Micro 635 - 09:12 (Game Over)

Aristophanes · Post Post #600 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:34 pm

What was your action last night DLA?

Ümläüt · Post Post #601 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:34 pm

Day 2 mylo, awesome.

Obviously, anyone who wasn't around last night needs to say ASAP if they have a counterclaim to DLA.

Should we lynch today?

Ümläüt · Post Post #602 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:48 pm

EBWOP: not last night, but in the last hours of D1.

DarkLightA · Post Post #603 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:01 pm

In post 600, Aristophanes wrote:What was your action last night DLA?

Before I reveal this I'd like you to guess. Who do you think I targetted last night?

(I'm serious)

Aristophanes · Post Post #604 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:02 am

In post 603, DarkLightA wrote:
In post 600, Aristophanes wrote:What was your action last night DLA?
Before I reveal this I'd like you to guess. Who do you think I targetted last night?

(I'm serious)

Probably nobody, as you did mention wanting to save it.

Am I right?

DarkLightA · Post Post #605 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:49 am

No you are not. Strike one.

Try again.

eagerSnake · Post Post #606 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:31 am

Wanting to save it? As far as I see he can not be a one-shot so what would he be saving?

Did you target Vedith?

DarkLightA · Post Post #607 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:44 am

I'm asking Aristophanes, not you.

Ümläüt · Post Post #608 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 9:56 am

Actually this is pretty easy from my perspective. Assuming no one counterclaims DLA:

I'm not scum
DLA isn't scum
I highly doubt Snake or GL is scum

Therefore Aristophanes and ASP are scum.

Pseudovote: ASP

(Don't want to real-vote in mylo until we've talked more.)

GuiltyLion · Post Post #609 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:36 pm

yeah my eye is on ASP today, although I'll wait for the full story about DLA's night actions to come out

Aristophanes · Post Post #610 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:15 pm

Actually, based on your reads, probably me?

*shrugs*

Ümläüt · Post Post #611 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 8:30 pm

Based on the existence of a blocking PR I say we should lynch. If we don't lynch we most likely just lose said PR tonight and don't learn anything from it, giving us no better odds tomorrow. Whereas if we do lynch, and hit scum, with luck our PR can prevent the NK and take us back out of mylo.

Apologies if this is obvious.

DarkLightA · Post Post #612 (ISO) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:05 am

Alright, let's dig in.

My role is roleblocker. This means mafia either have a rolecop or a 1-shot strongman.
I'm assuming it's clear, but to drive it into the ground: BTD6 used his babysitter role as a makeshift vigilante and took Vedith down with him.

I did indeed block Aristophanes tonight. The reason I led the questioning the way I did was that I suspected that Aristophanes may be a rolecop. In this case he would receive no result and know that I blocked him.

What put me on this scent was his first post today:

In post 600, Aristophanes wrote:What was your action last night DLA?

To me, this looks *very* suspicious. I have not yet claimed anything but a PR, and he's asking for an action claim as opposed to a role claim. Assume for a second that my rolecop theory is correct: Aristophanes knows he's been targeted, and wants to feign ignorance as far as possible. In this post, he is however revealing that he is more interested in the action than the role as far as I can tell.

Moving on, post 2:

In post 604, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 603, DarkLightA wrote:
In post 600, Aristophanes wrote:What was your action last night DLA?
Before I reveal this I'd like you to guess. Who do you think I targetted last night?

(I'm serious)
Probably nobody, as you did mention wanting to save it.

Am I right?

Ugh.
1. There is literally no reason for me to want to save it. I had to go back to see what he was referring to, and I see how what I said (I was talking about saving my hard claim) could be misinterpreted, but this contradicts:
2. He is clearly interested and invested in this, enough that he either went back and read or remembered I'd said that (I didn't remember...). At that level of interest I would assume he is acutely aware of the setup, which reveals that there are no roles you would want to "save".

In post 610, Aristophanes wrote:Actually, based on your reads, probably me?

*shrugs*

Alright, this is what I was going for originally. I would have preferred the option being alive of me being e.g. doctor, but it'll have to suffice.
I'm either JK or RB. Can we assume Aristophanes knows this? I think so, even though the second post leaves questions unanswered. The thing is, in this post he completely ignores the possibility of me being JK and using my role as a defensive role. You could say it's a logical conclusion from the night kill, but Aristophanes shows no signs of making this conclusion in his post.

The thing is, throughout this day I've felt like Aristophanes' posts are based around the knowledge that I had targeted him tonight. I may be wrong, but I find it awfully suspicious.

DarkLightA · Post Post #613 (ISO) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:06 am

In post 611, Ümläüt wrote:Based on the existence of a blocking PR I say we should lynch. If we don't lynch we most likely just lose said PR tonight and don't learn anything from it, giving us no better odds tomorrow. Whereas if we do lynch, and hit scum, with luck our PR can prevent the NK and take us back out of mylo.

Apologies if this is obvious.

Yes, absolutely. Furthermore, using the RB role as a cop is dangerous as hell because it can't distinguish between a blocked kill and a no kill.

Ümläüt · Post Post #614 (ISO) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:35 am

I don't get why asking what your action was is suspicious. Seeing BTD's flip makes it clear that you're either a roleblocker or a jailkeeper. Therefore you have an action. Therefore the question is what it was.

(The thing about "saving it" is weird but I don't see how it's scummy-weird, people say dumb things all the time.)

I mean, I think Aristo is scum just by PoE alone, so I don't know why I'm arguing with you, but this doesn't seem like an additional reason to suspect him.

DarkLightA wrote: Furthermore, using the RB role as a cop is dangerous as hell because it can't distinguish between a blocked kill and a no kill.

Right, but even if the existence of an RB causes the mafia to play a no-kill gambit, that's a net gain from having an RB as long as we don't just assume your target is scum.

eagerSnake · Post Post #615 (ISO) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:37 am

Okay so Aristo is scum. Who is the other scum?

Ümläüt · Post Post #616 (ISO) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:40 am

ASP, unless you think it's me or GL.

Ümläüt · Post Post #617 (ISO) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:44 am

Well, I guess the problem with this is that Accountant was pretty heavily invested in ASP-scum yesterday. I don't know if Accountant is the sort of player to mercilessly bus their partner D1 for looking scummy.

eagerSnake · Post Post #618 (ISO) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:45 am

Vedith said ASP was town!bruh

Aristophanes · Post Post #619 (ISO) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:49 am

DLA, I asked that because it was obvious you had either RB or JK, and I was curious who you tried to block/save. Because of your comment, which I took as you saying you were going to save your role, I just assumed they were all 1-shot. Didn't even notice the Strongman role specifies it.

shaddowez · Post Post #620 (ISO) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:34 am

VC 2.1Not voting: GuiltyLion, A Simple Plan, DarkLightA, eagerSnake, Ümläüt, Aristophanes

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-09-10 23:00:00)

Mod Notes: A Simple Plan will be due for a prod in about 8 hours.

A Simple Plan · Post Post #621 (ISO) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:33 am

Sorry for the delay folks. We've got a problem here.

I am the Roleblocker

. I blocked DLA last night because I felt his claim made it more likely he was going to be the one to perform the kill seeing as I didn't get a chance to counter yesterday, and there was a 50/50 shot between him and BTD. With BTD's flip, I know for a fact that it has to be DLA who was bluffing. I tried to hint that I would be able to provide information in 51 when I said I would be more valuable late-game, even if that would only come in the form of whom was roleblocked.

VOTE: DLA

I'm looking at Aristophanes as his partner. 612 is classic bussing.

DarkLightA · Post Post #622 (ISO) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:40 am

Hahah

VOTE: A Simple Plan

DarkLightA · Post Post #623 (ISO) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:43 am

Let me point you in the direction of post 464. Let me now explain to you this awkwardly phrased post.

In post 464, DarkLightA wrote:(...) Look out for me at
17
hrs CET. (...)

Now if you look at every 17th word of the post:

In post 464, DarkLightA wrote:
I
am getting seriously worried about the approaching deadline, and I know there's not much I
can
do about it at this point. Currently, the people who are being voted on is a
block
almost as long as the player list itself.... We have to consolidate onto just a few
players
ASAP. I'm not exactly the best person to push any kind of wagon I'm realizing but
at
least I'll be here to vote on any wagons I agree with before we go to
night
.

A Simple Plan · Post Post #624 (ISO) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:54 am

Nice try. You forced in a fake clue as an afterthought once you were receiving all kinds of pressure late in the day. You figured we wouldn't run up another PR claim that quickly, so you dropped it in there in case someone countered you later on. You were already at L-2 and were the leading wagon with 24 hours left, so if you got out of the line of fire, you wanted something to reference back to at a later point.