Mini Normal 1814 Machiavellian Mafia (Game Over)

[Zap Rowsdower]

tell me when that was posted

You posted in the discussion thread on January 30 this year. I found that post and quoted it in this game on August 14.

Spoiler:

OK found this, from a thread titled "Is it ever right to lie as a townie?"

What about when rc fake claimed a guilty and made the scum team forfeit?

What about when rc fake claimed a guilty and made the scum team forfeit?

Never fakeclaim guilites.

I never would. But then there is RC..

I was actually going to pull this game to show Dw how disastrous it can be for town when you fake a guilty. Since he knows about it, it would be pretty fucking shitty for him to fake a guilty now.

[Elyse]

not on ira's but on zap's and maria's

Why would it have bearing on their alignment but not ira's?

Let's say ira is town. You don't think scum would be hesitant in jumping on a fake guilty presented halfway through the day?

[Zap Rowsdower]

Do you think DW's "reaction" tests are townie?

Well, yes, kinda. Because I just feel like it goes against the grain of scum motivation, you know? Like, you draw attention to yourself by faking not one but two guilties? And then you call people town as a result? Just doesn't really help to get mislynches. Maybe if he's partners with Maria it'd make a bit more sense, but I still have a hard time believing Maria could be scum.

And then, I mean, think about what would've happened if Dw had stuck to the fake guilty on ira. It only makes sense if Dw and ira are partners together, because if ira flipped town then Dw would have to expect that we'd just turbolynch him the next day. And scumDw would know that ira was flipping town now that the traitor has flipped.

So then, what if ira

is

Dw's partner? They'd really pull that after losing the third member of their team? I know the automatic answer is "yeah they'd do it because they knew you'd townread them for it!!!!" but I just have a hard time believing that.

Not to mention the whole thing where I have a really hard time believing ira is scum anyway.

So the other option is that Dw is scum who's just flat-out lying right now about his intentions with the ira gambit. As in, he didn't really intend to get ira lynched when he fakeclaimed the guilty. That's the reason I'm still not totally willing to close the door on Dw being scum. The meta you claim exists might help me sort it out. Dw linked to some game where he was town but I lazily ctrl + f'ed his ISO in that game and couldn't find anything that looked like gambiting so I'm not sure what Dw was trying to show with it.

At any rate I just feel like there's so much more sketchy shit going on with BYF. He's bungling his reasons for scumreading me, he's sheeping the shallow reasoning that I'm scum because my reaction when I realized I'd accidentally hammered CR "looked fake" (I'd be sincerely interested to see an example of somebody realizing they'd accidentally hammered where nobody tried to argue the next day that the reaction "looked fake") and his actions in this game have largely benefited scum.

[Dwlee99]

tell me when that was posted

You posted in the discussion thread on January 30 this year. I found that post and quoted it in this game on August 14.

Spoiler:

OK found this, from a thread titled "Is it ever right to lie as a townie?"

What about when rc fake claimed a guilty and made the scum team forfeit?

What about when rc fake claimed a guilty and made the scum team forfeit?

Never fakeclaim guilites.

I never would. But then there is RC..

I was actually going to pull this game to show Dw how disastrous it can be for town when you fake a guilty. Since he knows about it, it would be pretty fucking shitty for him to fake a guilty now.

so you acknowledge that I said those words 7 months ago. lol

not on ira's but on zap's and maria's

Why would it have bearing on their alignment but not ira's?

Let's say ira is town. You don't think scum would be hesitant in jumping on a fake guilty presented halfway through the day?

They might be hesitant but the way zap and maria reacted to it was more than just hesitating.

[Zap Rowsdower]

so you acknowledge that I said those words 7 months ago. lol

"Never" is not a finite word. So you've changed your mind on fakeclaiming? Why?

[Dwlee99]

I wanted ira lynched ???

[gerryoat]

I wanted both of you lynched before the day started and before you guys started tunneling me so interpret that however you want.

So you wanted us lynched before the day started, OK. Except that your reasoning for wanting us lynched is this:

I'm down for the lynch of either Gerryoat or Zap, and it's not because they want me dead (well kinda, obviously), but

because they are both focusing on me and only me, making no reads on anyone else or considering the scumread of another.

And yesterday I pretty much just focused on Elyse. So why did you say that the reason you want me lynched is because I'm "focusing on you and only you"?

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[MariaR]

Anyone who says Ira/Dw scum is getting auto slapped in the face because the only way that is happening is if you think 1 of Ira/DW can solo carry this game (unless you wanna say we have 4 scum in a 14 player game and I'll just self delete now) and I don't think either of them could solo carry as a scum team and would most likely buddy the heck out of each other

Does no one want to talk on the traitor thing or are we all gonna auto tr that and not think it's fake ever

[Dwlee99]

I mean I CAN carry a scum team lol

[Nero Cain]

Does no one want to talk on the traitor thing or are we all gonna auto tr that and not think it's fake ever

is this about Zaps hammer?

[Dwlee99]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65515
~ego~
anyway, though, I don't think minor inconsistencies always point towards scum. I think occasionally town make these mistakes.

[Dwlee99]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65515
~ego~
anyway, though, I don't think minor inconsistencies always point towards scum. I think occasionally town make these mistakes.

[MariaR]

Does no one want to talk on the traitor thing or are we all gonna auto tr that and not think it's fake ever

is this about Zaps hammer?

No it's about the uniserial tr everyone gave Gerry because "he didn't know how traitor worked" I think Zap and Gerry faked that whole thing and it's a really easy thing to fake also

[Nero Cain]

Do you think DW's "reaction" tests are townie?

Well, yes, kinda. Because I just feel like it goes against the grain of scum motivation, you know? Like, you draw attention to yourself by faking not one but two guilties? And then you call people town as a result? Just doesn't really help to get mislynches. Maybe if he's partners with Maria it'd make a bit more sense, but I still have a hard time believing Maria could be scum.

And then, I mean, think about what would've happened if Dw had stuck to the fake guilty on ira. It only makes sense if Dw and ira are partners together, because if ira flipped town then Dw would have to expect that we'd just turbolynch him the next day. And scumDw would know that ira was flipping town now that the traitor has flipped.

So then, what if ira

is

Dw's partner? They'd really pull that after losing the third member of their team? I know the automatic answer is "yeah they'd do it because they knew you'd townread them for it!!!!" but I just have a hard time believing that.

Not to mention the whole thing where I have a really hard time believing ira is scum anyway.

So the other option is that Dw is scum who's just flat-out lying right now about his intentions with the ira gambit. As in, he didn't really intend to get ira lynched when he fakeclaimed the guilty. That's the reason I'm still not totally willing to close the door on Dw being scum. The meta you claim exists might help me sort it out. Dw linked to some game where he was town but I lazily ctrl + f'ed his ISO in that game and couldn't find anything that looked like gambiting so I'm not sure what Dw was trying to show with it.

At any rate I just feel like there's so much more sketchy shit going on with BYF. He's bungling his reasons for scumreading me, he's sheeping the shallow reasoning that I'm scum because my reaction when I realized I'd accidentally hammered CR "looked fake" (I'd be sincerely interested to see an example of somebody realizing they'd accidentally hammered where nobody tried to argue the next day that the reaction "looked fake") and his actions in this game have largely benefited scum.

ok well, both me and Elyse have done "reaction" tests and you have no trouble scum reading us so?

"BUT DW DID TWO!"

I think his "tests" are null and I'm having a hard time seeing you as town believe that he's townie but Elyse and I are not. Also I'm p sure that it was Elyse that fakeclaimed a guilty on Maria...not DW. I think DW's "reaction" test was fakeclaiming a guilty on Elyse. I think he DID call her town but has since backtracked and is scumreading her as town.

[Dwlee99]

I think DW's "reaction" test was fakeclaiming a guilty on Elyse. I think he DID call her town but has since backtracked and is

scumreading her as town.

what do it mean

[Nero Cain]

I am much much more confident on DW being scum mostly b/c his voting pattern today is all kinds of shit. He has voted both pretty much confirmed town reads (Ira and Elyse) and has a scum read on the only guys to actually get scum lynched this game. He's voting this way b/c he knows he's scum and voting outside of the obvious kills (Ira, Elyse) would help town narrow down who is buddy is. A DW scum means that

BOTH

Zap and Gerry can't be scum. And Zap is defending the living daylights out of DW so I could see a DW/Zap team. Sheep me if you aren't already.


I think CR makes Elyse p obviously town.

[MariaR]

What did CR do that makes Elyse ultra town and you shouldn't be townreading people that pushed on scum because mafia don't know there traitor unless you think CR coded somewhere

[Dwlee99]

Votecount 1.14 FINAL

For every dark night, there's a brighter day.

Map Wolf: MariaR, BigYoshiFan, Elyse, BlackStar, iraonavp, Dwlee, Nero Cain, [L-0]

iraonavp:

Comparing Realities, Map Wolf [L-5]

BigYoshiFan:

gerryoat, Rosske, Zap Rowsdower, [L-4]

Not voting (1)

- Wake 88,


With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

(expired on 2016-08-01 12:00:00) remain until day end

[/quote]
nero assume I am town for this excercise.
Who is the scum on the map wagon. I think it is elyse.

[MariaR]

Dw answer me this please: Why are you trying to lynch Ira when that was the ONLY person CR pushed on the whole game?

[Nero Cain]

CR knew who scum were. I think CR telling Elyse that her Zap read was confirmation bias sounds like scum with inside info and thus he was talking to town. I am not sure on whether or not this means Zap is scum or he was telling Elyse this was a TvT.

[Dwlee99]

Dw answer me this please: Why are you trying to lynch Ira when that was the ONLY person CR pushed on the whole game?

I've been reconsidering but I've tunneled partners the whole game before.

[Nero Cain]

Votecount 1.14 FINAL

For every dark night, there's a brighter day.

Map Wolf: MariaR, BigYoshiFan, Elyse, BlackStar, iraonavp, Dwlee, Nero Cain, [L-0]

iraonavp:

Comparing Realities, Map Wolf [L-5]

BigYoshiFan:

gerryoat, Rosske, Zap Rowsdower, [L-4]

Not voting (1)

- Wake 88,


With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

(expired on 2016-08-01 12:00:00) remain until day end

nero assume I am town for this excercise.
Who is the scum on the map wagon. I think it is elyse.[/quote]
"ignore me and look over there!"

please step into the noose

[Nero Cain]

Votecount 1.14 FINAL

For every dark night, there's a brighter day.

Map Wolf: MariaR, BigYoshiFan, Elyse, BlackStar, iraonavp, Dwlee, Nero Cain, [L-0]

iraonavp:

Comparing Realities, Map Wolf [L-5]

BigYoshiFan:

gerryoat, Rosske, Zap Rowsdower, [L-4]

Not voting (1)

- Wake 88,


With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

(expired on 2016-08-01 12:00:00) remain until day end

nero assume I am town for this excercise.
Who is the scum on the map wagon. I think it is elyse.[/quote]
"ignore me and look over there!"

please step into the noose

[MariaR]

If you tr that I'd prob put Zap in the "obv town" spot along with Elyse cause if Zap was scum CR would prob not bring that up.

Good thing I don't tr that.

[Dwlee99]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65809
^ me tunneling a partner
@Nero