Mini Normal 1827 - No Flavor Mafia (Game Over)

[Creature]

Good, I have a N0 guilty peek on you.

VOTE: xyzzy

[Creature]

Hi KTS, I thought you were going to obvtown.

[Creature]

Hi light_ganski

[Creature]

If scum use daytalk right, any interaction or 'slip' can be fake.

Where does it say that scum have day talk?

lol

[Creature]

Jordarrian

Someone got a guilty on you.

[Creature]

VOTE: Jordarrian

[Creature]

lol ToS

Give me your 5 biggest townreads and 2000 words-reasons for each.
Give me your 2 biggest scumreads and 2000 words-reasons for each.
Comment what do you think about that stupid fight here.

[Creature]

Tos is kind of fun, but it's too easy because most of the players are horrible

We were talking about the FM ToS.

Funny as there's so many overpowered roles there and town still manages to lose most of the games.

[Creature]

*there are

[Creature]

Yeah if the scum team are any good daytalk is more powerful than a PR so we probably have a few

I would like to point out that the fact scum have day talk is in the setup on page one encase anyone miss's it and thinks this is a scum slip.

We know, you don't need to whiteknight him.

[Creature]

I guess what I should do is go; Confirmed town, Extreme town, Strong Town, Town, Slight Scum, Scum.

I do town, leaning town and null-scum.

[Creature]

I've decided to obvious town this game because I feel like it, meaning I'm going to destroy any of you who are scum. I apologize, but this is now a no-fun zone. RVS will be allowed within the first two pages, and then you'll be eliminated.

[Creature]

Does this mean everybody who has posted besides Jordarrian is town?

[Creature]

lol if I were scum I wouldn't simply join the wagon like this.

[Creature]

VOTE: Io

I am not seeing xyzzy as scum.

[Creature]

Protip: You won't sort me out with pressure.

[Creature]

If you can point the difference between my townplay and my scumplay, you gain my trust for today.

[Creature]

Scummy or awkward?

[Creature]

Let's see:

Scum would want to make their posts less awkward.

Town is usually awkward at beginning.

[Creature]

Additionally; If you feel XYZZY is not scum you should expand why you feel that way else your just saying words. Its why when I said I was starting to get someone I felt was scummy I purposely left out who because I don't really have more than GUT on that side as there isn't that great of stuff going on.

Either, I don't have anything more than say other than "was there when she could lurk"

[Creature]

You have more scumleans than the usual number of scum (3).

[Creature]

Naomi

If you do like explanations, why not do some of them yourself?

[Creature]

Naomi

If you do like explanations, why not do some of them yourself?

*poofs*

[Creature]

Let's go, 81 is a huge filler.

[Creature]

Jordarrian

Someone got a guilty on you.

lol

[Creature]

First part is filler
Second part is fluff, no opinions on who townslipped.
Third part, no actual scum hunting.
Not sure on the Fourth Part.

[Creature]

The fact Io hasn't voted anyone isn't scummy.

[Creature]

1. xyzzy

2. Transcend

3. light_ganski
4. massive

5. Jordarrian
6. Killthestory
7. BlackStar
8. Creature

9. Skelda
10. Vedith
11. pistachi0n
12. Io

13. Naomi-Tan

[Creature]

Oh nice, I didn't scum hunt so I can't scum hunt someone who isn't scum hunting.

[Creature]

The only case that's valid against me is: Am I being too cautious?

[Creature]

Also, I remember I said you not voting

isn't

scummy.

[Creature]

Io

I already found your post weird, but I wanted someone to see what others thought first.

[Creature]

tbh I am more trying to make this less boring than scum hunting. It's hard when there isn't much to work from.

My gut's telling we should quicklynch one of massive, Skelda and pistachi0n as they haven't done anything.

[Creature]

Io

I'll treat you as Smithereens 2.0 for now.

[Creature]

aka "the gal I want to call their vote on me bad but prob not scummy"

First Thoughts: 'Damn 3 pages already this game is hella active'
*reads the game*
3 people engaged in small chat... :\


VOTE: Creature
Somewhat serious vote, not entirely RVS. There's absolutely no way you're getting a town read from the very first post a person makes in the game. If you could I'd just copy/paste that post everywhere I went as scum and you'd be none the wiser. Possible that Creature is buddying, I don't like how he talks about 'early town activity' or some shit like that as if he's trying to seem a part of it.

This post fits perfectly a scum being opportunistic. Robbnva is having problems with early townreads, so what would stop scum from supporting him and make stupid lynches?

[Creature]

I'll just pretend I am playing Mini 1805 and I already know who scum is, but I have to associate 1805 players with the players here.

[Creature]

I am actually tempted to whiteknight Io.

[Creature]

UNVOTE:

Skelda/pistachi0n/massive

Believe me or not, I am scum reading all of them already. If not them, then Vedith.

[Creature]

I expected him to say something already, that's why I am scum reading him.

[Creature]

Yes, I think that, at least most of my reads are based on activity.

Skelda would probably make a longer post rather than a simply "going to catch up"

pistachi0n would've commented on something, not just left a naked RVS vote.

massive would post something.

[Creature]

I am actually tempted to whiteknight Io.

I don even know what that means.

Hard defend someone.

[Creature]

I do care, at least pistachi0n and Skelda knows about the game.

[Creature]

She thinks the scum team is KTS/Naomi/BlackStar

[Creature]

My defense:

Meta me:
Newbie 1715
Mini 1805
Newbie 1725

[Creature]

Because you're basically describing how I played in these games.

[Creature]

Let's make it simpler:

How many games you played in this site so far?

[Creature]

Let's make it simpler:

How many games you played in this site so far?

6 complete games.

Isn't that enough games to know it's easy to make a huge post containing all flaws someone made?

[Creature]

The problem is that everyone makes flaws, town much more than scum.

[Creature]

This is why Post by Post Analysis isn't effective.

[Creature]

So how do you expect town to post? Like gods?

[Creature]

Sheeping isn't scummy (specially this early), it can be town-motivated or scum-motivated.

If you notice, my posts have some reaction tests and jokes inside. Common for town that wants to push the game earlier. Uncommon for scum that's concentrated to not get attention.

[Creature]

I can't do it, attention like this would break me down as scum.

[Creature]

I don't like when someone acts like "everything can be faked", how would the game work? Stay in the shadows and wait someone make a flaw?

[Creature]

Solid case

How?

I understand Naomi and Io are inexperienced and never played with me, but you are different.

[Creature]

Oh right

[Creature]

but they do because most of the people here know how god tier my reads are.

Vote Count 1.3

Creature (5): xyzzy, light_ganski, Io, Transcend, Naomi-Tan
BlackStar (2): Vedith, pistachi0n
Jordarrian (1): killthestory
Transcend (1): BlackStar
killthestory (1): Skelda

Not Voting (3): massive, Jordarrian, Creature

With 13 votes it takes 7 to lynch

Day ends in (expired on 2016-09-09 11:30:00)

Prodding massive

[Creature]

If they think your reads are godtier, apparently they're not interested on them.

[Creature]

light_ganski
massive
Vedith
pistachi0n

Would easily wagon any of these

[Creature]

He's there because I could easily see him as scum.

[Creature]

light_ganski
massive
Vedith
pistachi0n

Would easily wagon any of these

I can understand why you said light and Vedith, but not the other two. Can you explain your reads?

massive is null.

I didn't decide on pistachi0n yet.

Everybody else has done something that I find town.

[Creature]

I scumread nullreads and I believe town!massive would've done something.

Also, don't come with "Lynch all Liars"

[Creature]

If this helps, I scumread anyone I am not townreading.

[Creature]

Not doing anything scummy is easy, being towny isn't.

[Creature]

Inactive slots are still scum candidates (stronger than townreads).

[Creature]

Okay fine

I would actually suggest to wagon massive only when I know he's around, the list was "players I would show no resistance to wagon"

[Creature]

It's about time to dissipate this wagon and actually look where everyone was when this wagon formed.

[Creature]

Black is town.

[Creature]

I can at least make a proper case against light_ganski and Vedith, aka they're hiding in the shadow.

[Creature]

VOTE: Vedith

[Creature]

Yh you guys all look town from this

There are scum in jordarrian vedith + creature. Maybe blackstar too

VOTE: Creature

lol that's self-explanatory

[Creature]

He's prob distancing Vedith here.

[Creature]

Town - KTS, Naomi, Transcend, Xyzzy, maybe Io, Pistachi0n
Scum - Creature, vedith
Dunno - jordarrian, blackstar

He tagged KTS, Naomi and Transcend as town because he wouldn't want to 1v1 then.

I wonder how he got to xyzzy and pistachi0n.

[Creature]

Could that argument not also apply to you though?

It could, but it sounds more like the "Vote: Townie FoS: Buddy"

[Creature]

light_ganski + Vedith + Xyzzy/pistachi0n/Jordarrian?

[Creature]

Scum on my wagon so far: light_ganski

[Creature]

xyzzy, you have posts you dislike from a bunch of people, did you decide which of them is scum?

[Creature]

16 pages is nothing compared to some of the games i've been in recently

aka game starts fall asleep

THIRTY MOTHERFUCKING PAGES

I have a bunch of mid-strong townreads, but I want to wait some of these reads post a little more.

[Creature]

and gimmick were annoying and I was okay policy lynching her for a bit. But then she dropped the gimmick. I hate third party gimmick accounts.

Not doing anything scummy is easy, being towny isn't.

... are these not the same things?[/quote]
Almost that, but you can avoid looking scum by staying in the shadows or pretending to be contributing, but actually posting like town would isn't easy to fake.

[Creature]

Town!Vedith wouldn't take so long to start posting content and then proceed to tunnel someone.

[Creature]

Okay, brb

[Creature]

k I noticed your general activity was lower in the latest days.

[Creature]

Question

Have you played with Vedith before?

[Creature]

Question

Have you

played

with Vedith before?

[Creature]

Hi

[Creature]

Not even KTS is hunting scum like he promised.

[Creature]

510 is beyond scum capacity.

[Creature]

VOTE: Killthestory

[Creature]

No, I don't.

[Creature]

What do you think about KTS?

[Creature]

Define "scum capacity" then

to fake posts.

[Creature]

List of people that aren't gamesolving:
Jordarrian
Killthestory
Skelda
pistachi0n
Io

[Creature]

At least the ones that aren't pushing their opinions.

[Creature]

Is game solving super alignment indicative to you?

Yes, if that player isn't gamesolving, it's probably not town motivated.

[Creature]

I think that someone "not solving a game" doesn't ring scum to me. Town and scum are both capable of trolling / being lazy.

Though, I know some town players don't like being tagged down as lazy.

[Creature]

Nothing really changes. I smell bad confbias there.

[Creature]

Nah, he's just a tryhard.

[Creature]

*she

[Creature]

Though, I believe this is some troll alt.

[Creature]

No and no, I am townreading her.

[Creature]

Hey what's up hopefully I will have some decent things to say later tonight or at the very latest tomorrow!

Sorry. I'll make an effort tomorrow.

Oh nice, I'll have to wait an entire day for these.

[Creature]

1. xyzzy
2. Transcend

3. light_ganski
4. massive
5. Seraphim
6. Killthestory

7. BlackStar
8. Creature

9. Skelda
10. Vedith

11. Blitzkrieg
12. Io
13. Naomi-Tan

[Creature]

VOTE: Skelda

He's prod-dodging too much.

[Creature]

The KTS vote was good.

[Creature]

Nvm, Blitzkrieg is townreading KTS

[Creature]

Okay, unscratch Blitzkrieg for now.

[Creature]

1. xyzzy
2. Transcend

3. light_ganski - Null
4. massive - Null
5. Seraphim - Null
6. Killthestory - Scummy

7. BlackStar
8. Creature

9. Skelda - Scummy
10. Vedith - Scummy

11. Blitzkrieg
12. Io
13. Naomi-Tan

[Creature]

Oh woops, she's null for now.

[Creature]

Well, we can:
1. Start coordinating a lynch so we don't have to deal with deadline lynches (we have 7 days, better safe than sorry).
2. Force Skelda and/or Seraphim to catch up.
3. Look at the playerlist and find lurkers.
4. Wagon analysis.
5. Start chanting weird cases around.

[Creature]

xyzzy

[Creature]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Creature]

Hi Skelda

[Creature]

Don't worry, I didn't forget you, Seraphim.

[Creature]

I have motivation for this game.

[Creature]

Yes, you got a couple of days to at least try to contribute.

[Creature]

So you were just unmotivated?

[Creature]

Ok

Saw the gap of posts.

[Creature]

Seraphim ignored this thread.

Noted

[Creature]

Weird thought; what is all the most active players are town? and the scum are just letting us fight each other?

I have this mindset in likely every game, this is why I think activity is AI.

Though, sometimes I wonder, what if one of the scum managed to position very well between us and I am tagging that scum as obvtown?

[Creature]

Thats pretty much how i'm reading it, though this may change if they do a larger scale update in the next few days.

So what do you think now?

[Creature]

VOTE: light_ganski

[Creature]

Blitzkrieg

How did you reach Jordarrian?

[Creature]

For some reason I feel like there's scum in Jord's wagon even if Jord turns out to be scum.

[Creature]

I am townreading Transcend and BlackStar, so if there is, it must be KTS.

[Creature]

Are you DGB?

[Creature]

Some town players tend to post so terribly it's hard to believe they are scum.

[Creature]

BlackStar

Didn't Vedith do the same?

[Creature]

Okay, I'll analyse BlackStar.

[Creature]

Still think BlackStar is pretty much town.

[Creature]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=64831

[Creature]

I like to link games so someone else can see and get to a conclusion.

[Creature]

I usually meta and try to get to a conclusion when I can't with normal play.

[Creature]

If I am going to lynch BlackStar, it'll be either by a meta argument as to why he isn't necessarily town or gut.

So far my gut is telling BlackStar is town.

[Creature]

I'm sorry my predecessor sucked. I will try my damnedest to be a forthright member of the town, full of insight and good arguments. I

I'm about 20 pages in and almost caught up but I'm fairly convinced we should lynch light. Pretty obvious target for obvscum and a good D1 lynch regardless.

Transcend is town for having a lot of the same reads as me (not identical, but close enough as I read that I can feel his thought process).

Naomi is town b/c her playstyle is basically impossible to fake as scum. I was reading the game and figured this was the case and took a gander at her scum games and was basically proven correct. Transcend was convinced early on that Naomi was a gimmick account and while her posting style (i.e. as a 16-year old girl) is fairly annoying, I actually think she is acting like that which means that as scum it will be nearly impossible to replicate. Which means that she's town in this game, otherwise her posting would look way more fake.

Creature is also town and I would put down money that there is at least one scum on the Creature wagon. Light jumps out as an obvious candidate for a few reasons.

Here we see a textbook example of bullshit scum post. This is not a real case. It's not even a real PBPA. It's just a summary of posting with the word scummy thrown in now and again for shits and giggles.

This post sucks. Site meta must really be going down the tubes when a post like this doesn't get bandwagoned straight out the gate.

This post is exactly the sort of distancing tactic I would expect from scum with daytalk. In fact, the whole Vedith/light interaction on pages 19-20 stinks of two scum players coordinating a distancing interaction, not just that single post. Highly recommended reading.

Obviously I think Vedith is scum too and I think a Vedith/light_ganski scumteam is incredibly likely simply based on their interactions above.

Unvote
Vote: light_ganski

P-EDIT: no I am not ignoring the thread, likely I was looking at my phone. I try not to post from my phone, but I do use my phone to keep abreast of game events while working to post from my computer. I will only post from my phone if I have the time/patience to type it out and it's a short response. A big grand catch up post is not going to get done on my phone.

I also don't think this is bussing.

[Creature]

Wished we could townblock, if we can agree with each other:

• xyzzy - I don't think light_ganski would join my wagon right after his partner (this only applies if light_ganski flips scum).
  
• Transcend
  
• Seraphim - His catch-up was solid.
  
• BlackStar
  
• Creature - Why not?
  
• Blitzkrieg - Genuinely town
  
• Naomi-Tan

xyzzy would need to be look at further though

[Creature]

Then who else should we add?

[Creature]

Please delete the SM post mod.

Haha

[Creature]

light_ganski
massive
Killthestory
Skelda
Vedith
Io

[Creature]

I'd not mind lynching these.

[Creature]

He probably died on a car crash.

[Creature]

It's not funny when half the playerlist posts so little it's hard to determine scum.

[Creature]

Is it fakeclaiming a guilty?

[Creature]

Oh right, xyzzy's vote was RVS so he could hide behind that.

[Creature]

Yes!

[Creature]

Told you BlackStar was town.

[Creature]

So I am going to see light's ISO

[Creature]

Hmm jordarrian and naomi are null-scum leaning but it's too early to pin them down, naomi more for the subtle white knighting and buddying than for 48. Would say the same of vedith but I know from experience he's a scummy scumbag even as town but IGMEOY

Yh you guys all look town from this

There are scum in jordarrian vedith + creature. Maybe blackstar too

Did this thread breed while I was asleep or something

ATM readslist:

Town - KTS, Naomi, Transcend, Xyzzy,

maybe

Io, Pistachi0n
Scum - Creature, vedith
Dunno - jordarrian, blackstar

@ Transcend why is xyzzy scum (other than 'posts don't seem genuine') because I just don't see it

Nah Vedith, I've seen you as town, and this doesn't strike me as town vedith. The fact you've been ill doesn't cut it, last time I played with you there was clear town motivation in the madness. Can't see any now. VOTE: Vedith, rn I think you + creature as scum makes some sense.

Hi I'm not dead

Reads:

{Naomi, Transcend}
{Xyzzy}
{KTS}
{Skelda, massive, Io}
{blackstar}
{Vedith, creature}

Still gotta ISO the new people

@Mod - I though I'd changed my vote to vedith in 495

[Creature]

Jordarrian/Naomi-Tan looks bad on the first post.

[Creature]

I suspect distancing in post 140, probably Vedith.

[Creature]

Okay then

VOTE: Seraphim

[Creature]

Man, I don't want to lose this game. I already lost games where town lynched almost the entire scum at early game and still managed to lose.

[Creature]

I wonder where's Jordarrian on 747

[Creature]

Io went from townlean to null

Wow

[Creature]

Io
Seraphim
Skelda
massive
Vedith

Currently seeing these as scum candidates.

[Creature]

UNVOTE: Seraphim

Oh nvm we have a good time

[Creature]

I forgot to include KTS

[Creature]

When I look at Seraphim's ISO, it doesn't strike me as distancing/bussing.

[Creature]

Abnormal roles tend to be roles with some cool new abilities that aren't bastard.

[Creature]

VOTE: Vedith

It looks like light and Vedith were distancing.

[Creature]

Men lol

[Creature]

I am going to ask someone.

[Creature]

Who knows everything about normal guidelines?

[Creature]

You're never wrong?

[Creature]

Okay.

VOTE: Seraphim

[Creature]

I really want to lynch Vedith, Seraphim is obvtowning, but I am afraid that Blitzkrieg won't listen to us until her scumreads are lynched.

[Creature]

What do you think about Io?

[Creature]

Also, that'd be good if I could wake up tomorrow and still discuss who should be the D1 lynch and the rest of the scum team.

[Creature]

Fuck my townread on xyzzy.

VOTE: xyzzy

[Creature]

296 isn't even a defense.

[Creature]

Blitzkrieg won't admit she was wrong.

[Creature]

We could kill Skelda

[Creature]

I wouldn't be surprised if Blitz was actually McMenno.

[Creature]

About time.

[Creature]

Vedith posting elsewhere.

Noted

[Creature]

Light_ganski,

Mafia Goon,

has been killed day 1

Vote Count 1.8

Not Voting (12): xyzzy, Transcend, massive, Seraphim, Killthestory, BlackStar, Creature, Skelda, Vedith, Blitzkrieg, Io, Naomi-Tan

With 12 votes it takes 7 to lynch

Day ends in (expired on 2016-09-09 11:30:00)

[Creature]

I noticed Jordarrian was scum in his other two games.

[Creature]

Anyone against xyzzy lynch?

[Creature]

well idk now

Can we lynch xyzzy?

[Creature]

Does Titus usually throws shade at who's logically conftown?

[Creature]

Is it possible xyzzy and Seraphim are distancing themselves?

[Creature]

We had this game pretty much locked, but then everybody went like:
"Let's lynch X!"
"Nah, X is town! Let's lynch Y!"
"Y is town! And so is X! Let's lynch Z!"
"Wow you're so bad!"

[Creature]

Is there any way we can agree on a lynch?

[Creature]

xyzzy was last online today morning, isn't this enough to be a scumclaim?

[Creature]

I thought about forcing both to claim.

[Creature]

So should we hammer or force Seraphim to claim too?

[Creature]

Okay, if you're town, tell everything you have to tell.

[Creature]

Blitz, xyzzy claimed VT already.

[Creature]

Okay, let's force Seraphim to claim, if he doesn't the next time he's online, we take that as a scumclaim.

[Creature]

Poxa

[Creature]

xyzzy already claimed.

Seraphim should claim.

[Creature]

Bah whatever

[Creature]

Guess we should take a look at Io.

[Creature]

Hey Transcend, you must know Io better, is she being town this game?

[Creature]

I want to Kill Kill some time.

[Creature]

Oh right, why are we townreading Vedith again?

[Creature]

Should we stick to xyzzy or go for someone like KTS/Vedith?

[Creature]

What about Lurkthestory?

[Creature]

Actually, KTS didn't visit this forum much recent ago, but Vedith did.

[Creature]

xyzzy
massive
Seraphim
Killthestory
Skelda
Vedith

Hopefully these don't live to LyLo (unless they're somewhat confirmed).

[Creature]

You can always replace out.

[Creature]

Hi Transcend