Wake's Massive Role Madness - Game Over

[Boem_u_dusi]

Varsoon, can you roleblock Thor tonight?

[Boem_u_dusi]

Maybe it's better not to answer that. But if you can roleblock him, you know what to do.

[Cookie Bakers]

Nah, it should be roleblock DGB. We know she CAN be roleblocked.

We don't know if Thor can be.

[Varsoon]

I don't want to give more info on what I can or can't do.
P-EDIT:
Got it.

[Boem_u_dusi]

Nah, it should be roleblock DGB. We know she CAN be roleblocked.

We don't know if Thor can be.

I still don't understand why you insist that Thor gets lynched today. DrippingGoofball is outed SK/Goon at this point. Thor is going nowhere.

[Shaziro]

What did Skybird say their result was on Egg? That would confirm that the way I am getting my results is standard, assuming they were a follower and you're not using "followed" for some other investigative, for this game.

she didn't but she did flip JOAT with that as one of her abilities

She said what I posted about knowing he roleblocked on N2 because she followed him on N2 she did not say on whom he used it, but knowing Egg he probably told the truth on whom he used it which I believe was on Vall

So she said she knew he roleblocked. That means she saw him take a "Roleblocker" action. Right?

[RachMarie]

yes

[RachMarie]

otherwise all she could have said was she saw him visiting someone

she did not say to whom he was rbing though.

[Shaziro]

But my point is, that should verify that yes, I -am- a follower and I -am- getting the results the way I've said I'm getting them. So Math should chill the fuck out about it. Correct?

[Cookie Bakers]

Nah, it should be roleblock DGB. We know she CAN be roleblocked.

We don't know if Thor can be.

I still don't understand why you insist that Thor gets lynched today. DrippingGoofball is outed SK/Goon at this point. Thor is going nowhere.

I don't understand why you insist on DGB when it's the suboptimal play.

1) DGB can be blocked. Thor might be ascetic.
2) Lynching Thor and vigging Hebi might stop two teams kills.
3) Thor can talk his way out of this if not threatened with rope, DGB cannot.
4) We need to eliminate as many scum actions as possible.
5) The people pushing for lynching DGB are all people who I have taken issue with, have mild paranoia of and have thrown shade my way minus you.

[Boem_u_dusi]

Ceterum censeo DrippingGoofball esse lyncham

[Boem_u_dusi]

Nah, it should be roleblock DGB. We know she CAN be roleblocked.

We don't know if Thor can be.

I still don't understand why you insist that Thor gets lynched today. DrippingGoofball is outed SK/Goon at this point. Thor is going nowhere.

I don't understand why you insist on DGB when it's the suboptimal play.

1) DGB can be blocked. Thor might be ascetic.
2) Lynching Thor and vigging Hebi might stop two teams kills.
3) Thor can talk his way out of this if not threatened with rope, DGB cannot.
4) We need to eliminate as many scum actions as possible.
5) The people pushing for lynching DGB are all people who I have taken issue with, have mild paranoia of and have thrown shade my way minus you.

1) If Thor is ascetic, then he's immune to all actions besides NK - that would also include gunsmith check I presume? So, no.
2) Vigging is irrelevant in terms of stopping kills?
3) LOL nope
4) That's my argument for lynching DGB today, one less dead townie tomorrow if she's a SK
5) Oh, thanks for kind words. By the way, I don't share that paranoia

[Klingoncelt]

Here's what I have so far, please feel free to add in any info:
(A "?" indicates that's what they claimed, but it's not confirmed.)
(" * " indicates that they're known to be in more than one Neighborhood.)

Blue Mafia:

(dead) CCC, 2-Shot Voyeur
*(dead) TownBlock, Roleblocker/Neighbor
Others

Red Mafia:

*(dead) Egg, Roleblocker/Neighbor
*(dead) Map Wolf, 3-Shot Watcher/Neighbor
(dead) Seraphim, 2-Shot Tracker
Others

Mason Lodge

*Klingoncelt, Mason/Neighbor
*RachMarie, Mason/Neighbor
*(dead) Amalgam, Mason/Neighbor

Bastion Veronica

Boring, .../Neighbor
*Klingoncelt, Mason/Neighbor
*Shaziro, Odd-Night Follower?/Neighbor
Skelda, .../Neighbor
*(dead) Amalgam, Mason/Neighbor
*(dead) TownBlock, Blue Mafia Roleblocker/Neighbor

Northern Keep

Mathblade, .../Neighbor
*Shaziro, Odd-Night Follower?/Neighbor
*(dead) Fire Assassin, Ascetic Citizen/Neighbor

C

Vedith, .../Neighbor
*RachMarie, Mason/Neighbor
*(dead) Egg, Red Mafia Roleblocker/Neighbor
*(dead) Fire Assassin, Ascetic Citizen/Neighbor
*(dead) Foxbird, Voyeur/Neighbor
*(dead) Skybird, JoAT//Neighbor

D

Cookie Bakers, Gunsmith?/Neighbor
*(dead) MapWolf, Red Mafia 3-Shot Watcher/Neighbor
(dead) Parama, Bodyguard/Neighbor

E

Almost50, .../Neighbor
Drixx, Doctor?/Neighbor
Serrapaladin, VT?/Neighbor

F

Hebichan, .../Neighbor
(dead) Comparing Realities, JoAT/Neighbor

G

(dead) Blanche, Jailkeeper/Neighbor
*(dead) Egg, Red Mafia Roleblocker/Neighbor
others?

H

Narna, .../Neighbor
(dead) Shos, Motion Detector/Neighbor
*(dead) Skybird, JoAT//Neighbor

[Shaziro]

There's the Klingon thing! Yay information!

[RachMarie]

my hood is getting very lonely

I blame Egg and team red

[Cookie Bakers]

Nah, it should be roleblock DGB. We know she CAN be roleblocked.

We don't know if Thor can be.

I still don't understand why you insist that Thor gets lynched today. DrippingGoofball is outed SK/Goon at this point. Thor is going nowhere.

I don't understand why you insist on DGB when it's the suboptimal play.

1) DGB can be blocked. Thor might be ascetic.
2) Lynching Thor and vigging Hebi might stop two teams kills.
3) Thor can talk his way out of this if not threatened with rope, DGB cannot.
4) We need to eliminate as many scum actions as possible.
5) The people pushing for lynching DGB are all people who I have taken issue with, have mild paranoia of and have thrown shade my way minus you.

1) If Thor is ascetic, then he's immune to all actions besides NK - that would also include gunsmith check I presume? So, no.
2) Vigging is irrelevant in terms of stopping kills?
3) LOL nope
4) That's my argument for lynching DGB today, one less dead townie tomorrow if she's a SK
5) Oh, thanks for kind words. By the way, I don't share that paranoia

1) Point taken here.
2) It's irrelevant on this day. It's not for tomorrow.
3) Really, if you just let him go, he has all day to try and think of a fake claim.
4) And Thor is optimal for that reason. We went over this.
5) You're welcome. The amount of insults that Drixx has thrown towards my townplay, Lapsa did that, Skelda has too (or maybe just one, I am a little tired).

There's absolutely zero reason for being deadset on DGB being the lynch BEFORE Thor claims.

[Cookie Bakers]

my hood is getting very lonely

I blame Egg and team red

they have to be scummy neighbors don't they.

I wanted MP to be town so bad...

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Thor665

We can at least pressure him some.

[Skelda]

So what are we going to do about DrippingGoofball?

Can we lynch DGB today? She's likely the SK and leaving her alive is just costing us extra deaths if that is the case.

Vote: DGB

My target last Night wasn't Vanilla.

I had one shot of Rolecop, which I used on DGB last night.
I got 'Vanilla'.
So, my results so far have been:
NIGHT 1 (Neopolitan): Not Vanilla on DGB.
NIGHT 2 (Gunsmith): No Result -- The mod says this means something different than 'Has a Gun' or 'Does not have a gun'.
NIGHT 3: I Commuted.
NIGHT 4 (Rolecop): Vanilla.

So, I gotta imagine that DGB is scum, right? Either that or there is some fuckery.

Why would you use that? I already had that result.

[Wake1]

Official Vote Count

5.02

Thor665

(7): Cookie Bakers, Shaziro, RachMarie, Lapsa, Vedith, Creature, Klingoncelt

DrippingGoofball

(3): Boem_u_dusi, Skelda, Varsoon

hebichan

(1): serrapaladin

Skelda

(1): MathBlade

Not Voting

(11): Narna, Almost50, hebichan, Gollum, Thor665, DrippingGoofball, PeregrineV, iraonavp, boring, Elyse, Drixx

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-07 10:00:00)

[Shaziro]

So what are we going to do about DrippingGoofball?

Can we lynch DGB today? She's likely the SK and leaving her alive is just costing us extra deaths if that is the case.

Vote: DGB

My target last Night wasn't Vanilla.

I had one shot of Rolecop, which I used on DGB last night.
I got 'Vanilla'.
So, my results so far have been:
NIGHT 1 (Neopolitan): Not Vanilla on DGB.
NIGHT 2 (Gunsmith): No Result -- The mod says this means something different than 'Has a Gun' or 'Does not have a gun'.
NIGHT 3: I Commuted.
NIGHT 4 (Rolecop): Vanilla.

So, I gotta imagine that DGB is scum, right? Either that or there is some fuckery.

Why would you use that? I already had that result.

Probably did't trust you? Idk.

[serrapaladin]

VOTE: Thor665

[Varsoon]

So what are we going to do about DrippingGoofball?

Can we lynch DGB today? She's likely the SK and leaving her alive is just costing us extra deaths if that is the case.

Vote: DGB

My target last Night wasn't Vanilla.

I had one shot of Rolecop, which I used on DGB last night.
I got 'Vanilla'.
So, my results so far have been:
NIGHT 1 (Neopolitan): Not Vanilla on DGB.
NIGHT 2 (Gunsmith): No Result -- The mod says this means something different than 'Has a Gun' or 'Does not have a gun'.
NIGHT 3: I Commuted.
NIGHT 4 (Rolecop): Vanilla.

So, I gotta imagine that DGB is scum, right? Either that or there is some fuckery.

Why would you use that? I already had that result.

To see if the result had changed since you claimed your result and
To confirm it for myself so we have two points of confirmation.

[Elyse]

Hi I never got to post yesterday and have class and a shitton of work to do so I probably won't be able to tonight either

BUT

I will definitely be able to catch up by Friday

Elyse, we're debating between which guilty to lynch anyway.

DGB as SK

or Thor has a gun.

Swaggy

VOTE: Thor665

Skelda as scumbuddy for wanting to lynch DGB instead to prevent kills. SK can crosskill. It's better to lynch team maf than SK.

Unless Skelda is cleared or something which might have happened while I've been away

[Drixx]

Nah, it should be roleblock DGB. We know she CAN be roleblocked.

We don't know if Thor can be.

How do we know DGB can be roleblocked? Please enlighten us with how you arrived at this conclusion. The more you assert things which you cannot possibly know, on top of you attacking me and Boem at the start of today and then trying to play the victim card when I questioned you about it ... let's put it this way. You're going to go from a paranoia "what if" column to a legit suspect if you keep up with illogical bullshit and doing shit like attacking other people and then playing the victim card when they push back. Cut the shit: what you know and have rational reason to believe and what you speculate are two different things. Stop referring to speculation as if it were divine revelation, and stop with the bullshit victim card. You came at Boem and me despite having considerable evidence against either of us being scum ... you don't get to play the victim.

Seriously ... deass your head and soon, or we're going to get into bump territory.

Nah, it should be roleblock DGB. We know she CAN be roleblocked.

We don't know if Thor can be.

I still don't understand why you insist that Thor gets lynched today. DrippingGoofball is outed SK/Goon at this point. Thor is going nowhere.

I don't understand why you insist on DGB when it's the suboptimal play.

1) DGB can be blocked. Thor might be ascetic.
2) Lynching Thor and vigging Hebi might stop two teams kills.
3) Thor can talk his way out of this if not threatened with rope, DGB cannot.
4) We need to eliminate as many scum actions as possible.
5) The people pushing for lynching DGB are all people who I have taken issue with, have mild paranoia of and have thrown shade my way minus you.

1.) There are at least two logical fallacies. You have no evidence to support the idea that DGB can be blocked, nor do you have any reason to assume we even have someone who can do it. The second part is just pure speculation. We know for sure that DGB is either a goon or the SK, and obviously if SK, the results we have tell us that she has investigative immunity because there's no freaking way a SK is going to have nothing but their kill in a 42 person role madness setup. So with DGB, we actually have

evidence

to suspect unknown role utility could screw with any plan other than lynching her, while with Thor there's literally no reason for you to speculate Ascetic other than you're trying to stack the deck on your shitty invalid logic.

2.) Lynching DGB is almost certainly the only way to kill her if she's really SK. Lynching DGB if she's SK actually does remove a kill. You can't possibly have any idea whether lynching Thor and vigging Hebi will even remove a single kill. Again you are stacking the deck and asserting things you have no empirical reason to believe to try and prop up your shitty fallacious reasoning.

3.) Thor can't talk his way out of shit. He has a gunsmith guilty on him, is active elsewhere on site and ignoring this game. That's textbook caught scum behavior.

4.) The only chance anti-town has to win is to keep as many KPN in play as possible: and you want to help them by leaving DGB alive. You have yet to explain why the best odds (based upon actual evidence) to permanently remove a KPN should be delayed at all, let alone multiple days, as you suggested at one point earlier. SK dead = permanent reduction in KPN which dramatically increases our odds of winning. No matter how you spin it, you can't be anywhere near as certain that Thor dying will remove a KPN.

5.) Oh look it's the "Wah! I ignored the evidence they were town and suggested they were scum and then they called me on my shitty logic so I'm a victim and nothing they say can possibly be right because I suggested they might be scum so they're only saying what they are to spite me!" -- Contrary to your Galaxy sized ego, I don't give a shit if you are so terrible you can't see that I'm obviously town, and I'm working to win and evaluating the way to maximize the chances of doing so based upon what's known. As much as you want to feed your ego, I wouldn't compromise my wincon just to respond to your bullshit head up the ass moonlogic shit.


And before you respond ... please remember that I can link to literally more than a dozen games where you had no reason to suspect me and even had solid evidence showing you that I was town and you illogically and irrationally tunneled me out of ego. If you want to make this game a nasty shitstorm ... that's on you. I'm asking you to check yourself. I guess we'll see if you ego or sanity will win out.