In post 455, Zyf wrote:@Skold+Rask-Is immediately being aggresive upon replacement scummy?
Scummy as in, do most people think it's scummy? I don't know, I don't think people generally have any problem with it. If it's really over the top it'll get looked at as possible counterwagoning to whatever is going on atm but people treat it pretty much the same as it'd be from a non-replacement.
Scummy as in actually scummy? I think replacing gives scum a good opportunity to play apart from the rest of the game which gives them low responsibility for their actions. I do think scum are more likely to case someone new than joining a popular wagon coming in since it has some advantages and they are put in a position with full flexibility that allows them to do that. Still, it's not more than a rough indicator I think.
Your replace aggressiveness on the other hand I like for a few things though it'd probably be bad to go into it.
the only thing that was going on at that point was Skold was getting policy lynched
which is pretty bad start for a Day 1
so that's moot
Also I've replaced in once as scum at the beginning of the day and I started going in a very different direction imo
so def. rough indicator, though I agree it's valid b/c my scumbuddy in 1721 definitely did that
and I agree with gamma for once, I'd like this elaborated on
b/c i'm still a little "hrm" on you rn
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In post 498, Zyf wrote:Ah, and by the way–
at this point this is more about making sure other people aren't dumb and start scumreading a town player (namely, me) when there are scum to kill
You're in a townread power position.
Use it on scum.
Huh? What do you mean?
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In post 495, Gamma Emerald wrote:Zyf, what? I told you I still think you're scum. Just accept that for now.
No, I'm not going to accept it.
First of all, if you're misguided town, it's a scumread in the wrong place.
Second of all, if you're scum, I need to diffuse it before you get away with bullshit.
Third of all, I'm town, so me being a "lynch option" of sorts is not ok with me because when deadline comes along stupid stuff happens a lot.
Fourth of all, I have PROPERLY debunked ALL your reasons for scumreading me.
In other words, you have no reason to be scumreading me anymore.
If you're still going to scumread me, say it's a gut scumread.
Because if you still scumread me, that's all it is.
A gut read.
It started as gut. I just have other reasons. I guess the only one that still counts is you asking for sheeping. What makes you think town would do that?
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Because I'm town...and I'm asking for sheeping?
And other people have flipped town...and asked for sheeping?
You need to expand your horizons a bit
kinda like i'm trying to get that you're just being n00bish and not scummy
also skold said that town won't sheep not that town won't ask for sheeping
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I'm not going to explicitly explain why the way zyf replaced in is good while we have 2 pending replaces, of which at least one IS scum barring one of my townreads being wrong.
@Gamma asking for sheeping and hard pushing is actually a towntell because it's essentially taking on extra responsibility and attention, not to mention ideal scum scenario is actually being on a wagon that doesn't go through for obvious reasons.
In post 505, Raskolnikov wrote:I'm not going to explicitly explain why the way zyf replaced in is good while we have 2 pending replaces, of which at least one IS scum barring one of my townreads being wrong.
your townreads have a pretty high chance of not being perfect right now
purely mathematically AND statistically
also what are your thoughts on Kyndy and their readslist? afaik the last time you explained your SR on them was because they were primarily fluffposting, but that was pre-list.
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In post 505, Raskolnikov wrote:I'm not going to explicitly explain why the way zyf replaced in is good while we have 2 pending replaces, of which at least one IS scum barring one of my townreads being wrong.
Selective information. Okay. UNVOTE: Rask
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Okay, I see. Well, might as well revise my read list.
Town to scum
Infinity - probably town
Gally - decently town
LUV - decently town
Skold - slight town
Rask - slight town
Blackadder - null
Kyndy - null/slight scum
Zyf - slight scum
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In post 512, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay, I see. Well, might as well revise my read list.
Town to scum
Infinity - probably town
Gally - decently town
LUV - decently town
Skold - slight town
Rask - slight town
Blackadder - null
Kyndy - null/slight scum
Zyf - slight scum
Why am i still slightscum?
Gut?
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In post 505, Raskolnikov wrote:I'm not going to explicitly explain why the way zyf replaced in is good while we have 2 pending replaces, of which at least one IS scum barring one of my townreads being wrong.
your townreads have a pretty high chance of not being perfect right now
purely mathematically AND statistically
So cheeky... do you automatically assume I'm a bad town player because you played with my scumgame?
Obviously mathematically and statistically is WORSE than reads unless you assume the opposite (that someone is so bad at scumhunting they're more likely to vote scum by rolling dice). Which is probably something skold would say
Also even ignoring any townread accuracy the pure chance just one of the replaces is scum is significant enough for the principle to hold, though tbh I forgot combinatrics.
You keep doing this thing where it's like you disagree with a detail of something but don't contest the point I make and it's like WHY
In post 508, Zyf wrote:also what are your thoughts on Kyndy and their readslist? afaik the last time you explained your SR on them was because they were primarily fluffposting, but that was pre-list.
I can say this because she's gone now! From meta I've seen kyndy is really lynchbaity and even surface-level reads or shallow game pov isn't necessarily AI for her. Which is why I wanted her to answer my questions... I think she's the type you have to pressure to see her actually give something indicative or reveal her fake thought processes (although you have to be careful what's actually relevant given how she pretty much always looks scummy on the surface) but so much for that. The slot's still nullscum for that entrance but I'll have to pretty much start over reading the replacement. It's still worth looking at for me though if only because of the townreads elsewhere.
In post 505, Raskolnikov wrote:I'm not going to explicitly explain why the way zyf replaced in is good while we have 2 pending replaces, of which at least one IS scum barring one of my townreads being wrong.
your townreads have a pretty high chance of not being perfect right now
purely mathematically AND statistically
So cheeky... do you automatically assume I'm a bad town player because you played with my scumgame?
Obviously mathematically and statistically is WORSE than reads unless you assume the opposite (that someone is so bad at scumhunting they're more likely to vote scum by rolling dice). Which is probably something skold would say
Also even ignoring any townread accuracy the pure chance just one of the replaces is scum is significant enough for the principle to hold, though tbh I forgot combinatrics.
You keep doing this thing where it's like you disagree with a detail of something but don't contest the point I make and it's like WHY
In post 508, Zyf wrote:also what are your thoughts on Kyndy and their readslist? afaik the last time you explained your SR on them was because they were primarily fluffposting, but that was pre-list.
I can say this because she's gone now! From meta I've seen kyndy is really lynchbaity and even surface-level reads or shallow game pov isn't necessarily AI for her. Which is why I wanted her to answer my questions... I think she's the type you have to pressure to see her actually give something indicative or reveal her fake thought processes (although you have to be careful what's actually relevant given how she pretty much always looks scummy on the surface) but so much for that. The slot's still nullscum for that entrance but I'll have to pretty much start over reading the replacement. It's still worth looking at for me though if only because of the townreads elsewhere.
no i'm saying if you guys have the nerve to say I'm overconfident it's highly hypocritical to believe you've solved the game halfway through Day 1.
in other words i don't trust you and your PoE/confidence reads aren't very convincing
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Wtf don't confuse me with infinity. I did not talk down ANYTHING of what you did or said you were even overconfident. Just that I didn't personally agree.
i think that since my reads have shifted a pretty relatively high amount this is in order
Conftown: me lol
Town: infinity, skold, rask(80%)
nulltown that probably deserves to be in null: kyndy's slot, LUV
null: late!adder
scum that's becoming townier: Gamma
gutscum: gallynukes, rask(20%)
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In post 522, Raskolnikov wrote:Wtf don't confuse me with infinity. I did not talk down ANYTHING of what you did or said you were even overconfident. Just that I didn't personally agree.
not really relevant to the point anyway, I still think there's a pretty low chance you've got the game solved
and that's assuming you're town
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