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[Froot Loop]

2. You argued that being seen as town is the only reason to soft-claim. This is contradicted by your own reasons that you gave for your softclaim.

What? Well, there was the other reason of not wanring to be protected, but that is not the main reason why and doesn't contradict my argument in a relevant way.

You're pushing Muffin for another reason to soft-claim, despite you giving one. Then, when I highlight this, you say it's not important? Then why were you pushing Muffin? And how could you push Muffin for another reason when you know it exists, because it was one of your reasons?

3. This contradiction:

Because I saw that curiouskarmacycle was softclaiming bodyguard because

my role PM implies the existence of multiple

, and I understood his request not to express town-aligned reads because all bodyguards die if they visit the same target, not just one. And, I am card like The Bulge who you guys lynched for no reason.

(my bold)

There's only reason to crumb when I realized that there could be multiple, when I saw curiouskarmadog's crumb.

That is not a contradiction.

When did you realise there could be multiple? When ckd crumbed? Or when you read your PM?

Okay, but is that what you think,not just something you can think? Are you bodyguard?

Why are you asking these questions?

nah, but with players like froot loop, who just naturally sound off, i like having some basis for comparison

why is froot loop scum

ISO is all noise and questions that she doesn't do anything with, no real pushing or scumhunting

Really? You don't think my conversation with ira is scum-hunting, or the questions I'm asking/points I've made about that, or other comments? Or at least pushing? It's the strongest case that's been presented so far. I don't think this comment has any foundation in my play.

I'll be around now to check in until the deadline - it's daytime here which is good, but I don't know if there's that much activity. I understand Seraph's reason to vote DGB, but it's contradicted by the last game I played with DGB as scum (that was an unusual circumstance though, to be fair - she replaced in as scum and was under pressure) when she was pretty trolly and spammy. I have no experience of Katsuki being lurky as scum so I don't know if this is a tell, for me it would be a lurker lynch. Also, I've got questions about some of the people voting Katsuki, so I don't feel super comfortable voting there either.

ira's played the scummiest so far and a lot of their posts and play don't make sense.

[thenewearth]

Who's?

DGB's

[iraonavp]

thenewearth, I think you are completely missing the point. I am asking that question (which zMuffinMan cannot answer by the way), to prove that zMuffinMan's argument for me being scum-aligned is nonsense and he doesn't believe it.

He says that no town-aligned player crumbs to make themselves look town-aligned, so I challenged him to give another reason why!

[zMuffinMan]

you kinda defeat your own argument when you give other reasons why you supposedly softed your role, as froot loop pointed out

[zMuffinMan]

does anybody have a town read on ankamius

[zMuffinMan]

ISO is all noise and questions that she doesn't do anything with, no real pushing or scumhunting

how much of the game is this not a blanket statement for?

[zMuffinMan]

Can someone else take a look at newearth's iso? I'd like a second opinion.

yeah, sure

you're probably wrong

[zMuffinMan]

@Muffin, what do you think of all the BG claims so far?

that they're all probably bodyguards

Pretty sure iraon is conf scum after taking a second look at the setup post (you'll probably pick up on what my thought process is)

uuuuuuuhhhhhh.... uuuuuummmmmmmm...

er, yeah, i... see what you're seeing... but like, i'm pretty smart... why don't you explain it to the rest of the cretins in this game so they understand what you're talking about...? like i do, of course

I have an idea for testing DGB's alignment, but it's predicated on the fact that there aren't scum blocking roles in this setup.

dgb is probably town

[zMuffinMan]

people i will probably never want to lynch: ckd, vedith, maybe dgb
people who are seraphim and should probably prove their role sooner rather than later (N3 at the latest, preferably): seraphim
people i don't think are scum but wish they'd be more obviouly town: PV, TNE, untrod
people who are more likely town than scum: cupcake, cakez, maybe froot loop, maybe kraska

the rest: spiffeh, ankamius, iraon

[zMuffinMan]

the idea that cupcake lurks more as scum is an interesting idea and one that i think comes from players who have extremely limited experience with him, or have just been miraculously playing in all the games i've never seen more-active-town-cupcake

if you think he's scum, you think he's scum, but really? "lurking" is an incredibly weak justification

[iraonavp]

Look, I just disappeared from scum-aligned reads without a single word! Just trying to avoid confrontation...

[zMuffinMan]

oh, yeah, that's a perfectly reasonable interpretation of my reads

gee, don't know what i was thinking putting you as a town read and thinking nobody would notice

[iraonavp]

What?

[zMuffinMan]

oh, no, nothing

i was just marvelling at your amazing detective skills

i should have known going up against super-sleuth such as yourself was going to be my downfall

what was i thinking?

[zMuffinMan]

anyway, going to sleep. will prob be awake in roughly 7 hours (about 1.5-2 hours before deadline) so if thread's still open i'll write some stuff then

cupcake should probably claim in next post anyway

i don't think i'll be voting anyone outside of { iraon, spiffeh, ankamius } for as long as i'm alive unless something drastic changes or they flip beforehand (what a fucking shocking turn of events it'll be when iraon doesn't die tonight *gasp*)

[thenewearth]

thenewearth, I think you are completely missing the point. I am asking that question

Wait what? But ank was asking right?

[Ankamius]

does anybody have a town read on ankamius

I hope not. I need more excitement in my life.

[DrippingGoofball]

the idea that cupcake lurks more as scum is an interesting idea and one that i think comes from players who have extremely limited experience with him, or have just been miraculously playing in all the games i've never seen more-active-town-cupcake

if you think he's scum, you think he's scum, but really? "lurking" is an incredibly weak justification

Cupcake will be the first to boast of his habit of lurking to victory as scum, he advertises this abundantly.

I've never seen anyone argue with him that it wasn't true, LOL

[Untrod Tripod]

SO HOW ABOUT THAT NO LYNCH YOU FUCKIN SCRUBS

[PeregrineV]

What a weekend.

this wagon on me is horseshit and a giant waste of time. I'm not getting lynched today.

@Muffin, what do you think of all the BG claims so far? Pretty sure iraon is conf scum after taking a second look at the setup post (you'll probably pick up on what my thought process is), and I have an idea for testing DGB's alignment, but it's predicated on the fact that there aren't scum blocking roles in this setup.

Got 4 hours, your the biggest wagon, and your ISO says to lynch you.

Vote: Katsuki

I'll be here all day.

[curiouskarmadog]

VOTE: spiff

this is the 3rd game I have had with him in the row I think. the last two? he was scum, didnt play and replaced out. the only other game i have played with him? he was town and stuck it out.

nah this isn't valid, he was town and replaced out in Mass Effect

yeah that was the one I went back and looked up, thus the unvote.

[curiouskarmadog]

wouldnt it be "funny" if both Iran and Muffin were both scum....you would get my nod as the best scum pairing.

okay...

less than 4 hours.

vote Katsuki.

[curiouskarmadog]

also I think i just hammered....so I am either a hero or highly suspicious.

[kraska77]

damn
this katsuki lynch seems real shitty
looking thru the iso, if this flips town we get no info from this lynch

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 2.5

DrippingGoofball [4] - Seraphim, kraska77, thenewearth x2
iraonavp [3] - zMuffinMan, Katsuki, Froot Loop

Katsuki [8] - Vedith, DrippingGoofball, Ankamius, iraonavp, SirCakez, Untrod Tripod, PeregrineV, curiouskarmadog [LYNCH]

Not Voting [1]

- Spiffeh

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2016-08-29 15:00:00)