Newbie 1734 - Happy (Game Over)

[Lil Uzi Vert]

UNVOTE: Magibass

VOTE: Skold

[kyndy101]

And at least one of those is Skold's fault. It's fine though bro, just being snarky.

Hahaha; Well, that was certainly interesting late night reading
I don't like Skold's responses; it sounds like he's floundering. But also, I don't see scum getting into this situation. UNVOTE:
Until I think of something

I'm going to write a more detailed post at some point, I promise..
@Skold: PLEASE. TELL ME YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE ASKING US TO DO SOMETHING IN WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE FLIP TO GO ON DAY 2. If we play normally, we get the information about how other players felt about that particular player, or how that player interacted with others changes under the light of their flip. We need scum tells / scumhunting to play this game. I would take Rask's advice and replace out if you can't handle playing the game as you should.

[kyndy101]

Also

@mod: Votecount please?

[kyndy101]

Lol I done messed up and realized after the fact that I was voting Gamma at that point, not Skold.
VOTE: gamma

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Kyndy: I understood why Gally voted for Gamma but I don't understand why you're voting for him now. What lead you to casting a vote for him and why?

[Gamma Emerald]

She says I have "bad logic". Quotes mean I don't agree.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Well she should have restated her reasoning. It's only fair.

[Skold]

Off to school, first day hype, catchup later today.

[Xalxe]

Vote Count 1.5

When it all goes to hell just remember that it’s what’s inside that counts (though many would not find you very appetizing).

Skold (4)

: Raskolnikov, Gallynukes, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert

Raskolnikov (1)

: Skold

kyndy101 (1)

: Infinity 324

the blackadder (1)

: Magibass

Gamma Emerald (1)

: kyndy101

Not Voting

: the blackadder

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-01 07:26:54)

Magibass is being replaced.

[Raskolnikov]

UNVOTE:
Bah humbug. I hoped to draw out the worms, but none of gally lil gamma are particularly objectionable.
I actually lean town on skold and would want nothing more to prove him wrong.

[Raskolnikov]

@mod may I suggest for clarity indication of how many is required to lynch, or otherwise l-1s?

[Raskolnikov]

Infinity are you scum?

[Raskolnikov]

@Gallynukes your scumread on gamma is essentially because he dropped too many votes and wanted to get something going? Can you go more into why that's necessarily malicious, especially this early?

[Raskolnikov]

The transition between 67 and 69 is unnatural to me; 67 is focusing on Rask, but 69 is a naked vote on Infinity. Looking at the context provides no more light on the situation, as SKOLD was the only poster between the two. Skold wasn't even writing about Infinity, and I find it implausible that Gamma made a skold-infinity mix-up

again

farther into the game.

Uhm. I ISOed him and it looks like not too long before that vote he said he scumread infinity, apparently based on activity. Mentioned a few times.

I don't understand the aggression against Infinity in 82, and the reasoning is weird.

I don't think you saying this is AI, but FTR he's actually right here. Explaining a townread when unnecessary (person not in a position needing defending) is giving up information for low benefit and degrades the use of whatever tell it is (because it's out there and seen now).

Gamma then has a conversation with Infinity that imo isn't very alignment indicating, however then Gamma states that Rask and Infinity could be mafia with little input from the other players beforehand. There was no good reasoning for either accusation, and the previous reads of his were Skold being scum (heavily implied, from the voting etc), and a random vote on Infinity and a terribly-reasoned vote on me.

If you actually look he at some point justified every vote though?

As for 97, I find it unlikely that scum would do a buddying / distancing dynamic that early on.

This post by gamma actually could be bad, but not for why you say it is. The thing is coming out with a distancing/buddying read COULD BE a kind of low effort way to cast doubt on both slots, although if anything there is some basis to him being interested in that given how earlygame was. 100 is him admitting its a complicated situation though and the question at the end is actually good because it feels like he is trying to figure things out.
You point out what he says is unlikely but I don't think saying unlikely things or even being wrong is necessarily AI vs motive.

I don't agree with the logic in 100. Terrible voters logic in 113, terrible logic continues in 115.... all of this leads me to heavily lean scum on Gamma. Therefore, VOTE: Gamma for now.

Mmm. The vote does look lazy but the explanation is okay (it being pressure motivated, in other words). Voting someone to get their attention is actually extremely effective from my experiences.

From what I've seen you did ISO him but didn't read too in depth and missed a lot of things. Particularly keeping track of what he says about each player none of his votes are really mystery ones (although you can disagree with his logic, and could argue his reasoning is scummy, you can't say there is no reasoning offered when there was).

Now idk if this even bad from you because on the game as a whole you gave a lot of thoughts and did split effort between every player that posted, but I usually see people don't skim their strongest scumread iso without trying to figure it out a bit more. I'll look into it.
But for now I await your response. I want you to respond in depth to my points, whether you agree or disagree with each and why.
VOTE: kyndy

[Gamma Emerald]

I appreciate your defense of me but:

UNVOTE:
Bah humbug. I hoped to draw out the worms, but none of gally lil gamma are particularly objectionable.
I actually lean town on skold and would want nothing more to prove him wrong.

Care to explain further?

[Infinity 324]

Infinity are you scum?

Nope

[Infinity 324]

Rask what's your read on lil

[Raskolnikov]

@Gamma
Policy lynches are easy wagons to hop on and scum usually either
a) hop on in a lazy way
b) stay off, but do so conspicuously. Example is saying they're strongly opposed but not showing it with actions (looking apathetic). Or changing the read.
kyndy was a little close by townreading him to then not liking his posts but I'm not sure it's significant enough. I don't really know how to read the unvote thing and how she thought she had him voted.

[Raskolnikov]

Lil's jump onto l-1 would be pretty bad if there was a VC posted before it (and the previous one wasn't inaccurate) but I was finding it confusing myself keeping track this game... I might actually be too naive with newbies but it's just not quite enough.

Gally and gamma look town whereas he's kind of null with the trust thing from earlier I still don't get. Probably my 2nd choice to wagon tbh.

[Infinity 324]

Why do I agree with you about everything

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: blackadder get in here.

[Xalxe]

the blackadder

is being prodded.

[Infinity 324]

Damn it, now beetlejuice doesn't work

[Raskolnikov]

*obligatory buddying accusation

[Infinity 324]