You'll have to be more specific... I've explained my defense of Cicero so you either need to elaborate your question or quit being deliberately obtuse.skruffs wrote:Pwayne - what is the reasoning behind your defense of cicero throughout day one and so on?
The answer here doesn't require a PhD. We need proof prior to lynching to avoid a mislynch. Why do you want us to lynch without proof? ...is a more compelling question.skruffs wrote:I mean, why are you pushing so hard for 'proof' of cicero -
I'm not sure asking you what makes you think that he is scummy means that I am not considering him. I know that you have an aversion to answering questions, but please- what makes you think that I am not considering him? I haven't said that I don't think he is scum. And why, instead of defending your position, do you vote for the person that asked you to? Are you trying to bully me into believing that I am scum with Cicero? That's weird... Why not ask everybody else why they don't think so?skruffs wrote:why aren't you even considering it? Your last post "Looking for compelling reasoning" tells me you have no interest in looking at cicero
Your the one with the raging hard on over a pwayne/cicero scumpair. I think that means it is your responsibility to prove it, b/c I don't see it. You haven't, you can't, and now you refuse to so instead of trying, you vote for me.skruffs wrote:- that you want to be told how and why he is scummy, that you have, again, cleared him. Why?
Yes. We know. Someone tell Skruffs. :pToaster Strudel wrote:Actually, pwayne, in my experience, the scum is vicious with each other, especially on Day 1. They might want to throw in a townie or two to mix things up, but generally they hit the ground with distancing.
If they are not vicious; they tend to protect each other only mildly, and mixed in with some accusations.
They rarely buddy up.
I find this very interesting. (If you've done a reread you'll notice that I have been pushing strongly for a BM/Kakeng lynch). What do you think of page 33 post 806?Toaster Strudel wrote:HackerHuck and Skruffs don't look too good. But Gorgon actually VOTED for hackerHuck (Kakeng) so that's the biggest evidence of distancing.
vote: HackerHuck
Different methods, same conclusion. Dare to vote.shaka!! wrote:I find this very interesting. (If you've done a reread you'll notice that I have been pushing strongly for a BM/Kakeng lynch). What do you think of page 33 post 806?Toaster Strudel wrote:HackerHuck and Skruffs don't look too good. But Gorgon actually VOTED for hackerHuck (Kakeng) so that's the biggest evidence of distancing.
vote: HackerHuck
Skruffs is about as far from a newb as you can get. He's a moderator on the site with a 2005 join date.ChocolateAttack wrote:No offense but Skruff seem newb. His logic always weak and i have the feeling that he more newb than scum.
I will reread HackerHuck, and Theo tomorrow. It late now, i just got of from work, too tire to do anything major reading now. Night night guys!
But more importantly, where's your vote for HackerHuck? We need some momentum.cicero wrote:Skruffs is about as far from a newb as you can get. He's a moderator on the site with a 2005 join date.
I took this from his scumdar and i kinda feel uneasy about this. He said that Gorgon worries him but he a good player, he confusing but it just maybe. So what was he trying to said about Gorgon, scum or not scum?theopor_COD wrote:Gorgon - This guy worries me in several games, I think he's a good player, but is he posting loads to confuse us all, hmm maybe.
I agree. I've been bugged by the "Theopor" factor for some time now. But dont know what to do about it.CA wrote: I took this from his scumdar and i kinda feel uneasy about this. He said that Gorgon worries him but he a good player, he confusing but it just maybe. So what was he trying to said about Gorgon, scum or not scum?
On the other hand, Gorgon commented him as a good player and they never touch on each other, a very smart distancing.
What I'd like to see is a case supporting your opinions. Right now they look thrown together at random. If you are townie and are lynched at some point it will be because of your bad play. And this town doesn't need anymore of that crap.Toaster Strudel wrote:In addition to HH, I'd like to see a theo lynch.
But if you want to bandwagon me instead of either of these two far better candidates, be my guest. I'm a vanilla townie, so you if you're going to lynch a townie, it might as well be me. It's better than going after a player that might be a power role. Do I have a defense? No. If you want to eliminate me, I will offer no resistance.
If you're vanilla it's usually a lost cause. Resistance is useless and I don't waste my time, I've learnt that over the years. And when I am vanilla, I would rather be the lynch, than lose us the cop, the doctor, etc. Then after I die the town can see who pushed for my lynch. And as people push for my lynch, I remain on the attack, so that the town can clearly see who might have more reasons to lynch me. That's my vanilla strategy and I won't change it.cicero wrote:It is the duty of townies to offer resistance to their own bandwagons.
Hey, that's all I am doing here. My gut reaction to HH's latest is "scum." Vote stays.cicero wrote:You need to help us lynch the right person and avoid lynching the wrong person.
This works if say, townies don't have a good reason to suspect you. Thing is, if you get lynched for pushing a lynch with crappy or no logic, and turn up vanilla, we have another quandary... deciding whether those on your wagon were scum, or just townies reacting as townies ought to respond to a scummy move. Your logic here fails. We learn nothing from your lynch.TS wrote:Then after I die the town can see who pushed for my lynch. And as people push for my lynch, I remain on the attack, so that the town can clearly see who might have more reasons to lynch me. That's my vanilla strategy and I won't change it.
Wha what? Are you going to present your case or are you going to keep insisting that I am scummy for not understanding what you are saying and ignoring everything I said? This is getting old. If you have questions ask them. If you want me to defend myself, present a case. If you are just in need of attention, you will have to shift gears because I am the only one that is giving it to you... and that is about to change.Skruffs wrote:You seem to be ignoring the case I have made and using the 'gorgon, pwayne, and cicero never directly talked to each other' part of it.
Why do you pretend not to be able to read for context? I want people here that want to be here ideally, however, I begged Shaka not to replace and clearly didnt mean it about getting him modkilled. I was making an obvious point about the frustrating situation here. It's hard to play with someone who plays stupid all the time in furtherance of a narrow minded agenda.Skruffs wrote: Cicero- you don't want shaka to ask for a replacement, but you (half-jokingly) want him modkilled? Why would you suggest eliminating 4 people at once, potentially putting town in an unwinnable situation: 2 mafia and 1 sk w/ no power roles?
I no longer think anyone is definitely town. Gorgon cured me of that affliction. Scum could be anyone in this game. As evidenced by the fact that we can't agree on a wagon.skruffs wrote: Also - who else would you say is "def town" like gorgon was? If you're not going to posit who think is scum and instead just death death death, at least say who you think isn't scum.
Nice list. First - Somestrangeflea isn't on it. You are going out of your way not to talk about him I think. I hardly think you can have missed that while I am your pet scum, he is mine. Where does he fit in your list?Skruffs wrote: My scumlist: pwayne, cicero, hacker huck
Less scummy:
Choc.att., ts, shaka
Not on the scumdar:
Theopor, skruffs