples' point of view. sure, it makes no sense from your point of view, but it makes sense from the point of view of the other 36 living players.

What are you talking about?

I consider things from other people's points of view, but almost invariably I am right otherwise I would change to have their opinion...

Dude, this is why they all want to lynch you.

It's actually not, but it's really not helping.

WHITEKNIGHT: IRAONAVP

Okay you guys can try but it's not going to happen, like it's probably physically impossible for you to achieve that lynch at this point

- Zach

vote iraonavp

lynch this

[Parama]

If we assume that there is only one VT, then two of {DGN, Iraonavp, long_island_medium} must be scum. Cookie Bakers is still suspicious, but has nowhere near two-thirds odds of scummishness.

So.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

okay, i figured out why ccc is being suspected?

i was originally going to brush it off as multiball but no. i get it.

1. first, thought that cookie saying there could only be 1 VT was scummy
2. second, changes his mind and tries to push that there could only be 1 VT but then still goes "cookie is suspicious" and the only reason he's given for that is the thing about VTs in the first place

am i getting this right? because, yeah, that's scum if i'm understanding everything correctly

gosh, i wish boring was posting more so everyone could notice the scum more

[iraonavp]

ira, just sheep me?

Okay.

VOTE: CCC

[iraonavp]

vote iraonavp

Okay, you have to talk more now because I expect that you are unable to talk as incessantly if you are scum-aligned.

[Shaziro]

Iraon lied about his role for no reason other than to "Stay alive" by his own admission. That's a scummy mindset to begin with. He wasn't asked for a roleclaim, nobody expected it, people got annoyed when he -did- claim. And then he let the town go chasing after their own damn tails trying to figure out who was lying about their VT claim when he knew the whole time it was him. How the hell does that benefit town in any way? Then, he's arguing that finding out that I'm not a VT means I'm scum. Ignoring the fact that I specifically said I would be getting information -on him- to -sort out this VT shit-, he's trying to argue that I just got lucky that he checked me. If I had that kind of premonition, I'd be playing the damn powerball, not Mafia. But he still wants to push me as scum, because he's been caught.

So far, we've got him lying for no good reason, doing things to keep himself alive rather than benefit town, contradicting himself with the "I didn't know it was Role Madness" DESPITE THAT BEING IN THE NAME OF THE GAME, AND THERE BEING ACTIVE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF VTS IN A ROLE MADNESS GAME, WITH SEVERAL LINKS TO "ROLE MADNESS" ON THE FUCKING WIKI, letting town sit there in a death spiral about who the fuck was lying about a VT which is -actively harmful- to town, and all he has to say other than that is "but I'm town guys, for reals".

Lynch. This. Shit.