Mini 1821 Badass Women U-Pick Mafia - game over

[farside22]

Now this is bad ass!!!

Yume (4) utl , ari, mala, skybird,
Pie (1) mollie
Mollie (4) lld, beegirl, pie, yume

Not voting:

foxbird, layla

With 11 alive it will take 6 to lynch
(expired on 2016-09-01 15:00:04)

[pirate mollie]

if we're making Yume dead, I would much prefer her being vig'd over her being lynched.

why

there was an attempt to vig her last night and it failed. so do you want the vig to waste another shot? and it is textbook optimal town play to vig a treestump if there is a question about their alignment so I am wondering why the fuck you are pushing a suboptimal town strategy?

I mean I can't believe that there are pple who actually think that I wld nk tth. I WAS HER FUCKING STRONGEST TOWNREAD AND WE WERE WORKING TOGETHER. like this line of thought is so fucking stupid that I don't even have words for it.

[Malakittens]

^ this.

Mollie should be vigged/killed instead of lynched IMO.

Yume should be lynched.

Gif advocating for Skybird vig of lynched.

[Aristophanes]

if we're making Yume dead, I would much prefer her being vig'd over her being lynched.

If she wasn't ascetic, I'd agree. But then she'd probably already be dead and we wouldn't be having this conversation!

I'll vote where my townreads are voting

VOTE: Mollie

I have no words for this game.

[UpTooLate]

Ari I just don't think anybody targeted her with you. I think you should try again tonight if they don't lynch her today. Though, I still think it's odd that shes insisting on getting vigged. I disagree with pie and that whole situation feels off.

Why is anybody reading mollie as scum at this point?

[Aristophanes]

It really bugs me that Yume wants to be vigged so badly. She seems too eager to be vigged. I think lynching her is the best strategy.

I don't really agree with this kind of logic; my take on it is that Yume isn't flipping scum, and if we lynch her it'll essentially be an entirely wasted day phase if she's town or a mostly wasted one if she's scum (it hopefully should be obvious why). I don't hold a particularly high opinion of Yume's play, but I do believe that she from a town POV would in fact be able to see that it would not be good if we lynched her assuming she was scum only to find out we've wasted an entire day phase around her and would thus be inclined to fight against it in her ... own way.

even if the shot doesn't go through, there isn't any reason we wouldn't be able to just lynch her tomorrow; we have enough numbers. I don't see a reason not to at least attempt it in this scenario.

So you would rather let Yume, the most unhelpful player in the game, who has fakeclaimed vig, and who has a good chance of just wasting me shot due to asceticism, live through the night and likely into tomorrow when we will have to waste another lynch on her? And your big solution to not wasting the day today is to lynch the god damned claimed Treestump!?!?

No.

[Aristophanes]

Ari I just don't think anybody targeted her with you. I think you should try again tonight if they don't lynch her today. Though, I still think it's odd that shes insisting on getting vigged. I disagree with pie and that whole situation feels off.

Why is anybody reading mollie as scum at this point?

I may, but it will probably just waste my action.

I was very clear that I was targeting Yume, and I figured anyone who could enable me would. Unless that would have to be a scum role, in which case Yume has a good chance of being scum and is unable to have my ability activate on her.

She should be today's lynch.

[UpTooLate]

It shouldn't be a waste tonight.

[Aristophanes]

If we don't lynch her, I will. But I don't see why we shouldn't take care of this today!
Deal?

[Yume]

Maybe the reason no one else targeted me is because those able to target people think I am town. Shocking, I know.

[UpTooLate]

If we don't lynch her, I will. But I don't see why we shouldn't take care of this today!
Deal?

Deal.

[UpTooLate]

Well, Ari lied. He's not a conditional vig, he's a full vig, like me.

Yume can you explain this please?

[Yume]

I asked the mod. The mod said non-killing abilities can't be used on me. That's why I assumed that either you had a killing role or Ari is a full vig instead of conditional one.

[UpTooLate]

That's not what the mod told me.

[Yume]

Well, obviously. You phrased your question differently than I did.

[UpTooLate]

You should try rephrasing then. I asked her specifically and in detail if what ari claimed would kill you, even if the other action didn't take and mod confirmed that yes, it would.

[Yume]

Okay. I'll ask her here though.

@Mod If I am targeted by multiple people, one of whom is a vig, does the vig action still go through even if the other actions fail?

Good enough?

[UpTooLate]

She had mentioned the wiki when giving me her answer. This is what the wiki says about your claimed role:

"Ascetic is a role modifier (though it can function as a role in its own right) that causes a player to be immune to all actions at Night except kills. More precisely, Ascetic reflexively Roleblocks all actions taken against them except kills."

Except kills.

[Yume]

She had listed the wiki when replying to me as well.

[Malakittens]

mollie, luv, help me lynch yume.

[Aristophanes]

Okay. I'll ask her here though.

@Mod If I am targeted by multiple people, one of whom is a vig, does the vig action still go through even if the other actions fail?

Good enough?

This question does not take into effect the conditional nature of my vig shot.

[UpTooLate]

Well, Ari lied. He's not a conditional vig, he's a full vig, like me.

Yume can you explain this please?

[pieguyn]

what the fuck is this game.

1. it isn't "optimal play" to vig a treestump, and the logic there is entirely arbitrary. correct me if I'm misreading something but the logic there literally appears to be "I'm a treestump so the optimal play is to vig me instead of lynching me"... how is this different from anything else, ever? it is completely baffling to me that so many people in this game seem to somehow buy into this, or are somehow against lynching her just because "treestump claim" when it hasn't been proven and it's well within expectation that she would fake it.

2. the point that mollie wouldn't kill TTH because she was "her strongest town read and working with her" is a bad one; I went back to double check and TTH wasn't working with mollie at all nor did she even explicitly state a town read on her. mollie did, on the other hand, state a town read on TTH in 838... for being "cranky town", since that's a good reason to want to think someone is town... based on exactly one post TTH made... so no, the TTH kill isn't impossible from her like she's attempting to claim it is, it could easily be a kill due to not wanting to risk having to play around her any longer. on top of that, the entire argument ignores that mollie is not the only scum in this game; it could easily have been directed by someone else.

I might go through mollie's posts again and explain my read on her in more depth, actually. Mala, I'd still like a more in-depth explanation of why you're town reading her.

[pieguyn]

So you would rather let Yume, the most unhelpful player in the game, who has fakeclaimed vig, and who has a good chance of just wasting me shot due to asceticism, live through the night and likely into tomorrow when we will have to waste another lynch on her? And your big solution to not wasting the day today is to lynch the god damned claimed Treestump!?!?

No.

posts like this are why I thought you were scum. =_=

[Yume]

Well, Ari lied. He's not a conditional vig, he's a full vig, like me.

Yume can you explain this please?

I explained it. FYI, the fact that you find an explanation lacking doesn't mean I didn't.