Wake's Massive Role Madness - Game Over

[Boem_u_dusi]

Varsoon claimed neapolitan and he got that DGB is not a vanilla townie.
Skelda claimed Vanilla Cop and he got that DGB is vanilla, which means mafia goon, SK or a VT (in which case he contradicts Varsoon). Now I get it, neapolitan != Vanilla Cop.

[RachMarie]

Normal Guidelines

Neapolitan is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. Only Vanilla Townies return a "Vanilla" result, while all other roles return "not Vanilla".
Use and Power

A Neapolitan is significantly stronger than a Vanilla Cop. It's more comparable to a Gunsmith, although it can only clear vanilla townies.

There aren't currently any normal mafia roles that are immune to its power, so it's safe to assume that that any Vanilla results a Neapolitan gets are confirmed town. However, it can be risky for a Neapolitan to claim its results: the mafia can make good use of that information, too.

that is the difference tween a neo and a vanilla cop. They can only get vanilla on a true VT period

vanilla cops get vanilla on both goons and vts and maybe even sks?

[Boem_u_dusi]

Most likely explanation is that DGB is SK after all and in that case we should lynch her in order to reduce anti-town killpower.

[Cookie Bakers]

@RM Correct

[Creature]

If SK has no special powers/modifiers other than killing, yes.

[Cookie Bakers]

Most likely explanation is that DGB is SK after all and in that case we should lynch her in order to reduce anti-town killpower.

We should roleblock DGB. This would confirm a town blocker. Then vig them.

[RachMarie]

ok only way I am willing to do that is if before we lynch dgb we get cookies guilty result

I do not want to risk a scum getting away because they die in the night

[Boem_u_dusi]

I got confused by neapolitan/Vanilla Cop dichotomy.

[RachMarie]

yeah lets go with their suggestion

role block and vig dgb



Pedit it is confusing no worries dude HUGS ♥

[Boem_u_dusi]

Most likely explanation is that DGB is SK after all and in that case we should lynch her in order to reduce anti-town killpower.

We should roleblock DGB. This would confirm a town blocker. Then vig them.

But if DGB is SK she probably has bulletproof protection? In that case we should lynch her, not vig her.

[Boem_u_dusi]

We should make sure that we have a town roleblocker before we proceed.

[Cookie Bakers]

We may wind up lynching DGB anyway. At some point I will hit a false positive. Scum murdered many of those though.

[Boem_u_dusi]

I think we should lynch a guilty today, roleblock DGB, vig someone in POE and lynch DGB tomorrow.

[RachMarie]

ok post stalking done, yeah Im down with a thor scum read as well dude is posting elsewhere. Not going into details cause ongoing.

[Cookie Bakers]

Most likely explanation is that DGB is SK after all and in that case we should lynch her in order to reduce anti-town killpower.

We should roleblock DGB. This would confirm a town blocker. Then vig them.

But if DGB is SK she probably has bulletproof protection? In that case we should lynch her, not vig her.

We should vig to confirm town blocker or not. Even if DGB is SK, then she's not getting a shot off. If she does, scum can never fakeclaim roleblocker.

[RachMarie]

that plan works for me

lynch the guilty today, block dgb then lynch her tomorrow

[Boem_u_dusi]

Most likely explanation is that DGB is SK after all and in that case we should lynch her in order to reduce anti-town killpower.

We should roleblock DGB. This would confirm a town blocker. Then vig them.

But if DGB is SK she probably has bulletproof protection? In that case we should lynch her, not vig her.

We should vig to confirm town blocker or not. Even if DGB is SK, then she's not getting a shot off. If she does, scum can never fakeclaim roleblocker.

How does vig confirm town blocker? I don't get it.

[Skelda]

DGB cannot be Bulletproof because she is Vanilla.

[Cookie Bakers]

Noo...

By vigging instead of lynching, the night actions confirm if there is a roleblocker fr town. DGB will be blocked then.

[Cookie Bakers]

DGB cannot be Bulletproof because she is Vanilla.

Investigation immune would show as vanilla though.

[RachMarie]

^^
THIS

[Boem_u_dusi]

From mafiascum wiki:

Serial Killers are often given One-Shot or unlimited Bulletproof. This stymies attempts to kill the SK by the Mafia or Vigs, if temporarily.
Serial Killers have also been seen with investigation immunity like Godfathers, or Tracker/Watcher immunity like Ninjas.
In very complex games, Serial Killers can be complex roles unto themselves that just happen to have a factional kill and a self-aligned win condition.

[Cookie Bakers]

I am tempted to just outright state my guilty given we're finding scum faster than we can kill them.

[Skelda]

Oh true! That didn't occur to me. Though would Investigation Immune show up as Not a VT?

[Boem_u_dusi]

Noo...

By vigging instead of lynching, the night actions confirm if there is a roleblocker fr town. DGB will be blocked then.

I still don't get it. If there is a town roleblocker, there will (probably) be one nightkill less so that's how we'd know.