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Bins · Post Post #75 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:11 am

Don't really know why Zach lied about his role. Vengeful is a really town claim and he can just say he likes being a vig 'cause tons of people do.

Bins · Post Post #76 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:11 am

Actually, I can sort of see why. It makes sense to lie as town in this situation so it might save him.

MariaR · Post Post #77 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:12 am

My mistake was I didn't know how guilty claims work because where i play from (EM) It's quite easy to get guilty claims off you if you try hard enough but here it's like "Goodluck!"

mhsmith0 · Post Post #78 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:14 am

Millers and godfathers really aren't common around here, and fake-claiming cop really isn't either, so a cop guilty is usually good.

Of course, when it *really* gets fun is if you're in an open setup with a cop and soft a fake guilty on a wolf. I've done that twice in turbos, was super fun both times. Amusingly, the first time the actual cop got the same guilty as me and played along (so I ate the NK bullet N2 instead of her), and the second time the cop got a real guilty on the other wolf and yelled at me D2 until I fell in line (then we lynched *my* wolf D3).

MariaR · Post Post #79 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:16 am

Lesson learned for another game!

Bins · Post Post #80 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:20 am

The two times I've had a guilty on me 1) it was town lying about it and 2) it was scum no killing so everyone thought I submitted the kill cause the roleblocker had targeted me.

Bins · Post Post #81 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:20 am

So the two times I've had a guilty on me I've been town!

Shadow_step · Post Post #82 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:21 am

In post 76, Bins wrote:Actually, I can sort of see why. It makes sense to lie as town in this situation so it might save him.

He is going for the if I was scum I wouldn't have chosen the same role as

Maria

angle.

MariaR · Post Post #83 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:26 am

Hey look that's me!

Killthestory · Post Post #84 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:27 am

how does Giga know me so well

Creature · Post Post #85 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:28 am

That'd be great if Zach claimed vengeful, town would lynch him to make their numbers odd.

Creature · Post Post #86 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:29 am

At least kraska77 and Firebringer aren't so tasty mislynches anymore, still I think town should've gone for Zach before Charloux.

Shadow_step · Post Post #87 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:38 am

Bins why do you think Vengeful is a town claim? It can an up horribly if the person ends up killing a town player.

MariaR · Post Post #88 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:40 am

I think it's a town claim in this spot because it puts you in a high chance to get lynched and if you're in 3 way as a vengeful claim you're 100% getting lynched

aka if you claimed it and you were scum you kinda lose.

Bins · Post Post #89 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:42 am

Oh I didn't realise he claimed what Maria picked

Yeah it's more that scum don't usually go for vengleful. Especially over a Vig.

Killthestory · Post Post #90 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:43 am

which is why it was so perfect

Bins · Post Post #91 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:44 am

Fruit Vendor is fluff but it is tasty fluff.

Anyways I actually thought roles like fruit vendor being able to confirm them self was way too strong. This game has a crazy town win rate and scum being able to action and kill is more meta now. I'm not the first mod to make this change for this setup.

Bins · Post Post #92 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:45 am

Yep and his claim is pretty much confirmed cause n3 has already happened with no double kill

Tho it might be bad in LYLO with town killing him and trusting him with the vengeshot

Bins · Post Post #93 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:46 am

Also having a bad pick in the draft is good.

Killthestory · Post Post #94 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:46 am

Town have a lot more PRs than usual, and a single one can fuck us. EX: The cop destroyed two scum, and i couldn't do shit

mhsmith0 · Post Post #95 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:51 am

High #s of PRs tend to be town positive, low #s tend to be scum positive, and 11v3 is more town-sided than the usual 10v3 split. I'm not remotely surprised that town does well in this setup.

Shadow_step · Post Post #96 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:07 am

In post 95, mhsmith0 wrote:High #s of PRs tend to be town positive, low #s tend to be scum positive, and 11v3 is more town-sided than the usual 10v3 split. I'm not remotely surprised that town does well in this setup.

11v3 is because of the vigs/pgo/ vengeful in the game.

I ran this as a 13p setup on another site, removed the 1shot and night 3 big. Clubbed Pgo and Vengeful together.
Scum still won, they completely fucked up in the draft and two of them ended up remaining goons, one got the commuter role he wanted which is more of less useless for scum.

Creature · Post Post #97 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:15 am

In post 88, MariaR wrote:I think it's a town claim in this spot because it puts you in a high chance to get lynched and if you're in 3 way as a vengeful claim you're 100% getting lynched

aka if you claimed it and you were scum you kinda lose.

Still think you should always lynch Vengeful claims if the numbers are even and the vengeful isn't confirmed town.

Shadow_step · Post Post #98 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:34 pm

WTF IS THIS BS
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mhsmith0 · Post Post #99 (ISO) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:35 pm

Never. Never ever ever ever ever self vote as town. I did it precisely once in a strange setup where town was mechanically better off lynching town than no lynching and it was still squick. Charloux has to force the wolf to work to get him lynched. Has to.