Wake's Massive Role Madness - Game Over

[MathBlade]

Shit it didn't save hang on. Just a sec

[MathBlade]

	Player Name	Important Info	Role	Alive or Dead
1	Creature
2	TownBlock (Dwlee99 / Murdercat / McMenno)		Claimed roleblocked valhalla
3	DrippingGoofball		Claimed VT, Claimed One Shot BP after Neo
4	PeregrineV
5	Blackstar		Friendly Neighbor	Dead
6	VA-11 Hall-A (Dunnstral / Zachstralkita)
7	serrapaladin		Claimed VT, iroanavp currently claiming serrapaladin is lying
8	Skybird
9	hebichan
10	Narna
11	Varsoon		Claimed one shot Neo, somehow checks twice
12	Egg		RBs Valhalla << Sketchiness here for other reasons
13	Blanche (gigabyteTroubadour / kraska77)		Jailkeeper/Neighbor	Dead
14	Aeronaut *
15	Elitism (Transcend / MariaR / gerryoat)
16	boring
17	amalgam (davesaz / Yume / randomidget)		Claimed Mason
18	RachMarie		Claimed Mason
19	Fire Assassin		Ascetic Citizen/Neighbor	Dead
20	Seraphim
21	Bacde		JOAT[Watcher/Follower/Neapolitan/Commuter/Doctor/Roleblocker]	Dead
22	Drixx
23	CCC		2 shot voyeur	Dead
24	iraonavp		Claimed VT, Claimed Neopolitan when pressured
25	Comparing Realities Accountant		JOAT[Cop/Watcher/Doctor/Motion Detector/Neapolitan/Jailkeeper]	Dead
26	Elyse
27	Cookie Bakers (Titus / Shiro)		Claimed Gunsmith
28	KlingonCelt		Claimed Mason
29	Map Wolf BBMolla
30	Lapsa
31	Foxbird		Voyeur/Neighbor	Dead
32	shos		Motion Detector/Neighbor	Dead
33	Boem_u_dusi		Claims Town PR, crumbs lover, crumbs cop, claims watcher, gets results cooberated by Egg << Sketchiness here
34	Almost50
35	Skelda
36	Hot Chocolate		One Shot Bulletproof	Dead
37	long_island_medium
38	Bellaphant *
39	Thor665 AlpacaAlpaca
40	Shaziro
41	Parama		Bodyguard/Neighbor	Dead
42	Mathblade		"Wait so Derek Jeter is famous and he didn't take steroids, or beat or murder his girlfriend or wife? I'm not sure I understand. " -- Warren Holstein

Town dead: 9 Blue Mafia dead: 1 Other Mafia dead: 0 Other dead: 0Players alive: 32

[MathBlade]

Based on the other song lyrics this makes lapsa, CookieBakers, and any other song posters likely scum for the red team. (DGB also gets added to this list too)

In other news Lapsa claims troll.

[Cookie Bakers]

@Math, yo! Spoiler that shit.

Parama and I are neighbors. My innocent is in the hood and crumbed.



Talk to me more about the night action resolutions.

Right now, Boem is suggesting Parama didn't target us, when he likely did. Scum left both of us entirely alone despite balance dictating ninja and scum blockers. Like the last thing that should happen is me having a result at all...

[RachMarie]

and sure enough the masons are not marked in green '


Titus talk to me why the he double hockey stick would town math keep trying to scum read masons

[Lapsa]

Shiro and I are thinking Math might just be insane town.

+1

that kind of thought diarrhea seems impossible to fake

UNVOTE:

[Cookie Bakers]

and sure enough the masons are not marked in green '


Titus talk to me why the he double hockey stick would town math keep trying to scum read masons

I've done that before as town. Math doesn't want to accept site meta that the masons are a problem scum have to resolve eventually. I drove Drixx and Cerberus up the wall with that before.

[Cookie Bakers]

Shiro and I are thinking Math might just be insane town.

+1

that kind of thought diarrhea seems impossible to fake

UNVOTE:

I wouldn't say impossible, but very unlikely. If there's two people that can fake that, it's myself and Math. It's worth giving Math a day to adjust to the thread and talk about the reads that are actually plausible and direct them that way.

~Titus

[RachMarie]

well

grr

ok

[MathBlade]

@Math, yo! Spoiler that shit.

Parama and I are neighbors. My innocent is in the hood and crumbed.



Talk to me more about the night action resolutions.

Right now, Boem is suggesting Parama didn't target us, when he likely did. Scum left both of us entirely alone despite balance dictating ninja and scum blockers. Like the last thing that should happen is me having a result at all...

Ninja -- I don't see this. Explain please.

The you getting a result on I agree. Unless you had already crummed your scumminess. Now if you are town that is a ton of shit and you shouldn't have a result.

There is the option of redirectors existing. Boem could be redirected. You are not a likely candidate for redirection as you would see yourself as having a gun and the proper play with an investigative redirect is to point them back at themselves. However, anytime scum have a redirector that is an investigative the better play is to always redirect themselves onto themselves so that way they share bad information. However, failing that then you RB, and failing that you kill. Especially since those role blocks outed likely scum in Egg.

However no one is really pushing Egg that has any direct impact to the result.

[Cookie Bakers]

Math, redirector is impossible. Read the setup again. Everyone is a normal role or combination there of.

[Lapsa]

I wouldn't say impossible, but very unlikely. If there's two people that can fake that, it's myself and Math. It's worth giving Math a day to adjust to the thread and talk about the reads that are actually plausible and direct them that way.

~Titus

table seems accurate. very handy - i still can't remember who were masons

[VA-11 Hall-A]

So could you explain like I am 5 why in the he double hockey stick you talked about being blue Vall?

I believe that was dunn who said that IIRC?

Yes. Dunn explained that it was a Transcend reference (song lyrics, whichever one you want to go with)

But that's wholly irrelevant. The problem here stems from that post being treated as a claim lol. To call it a claim is a stretch, saying that it's crumbing to the other mafia team is ludicrous at best.



Looks like we're all starring in Tunneling Town: The Musical!(ft. Mathblade)

[MathBlade]

and sure enough the masons are not marked in green '


Titus talk to me why the he double hockey stick would town math keep trying to scum read masons

You'll notice I'm not scum reading you. I'm just not conf!town reading you. I've nailed what I think is the blue team and the majority of the red and the masons don't seem to fit. Therefore they are "Very Likely Town". However scum can claim masons and fucking coast to lylo in a closed setup. Hell that almost happened with town in 1800 because they didn't claim well enough and no one actually saw and understood it. I fucking HATE site meta. I toy with it as scum on a regular basis.

In a scum game of mine I specifically had Karnos claim Neopolitan and tell the truth to the town in order for Karnos to get the town cred. Meanwhile he kept doing scummy as fuck things but people went "Meh we won't pay attention to Karnos". Their scummy day one shit that got him to Lylo on D1 yeah we're just going to ignore that.

A role is not what saves you from being scum. Being TOWN is what saves you from being scum.

@Titus -- Okay derp. I've played so many games with a redirector I thought it was normal. *sigh*

[MathBlade]

I wouldn't say impossible, but very unlikely. If there's two people that can fake that, it's myself and Math. It's worth giving Math a day to adjust to the thread and talk about the reads that are actually plausible and direct them that way.

~Titus

table seems accurate. very handy - i still can't remember who were masons

...It's in the table. *sigh*

[RachMarie]

ok unless there is a real actual report from one of the PRs that says Vall is scum Im keeping them on the town list peeps

This feels like dunn town to me I have not played with zach before though

[RachMarie]

just keep in mind math you could be wrong

town is often wrong

ESPECIALLY this early in a game

[Cookie Bakers]

@Mathblade

The most logical explanation is that scum sent a ninja at me (thus not detected by Boem). Yet, then Boem would likely detect Parama.
The other explaination would be that Parama explicitly lied in our hood about protecting us, which makes about zero sense... and was shot directly.

[Cookie Bakers]

Parama could have also been blocked... but then why not block the watcher camped on the gunsmith?

[MathBlade]

just keep in mind math you could be wrong

town is often wrong

ESPECIALLY this early in a game

I do keep that in mind. Hence why they are reads. And my scumreads are my willing to lynch pile. Outside of that not willing to lynch. It is an awesome concept.

@Valhalla -- why still no questions to townblock or egg?

[RachMarie]

@ Titus

isnt there another blocker besides Egg dude?

Could they have blocked you?

[Cookie Bakers]

@ Titus

isnt there another blocker besides Egg dude?

Could they have blocked you?

We would have gotten a no result.
We specifically have "Your target does not carry a gun."
We were not blocked.

[MathBlade]

@Mathblade

The most logical explanation is that scum sent a ninja at me (thus not detected by Boem). Yet, then Boem would likely detect Parama.
The other explaination would be that Parama explicitly lied in our hood about protecting us, which makes about zero sense... and was shot directly.

Or that Boem is scum and there is a watcher on their team.
It is possible Parama thought you were scum and lied. However more likely is he protected you and died.
Or Boem is scum and left off the NK person. Or left off Parama to avoid the connection.
Or just RNG'd names to give bad info.

Lots of things.
If you are town this is fishy.

[Egg]

Rach/elitism, wasn't the setup confirmed pregame as being 5 members each on two teams and everyone else town? also to rach, why don't you want our hood outted?

Unvote, Vote mathblade

^still sheeping.

This is scum. Anytime you are an outed negative utility role such as Egg's self proclaimed roleblock you should announce your target in your first post so people know what you did and if there is a redirect or a roleblocker or in late game CC if/when what you are saying is impossible/possible.

I got yelled at in joss whedon mafia for calling roleblock negative utility first of all. second, you don't know that my role is "roleblocker", you know that i claimed responsibility for VA's action failing N1. Third, how many times have you actually seen roleblocker played the way you describe?

Egg if you are going to sheep me do it right I said Elyse was a TOWN read of mine and why

It was what someone else said in our hood. The reasoning for an Elyse town read that I said I didn't buy fit as someone who would submit a kill if they were scum. I could be more clear if we could out our hood or I can just tell you there if you want. Although it probably should be obvious to you what I'm referring to.

Creature, when you say townblock and I targetting the same person is BS, are you implying that he and I are scum TOGETHER whose brilliant strategy was to COUNTERCLAIM each other? Now THAT is BS. Think about it. In a huge role madness game, you need to do things to balance it. Adding roles that make less stuff happen at night makes a lot of sense. It's personally reasonable to think that there are quite a few blocking roles running around for balance reasons

Its really weird that that particular neighborhood has a double roleblock thing going on and I would like to sort it soon as possible. VOTE: egg

Townblock isn't in my hood.

Math, drop the scumteams crumbing to each other. It's neigh on dumb

I agree with this. If I was scum, i'd be trying to shoot the other team. Math was in the game where I did that, very successfully by the way, as SK.

[VA-11 Hall-A]

@Valhalla -- why still no questions to townblock or egg?

Why have you still not presented a logical argument for me scum?

I saw the one you did, but keyword: logic