Wake's Massive Role Madness - Game Over

[hebichan]

Hmm townblock or medium, townblock or medium...

I apologize to egg retrospectively, you are more town than either of those.

Where should I vote klingon, I think both are likely scum and you are town, so I want you to sell me on the better vote.

UNVOTE:

[Drixx]

There's also another thing which needs to be addressed:

We don't actually have any evidence yet to know what the "normal" KPN for this game is yet!

Reasoning:

1.) We know from the sign-up threads and original posts in this thread that the game was designed with two scum teams of 5 each.
1a.) That was changed to presumably keep it a mystery whether we have an SK or not.
1ab.) The safest assumption in light of 1a is to assume we have a SK and act accordingly.

2.) We should therefore expect to see 3 KPN from anti-town factions, as a baseline.

3.) We have seen more KPN than that thus far.
3a.) We do not have 100% definitive explanation of the "extra" kills.
3b.) It makes sense to assume town has some active killing power, and that extra kills above expected KPN are "Zero vigs" shooting their load.

4.) Since we do not know how many kills that we possess in total, we cannot draw any conclusions about the number of kills being the same on both nights which have occurred thus far.
4b.) We also have many claims of ability to block and protect, as well as flipped JOAT with protective abilities, which suggests that some attempted kills may not have succeeded.

5.) It is therefore nowhere near sound to conclude that anyone who visited Cookie Bakers last night was not attempting a kill, simply because the two nights happened to both have the same KPN thus far.

There's no sense in being coy:

I am a doctor/neighbor

in a neighborhood with Serrapaladin (who has said nothing in the hood, but outed it without our consent and tried to use it to throw shade on the other member of the hood) and Almost50. At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if they're not town. Serrapaladin's posts don't pass the narrative test for me. That is to say: they feel like a sloppy narrative instead of town oriented questioning and attempting to work things out.

Almost50, on the other hand, decided to say something in the hood about why to think Shaziro is town that he withheld from his argument here in thread. Still trying to figure out why.

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Obviously people know what to do with regards to what I bolded and underlined and stuck a green color on. Say nothing; do the right thing. Nothing else needs saying on the matter.

[Varsoon]

Hey, Drixx, what should I be doing?

[Lapsa]

@mod can you please either confirm or deny if you are running follower in exactly the way the wiki describes?

that`s one sad attempt to build up credibility

and Mathblade`s case seems reasonable...

[Drixx]

Hey, Drixx, what should I be doing?

ISO dive some people and get into the flow. It's not really that long because of how fast day one and two both went and like over 20% of the starting pool of players are dead. Plus others aren't posting as much as they usually do.

Mathblade is a good place to start. A reliable reasoned idea of his alignment would be useful.

[Lapsa]

hey lapsa this is like the 7th strike for Thor, what gives man?

he's his own grave digger. i don't mind that push - quite the contrary

[Drixx]

Just throwing this out there: a scum

watcher

makes a lot of sense if there's a scum

ninja

.

I don't have a case ready to go on Boem but I do recall having some things he said that were internally contradictory in my multi-quote when I moved on to a page and saw the thread lock indicating I hadn't caught up before the lynch. An ISO dive there might be fruitful.

[MathBlade]

I lift 400 pounds of scum reads a night. Anyone can verify. I do this all on my own.

And I eat a bag of nachos for fun afterward.

[Transcend]

well

[MathBlade]

However to do that I require sleep.

Good night.

[Cookie Bakers]

Just throwing this out there: a scum

watcher

makes a lot of sense if there's a scum

ninja

.

I don't have a case ready to go on Boem but I do recall having some things he said that were internally contradictory in my multi-quote when I moved on to a page and saw the thread lock indicating I hadn't caught up before the lynch. An ISO dive there might be fruitful.

Watcher = scum ninja? Game has to stop follow the GS after all..

[Cookie Bakers]

Drixx, Remember Space Dandy? Shaz feels like that to me.

[Lapsa]

@Cookie GS - ?

[Lapsa]

won't lynch Shaziro

@Egg/Rach could you tell me what are your reads on Skybird?

[Lapsa]

well

sorry, couldn't resist

[Boem_u_dusi]

That was a lame joke.

[Lapsa]

true

[Transcend]

lmfao

would lynch: skybird, seraphim, townblock, boring, hebichan, probably some other fuckers i forgot

drixx is getting pretty towny now

[Boem_u_dusi]

Vote distribution is terrible, there are too many players with 2-3 votes on them.

I don't know about Shaziro, but we're now in a situation where he's either a confirmed town or a confirmed asshole so we're not going to vote in that direction.

[Transcend]

not voting shaz like ever

even though one of the heads on my elitism account said they were scum

i'm gonna doubt their read.

fwiw they also said elyse was hard town which i tend to agree with.

[Lapsa]

my would lynch list looks ~ like:

townblock, long_island_medium, egg, seraphim, hebichan

[Transcend]

i think long's town but everyone is coming across him!scum

but like i think he's town idk man

[Lapsa]

noted

[Almost50]

Almost50, on the other hand, decided to say something in the hood about why to think Shaziro is town that he withheld from his argument here in thread. Still trying to figure out why.

You mean the part about smith?? Bc I didn't think anyone would care in the main thread.

But if that's bothering you: All I said was that smith -the reviewer- opted to phrase his post here in a way that gives me the impression the Follower on his "other site" would actually give the "precise action" as opposed to "type of action". I said smith is relatively new to MS and that might've been the reason.

[Thor665]

I'm not sure the mod saying the game wasn't checked for normalcy should be viewed as vindicating Shaziro.

Sure, though it assuredly doesn't damn him and shows the mod trying to clarify that the setup is *not* what Math is claiming it to be.
The way i see it - Shaziro is either exactly what he claims, in which case he's too potent to be worth killing.
Or he's scum rolecop who is obligated to out info - in which case he will either be caught in a lie, or the other scum team will not want him reporting and will want him dead.

As far as I am concerned this was not handled correctly. That is all I will say as I would drag down enjoyment from others.

I think based on the first post and mod posts here Shaziro is scum. If they aren't then more discussions post game.

My main issue is that the first post is consistently referred to as normal and then say it was not reviewed for normalcy just is gahhhhhsnsiebdjdhdjrhrjrbeiwjdisbsj.

Take that one step further and the easiest Ockham's explanation is that the first post is not claiming what you say it's claiming (which it clearly isn't - there is a clear difference between Normal Roles, and Reviewed for Normalacy)