Open 651: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

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Post incoming.

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VOTE: shaddowez

Self voting is not a townie move.

@light and @superbowl:

What did you discusse as a scumteam before the reroll? Which abilities did you discusse to select and why?

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Actually, I'll do it later. I'm kind of worn out right now, and I sorta forgot about this game ;^?

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{shadowez}
{Sir Bastion, Raskol}
{superbowl}
{Vedith, light, Sora, NJAC}
{kyndy}

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In the game I ran, the way roles ended up more abilities actually hurt scum.

Yeah, this is pretty much a scumsided setup unless scum are incompetent. When I was scum, I just chose no stack because I knew that was the best combo. Sure enough, perfect win.

I actually wasn't planning to play this setup again since I'd be statistically more likely to draw town, and therefore statistically more likely to lose, but KTS chose the game and told me to just have fun, so I guess that's what I'm gonna do.

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{Sir Bastion, Raskol}
{superbowl, Lycanfire}
{Vedith, light, Sora, NJAC}
{kyndy}

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{Sir Bastion, Raskol}
{superbowl, Lycanfire, Sora}
{Vedith, light, NJAC}
{kyndy}

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Vedith's the traitor with kyndy as one of the groupscums btw.

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{Sir Bastion, Raskol}
{superbowl, Lycanfire, Sora}
{light, NJAC}
{kyndy, Hebee Inc, Vedith}
Vedith traitor, kyndy and Hebee groupscum.

Game solved.

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VOTE: kyndy.

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@ HighHopes - could you elaborate your read on Kyndy please

No.
(Especially since KTS will be doing most of the driving this game.)

scum can also pick a roleblocker themselves

False: mafia roleblocker is NOT a possible role this game.
Only town roleblocker.
Check the list of roles on the front page.
Possible mafia roles are {Bulletproof, Rolecop, JOAT}, but the JOAT has a 1x-ninja and 1x-strongman; it does not include a roleblock.

Ergo, roleblockers are a town role this game and the

only

way for Vedith to be roleblocked is if a town roleblocker targets him.
Keep this in mind.

That being said:
Vedith is not a lynch for today.

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IT IS TIME

FOR ME TO ENTER MY FINAL FORM

TO CATCH

ALL THE SCUM!!1!

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give me a couple seconds to read, hot damn.

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VOTE: shaddowez

Self voting is not a townie move.

@light and @superbowl:

What did you discusse as a scumteam before the reroll? Which abilities did you discusse to select and why?

This post feels ugly to me. Not sure why, but I don't like it <:#

VOTE: kyndy101
Nice to see you again.

Likewise xD

Also upon thinking it I think it'd be rare for a reroll to include the previous scumteam as scum so
UNVOTE: Superbowl9

That's incorrect.

The whole thing about NJAC pushing the IC that makes him town is fucking dumb. If he didn't see the thing, then I find it reasonable for him, as scum, not to know he's IC and push on him. That is, pushing on town. Don't pull that bullshit logic.

Super feels hella sus B O I S

Sir Bastion is fucking TOWN AFIA HFUAHMY DUDES. Lycan feels town, so does Vedith. Not sure how I feel abotu NJAC or whatever their face, kyndy or whatever.

Light Ganski's p scummy, and I kinda wanna put them to the noose already.

Sora's notably null for me. I don't dislike or like their content thus far.

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Superbowl feels better, and I like his content. I just can't shake the gut feeling he's scum, but I don't know why he's scum. It's starting to piss me off, but I just might want him dead anyway to see for future reference just how much I can trust my gut. Sounds fun.

Sora needs a noose.

Gonna have to talk to Ranger about why Sora's town, but I can see why Superbowl might be town. Hebee is definitely scum, needs a lynch today. That should be our lynch, in fact. Uh, NJwhatever is probably town, need to talk to Ranger about that as well.

I'm going to look more into Kyndoyhasidja or whatever. Light needs to die. I want a Hebee or Light lynch today, no question. Vedith can be town, that claim is p fucking townie.

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Can we please stop doing this "x is town" "This post is scum" etc. as just naked statements
It really doesn't help the game or anyone in it if you're not gonna actually give the reasoning behind a certain conclusion.
It doesn't have to be long sora style shit but just a few words would be helpful.

This post is scum.

Agreed

I'm pretty shit at this whole hydra thing.

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I shall make a post soon.

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Let me make it clear that WE ARE NOT lynching a PR claim who feels genuine in such a scumsided setup. That fucking kind of stupidity is ridiculous, and I swear to god. Vedith looks town as all hell, and I would know. Any more votes on him makes you confirmed scum.

Unvote now.

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Vedith, stop being a princess and start playing the game instead of your drama whore shit.

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Lycan, Bastion, and Vedith solidifed my townread. No need to change any of those reads. Kyndy makes me doubt the read, not a safe lynch.

NJAC posts a bunch of shit that isn't pushing anything and just commenting on shit. Pretty bad, honestly, doesn't make me townread him anymore. Sora posts a good post, liked it quite a bit. He could be town, and my gut says that, too. Super's post, while I didn't even bother to read it, but rather, skim it, was still pretty good in terms of gut. I didn't care about the content. Shadow's post was pretty fence sitty and bad, and my gut read it as scum.

Rask's entrance was good. He's usually obvtown as town, and I think I'm feeling that here. Kyndy's awkwardness feels a little better to me. Vedith feels good. No read read changes. Hebee is obvscumming. Comments on a single post, votes Vedith, considers tunneling. Nothing good about that post.

Hebee does more content. Nothing notable. Light is a shitter, scum. Would lynch that or Hebee.

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But I've got high hopes, takes me back to when we started,
High hopes, when you let it go, go out and start again,
High hopes, when it all comes to an end,
But the world keeps spinning... Around.

Post soon.

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I lied, fuck your expectations.

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FTR I don't mind lynching HH if we get to it.

You say that, but you provide no content of your own. I want to think you're scum for being so stupid, but I'm afraid idiocy does not equal scumminess.

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VOTE: Hebee

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VOTE: Hebee

Oooh, just what we needed. A naked vote on someone who has no votes and hasn't posted in two days while there are currently three wagons. I'm sure this will get things moving.

So you didn't bother on reading any of my other posts? I assume that's what you're insinuating with your ignorance here.

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L-1

Don't hammer without letting me say my final word.

VOTE: NJAC

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I also checked Kyndy. Not a goon.

So just to be 100% sure.
This is you, claiming you have a Not-a-goon result on kyndy, correct?

'Cause this is what I have to say to that:
VOTE: Vedith.

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And yes, Kyndy is not a goon.

Oh, you are gonna

love

this.
I had to make sure you were claiming a result, explicitly, as to leave yourself no wiggle room to back out.

We are a roleblocker. We blocked Vedith last night. This is a 1v1.

My idea, and my submitted action, though KTS supported it.
My reasoning should be obvious enough: IF Vedith were real, then, sure, we would be blocking him, but his result of 'no result' would not only clear him, but also reveal our presence as a roleblocker in the game. If necessary, we would claim to save him.

IF, as I suspected, Vedith was the most obvscum liar of all time, then come morning today, he wouldn't know to claim "no result". He would try to claim a result that would be useless, but because scum roleblockers don't exist in the game, he would have to make up a result.

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That's actually Ranger you're speaking to.

And as for ME quickhammering, I found it absolutely hilarious to do so.

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Highhopes claim came at a point where the 3 roles had been claimed by end of day 1 and a night period had passed where a chance for scum to find a 4th if they took a role cop.

For a start, 199 should give you an indication of what I think there.
Then, in 245, I did something VERY important:

scum can also pick a roleblocker themselves

False: mafia roleblocker is NOT a possible role this game.
Only town roleblocker.
Check the list of roles on the front page.
Possible mafia roles are {Bulletproof, Rolecop, JOAT}, but the JOAT has a 1x-ninja and 1x-strongman; it does not include a roleblock.

Ergo, roleblockers are a town role this game and the

only

way for Vedith to be roleblocked is if a town roleblocker targets him.
Keep this in mind.

That being said:
Vedith is not a lynch for today.

This was me making sure Vedith could not claim he was blocked by a SCUM roleblocker. This was me ensuring he could not use that excuse, that he would be FULLY aware claiming to be roleblocked meant claiming to be blocked by town.

It was also a pretty blatant broadcast of my intentions.

You literally cannot get a more blatant claim of, "We're not lynching Vedith today, but we're sure not letting him get away with this bullshit".

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That's actually Ranger you're speaking to.

And as for ME quickhammering, I found it absolutely hilarious to do so.

Then you're an idiot.

Stop reiterating what's already been said.

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Vedith scum though doesn't make sense with hebee (traitor likelihood waning) and the claim is still kind of absurd from scum.

That's the thing though.

Vedith being the traitor is

exactly

what I think is happening.
As the traitor, Vedith's job is to draw out power roles, and to misdirect the town. To mislead them. As the traitor, Vedith's job is to use his status as a distraction to its fullest advantage: immune to a vig shot, able to draw a roleblock/track/goon cop, or maybe even--with a power role claim--a bodyguard, directing these things onto him rather than to where they need to go.

I've left KTS to do most of the posting this game, including letting him dictate reads. I'm fine with sheeping him for the most part, wouldn't be playing this game without him, but I'm still gonna use my superpower called common sense to point out the obvious. I said back in 199 that Vedith was a traitor. Did anyone stop to think

why

I thought that?

Yeah, and re looked, it does say no result! My bad!

Where's KTS with a good backpedaling gif when you need it?

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Yeah, and re looked, it does say no result! My bad!

Where's KTS with a good backpedaling gif when you need it?

hows this

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The KTS Ranger surprise switcharoo
There is literally not a stronger contrast between 2 players in mafiascum.

what r u implying here

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I didn't think you'd blow my mind again like this.

Easy there, fella.
No mind blowing until Vedith actually flips traitor.

...You

can

, however, be impressed at the guts it took to roleblock a claimed power role.

My only question is why you guys quickhammed NJAC and didn't push hebee when it was perfectly viable yesterday?

It's KTS, plus, NJAC was in the tier where overall, he was "possible scum". Not a main candidate, but one where I certainly wasn't gonna step in and tell him, "Hey, don't do that". For further explanation, see also: it's KTS.

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I don't want the day to end quite yet by a derp/quickhammer, but there's no real reason to put him at L-1 since we're not exactly going to get a claim.

This is true enough: there is no reason to rush the day.

HOWEVER,
Make no mistake:

I am almost positive that Verdeth is scum and highhopes is clear, so I am also alright with lynching either of my 2 other scum reads this game because we already know Verdeth is outted as scum.

We know Vedith is confirmed scum, yes, but we don't know what

type

.
Say I'm wrong. Which can happen on occasion. Say Vedith's a goon, and we let him live. Well, assuming he's the traitor, we'd go off roleblocking someone else, and he'd be free to make the nightkill because we let confscum live. (This would be particularly sad if it turns out there's only two groupscum, just with Vedith as one of them.)

Now, I happen to think Vedith is the traitor. But I think we'd all be able to make more informed decisions if we got confirmation of this as fact.

So, we are 100% lynching Vedith today. No ifs, ands, or buts.

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On that note, contingency plan:
IF VEDITH FLIPS MAFIA GOON/PR, WE WILL BLOCK LYCANFIRE.

IF VEDITH FLIPS MAFIA TRAITOR, DISREGARD THE ABOVE; WE WILL DECIDE OUR BLOCK FROM A SELECT LIST OF PLAYERS RANDOMLY. (Said list will be privately discussed and refined in our hydra PT, as well as the random block, for obvious reasons.)

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KORNROW KENNY HE WAS BORN WITH A VISION

yo iron i'm down to just fucking lynch you and kyndy rn u feel me dawg? or maybe we go for something like a rask lynch.
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lets do itm y dudes. kornrow kennys got my side int hits debacle