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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:46 am

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sry will read up and start posting
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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:16 am

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In post 171, kyndy101 wrote:I don't agree with his views on scumtells in 12, but I don't think it's scummy. 27 makes sense as reasoning against what Gamma said, and makes a good reason for his stance. I agree with 28; infinity did not respond well imo but did have valid questions, to which Gamma had stupid responses. 65 seems genuine, 66 seems odd to me and defensive, I don't understand 68, and like the question in 114.
I don't like this read. There is nothing I have done that couldn't be easily faked. That goes for pretty much all town reads that have been posted thus far.
Sorry for not posting but I'm still figuring out how to play D1 with this new thing called ''ignore the bullshit'' because I haven't been taught otherwise. I'm probably going to keep calling out the bullshit but then explaining how it still doesn't even come close to being a scumtell.
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Scumtells are bullshit, find something else to fill pages with please.
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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:13 am

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Liking gallynukes readlist for town. Somewhat familiar with kyndy and I like the impetus/effort she put in this early though I don't use the same kind of reasoning and don't reach the same conclusions.
Lil's answer was okay.

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I don't know if your complaining legitimately or in a lamist way but you haven't done much but stifle what other people are doing.
What do you hope to accomplish like this?

It looks like you're interested in infinity but then why not engage him or go into that some more? Anything that does anything.
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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:51 am

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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:07 am

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With recent developments, I've decided that RVS is officially done.
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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:08 am

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I'll place a vote again once I form a solid scum read.
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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:57 am

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In post 177, Raskolnikov wrote:Liking gallynukes readlist for town. Somewhat familiar with kyndy and I like the impetus/effort she put in this early though I don't use the same kind of reasoning and don't reach the same conclusions.
Lil's answer was okay.

VOTE: Skold
I don't know if your complaining legitimately or in a lamist way but you haven't done much but stifle what other people are doing.
What do you hope to accomplish like this?

It looks like you're interested in infinity but then why not engage him or go into that some more? Anything that does anything.
Either you've not read my posts or you've ignored their content. I'm not pushing anything today because I don't think scumreads and townreads are valid without any factual context (usually in the form of flips and claims). It's all speculation and nonsense and the mass buying into this is how mafia manipulate town into lining up lynches. I could perhaps use that as a tell but, sadly, town far too often try to line up lynches as well.
I'd put some philosophical bollocks here but I cannot be bothered.
Scumtells are bullshit, find something else to fill pages with please.
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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:57 am

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In post 180, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'll place a vote again once I form a solid scum read.
Join my club and abandon reads altogether. They're mostly excuses to justify gut tells anyway.
I'd put some philosophical bollocks here but I cannot be bothered.
Scumtells are bullshit, find something else to fill pages with please.
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Post Post #183 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:59 am

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WTF you can't just not play the game though
HEY GUYS IM JUST GONNA SIT OUT DAY 1.
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Post Post #184 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:00 am

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DONT MIND ME, GO ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS, LET ME KNOW WHEN THERE'S A FLIP
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Post Post #185 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:05 am

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I'm going to policy you out of principle if you play like this.
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Post Post #186 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:21 am

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Okay since this is a newbie.

Day 1 is usually the most important day of a game. Often town does end up lynched at the end because there is so little information to work with, but the multiple wagons rising and falling plus reasoning people have given behind their actions allows a ton of analysis there with regard to the flip. It basically sets up the entire rest of the game so a strong day 1 has its own inherent value regardless of flip.

Sitting out day 1 entirely is bad because
a) you're saying you don't care about lynching scum on day 1. Even if d1 scum flips are less likely than town they're not that uncommon and the benefit (in terms of winrate) is huge.
b) it's defensive and selfish because you don't give anyone substantial content to read you off of, similar to lurking.

It's subjective whether this makes him scum but both of these are straight up anti-town.

Him pushing this as he does is kind of more absurd than anything else given it also draws a lot of attention to himself, but this shouldn't be allowed for game health if nothing else.
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Post Post #187 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:32 am

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@Skold: So are you advocating for No Lynch Day 1? If so, doesn't really make sense in a game like this.
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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:13 am

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In post 183, Raskolnikov wrote:WTF you can't just not play the game though
HEY GUYS IM JUST GONNA SIT OUT DAY 1.
In post 182, Skold wrote:
In post 180, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'll place a vote again once I form a solid scum read.
Join my club and abandon reads altogether. They're mostly excuses to justify gut tells anyway.
Reads are independent from tells because they can be from instinct. Tells can't be instinct because they are from observation. Also, some scum reads do work. Saying you instead of we in LyLo when trying to push your case is one.
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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:35 am

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Didn't mean to quote Rask. Damn post box design.
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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:11 pm

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In post 186, Raskolnikov wrote:It's subjective whether this makes him scum but both of these are straight up anti-town.
Like literally every other scumtell. I'd say you're scum for trying to line me up on nothing, but that would be irrational and break principle. And it's not that I can't make bullshit up it's that I refuse to. Feel free to play mafia from lalaland though.
I'd put some philosophical bollocks here but I cannot be bothered.
Scumtells are bullshit, find something else to fill pages with please.
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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:11 pm

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In post 187, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:@Skold: So are you advocating for No Lynch Day 1? If so, doesn't really make sense in a game like this.
Nope. That gives mafia a free kill. I just want everyone to understand that D1 lynch is entirely random and scumtells are completely useless.
I'd put some philosophical bollocks here but I cannot be bothered.
Scumtells are bullshit, find something else to fill pages with please.
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Post Post #192 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:13 pm

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In post 183, Raskolnikov wrote:WTF you can't just not play the game though
I am playing mafia. I'm just not playing bullshit mafia LITE which involves pretending scumtells actually lead to scum lynches. Continue your lalaland experience though.
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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:14 pm

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In post 188, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also, some scum reads do work.
No they don't. Not any more reliably than randomly lynching.
I'd put some philosophical bollocks here but I cannot be bothered.
Scumtells are bullshit, find something else to fill pages with please.
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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:27 pm

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But I like lalaland bullshit mafia LITE :(
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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:28 pm

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Skold if everyone did what you did how would the game go anywhere though?
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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:31 pm

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Can you not even agree in basic principle that it's somewhat selfish and to even self perpetuating?
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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:41 pm

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Okay, say you're town. 9p game 7 town 2 mafia.
Assume every town pushes randomly, but mafia don't push partner d1.
7:2 pushing if everyone influences the game VS
6:2 if one town sits back d1 and doesn't try to influence.
Which is more likely to land on scum? Pure/provable random lynching AFAIK is actually against site rules.
Even if everyones going in whatever dumb directions, the less town are influencing or leading the decision the less likely you lynch scum period.

But like even disregarding all that it's just terrible to encourage this in a newbie game of all things...
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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:43 pm

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@Skold: Why even play then? If we all did what you're doing the game would be even more inactive than it is now and a smart mafia team could just kill off a player who has posted very little and leave us with nothing and stuck Day 2. It's impossible to avoid not going off scum tells Day 1. Yes they're shitty at times and can result in mislynches but it gives us information which is the most important thing. How is your approach to this game and potential future games healthy? I and I think anyone else can see how your new approach is beneficial for scum but town I see no positive due to how hard it is the play the game perfectly.
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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:44 pm

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Have to agree with Rask on this and it would really suck to policy lynch you man

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