Mini Normal 1814 Machiavellian Mafia (Game Over)

[Nero Cain]

What I'm hung up on is BYF's claim. A commuter, especially a two-shot one, is much more believable for town to have based on our flipped PRs. At the same time, it's such a convenient thing for scum to claim because it's super hard to verify and you don't have to provide any results.

And yes, Nero, it's entirely possible for town to have only two PRs when you consider how frickin powerful our flipped PRs are. In some ways a weak doc is better than a cop -- on top of the de facto investigation it gets every night, it can also prevent scum kills. And the JOAT had

six

different abilities, including multiple that can out scum under the right circumstances. It all depends on what scum has.

But I am going to nip over to the archives really quick and gather some data on this.

Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:10 pm

Mini 1517 - The Sun Sets on Duskville
Moderator: Alduskkel
Current Update:

Mafia Win

Players
1. NicCage replaced Illume,

Weak Doctor

, died night 1
2. Albert B. Rampage,

Vanilla Townie

, lynched day 2
3. mastin2 replaced AbboTT,

Roleblocker

, died night 2
4. Mindgamer replaced Amished who replaced Blueberry,

Mafia One-Shot Rolestopper

, survived
5. Espeonage,

Vanilla Townie

, lynched day 1
6. Guyett replaced Haschel Cedricson,

Vanilla Townie

, endgamed day 5
7. FakeGod,

Vanilla Townie

, endgamed day 5
8. Lord Mhork,

Vanilla Townie

, lynched day 5
9. Elyse,

Vanilla Townie

, died night 3
10. Micc,

Vanilla Townie

, endgamed day 5
11. Sir Bastion,

Vanilla Townie

, lynched day 4
12. Thor665,

Mafia Encryptor

, lynched day 3
13. Nachomamma8 replaced jmo16mla,

Mafia One-Shot Ninja

, survived

^Three scum, two town PRs where one of them was unlimited weak doctor. Scum even had an encryptor.

Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:23 pm

It took you 13 minutes to find a 2-3 year old game?

[Nero Cain]

Check again. They're both from 2015.

liar liar pants on fire.

Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:33 pm
^
that is the post date of when the mod posted the op

[MariaR]

O SHOOTS AND LADDERS

[Zap Rowsdower]

Oh that? Yeah, dude. That's way easier than going through your meta, even. Just opened up the mini normal archives and ctrl + f'ed "weak doctor". Found it in like one minute.

[Zap Rowsdower]

liar liar pants on fire.

Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:33 pm
^
that is the post date of when the mod posted the op

I thought you were talking about the meta I dug up on you. Those were from 2015.

[Zap Rowsdower]

I guess you haven't seen this before. It's very useful for setup spec: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=29549

[Nero Cain]

Why introduce only scum games and not any town games?

[gerryoat]

i dont see nero's name in that game

[Zap Rowsdower]

Again, I wasn't testing the theory of whether you'd self-vote as town. I was testing the theory of whether you'd self-vote as scum. That's the place I started from because I've had you as a scumread since the day began.

P-edit: Gerry, that game was just to show that it's possible to have a setup where town only has two PRs. The meta I dug up on Nero is in another post.

[Nero Cain]

He's arguing that b/c a game in 2013 had a weak doctor+encryptor that this must be the same setup.

[BigYoshiFan]

@Mod, I do believe I voted Zap

[gerryoat]

that makes a lot of sense. Actually, i'd say the fact that it was a traitor encryptor and not a mafia encryptor. Also the fact we had a JOAT not a RBer. It's possible the mafia's PRs are weaker and maybe as well

[Zap Rowsdower]

I already explained that it's not that simple, Nero. Here.

[gerryoat]

BYF, doesn't matter you're lynched

[Nero Cain]

Again, I wasn't testing the theory of whether you'd self-vote as town. I was testing the theory of whether you'd self-vote as scum. That's the place I started from because I've had you as a scumread since the day began.

but if I self vote regardless of alignment wouldn't it be null? Why introduce something that only tries to paint me as scum?

[Zap Rowsdower]

It would be null. That doesn't matter.

What matters is that it's not a reason to townread you. Because you do it as scum. That's all I was trying to figure out.

[Zap Rowsdower]

It's like, I had you at 1. And then I saw a reason to knock you back down to zero. So I researched it, and found out it's not a reason to knock you back down to zero. So you stay at one.

Understand?

[gerryoat]

btw BYF is literally confirmed mafia, he has no reaction to being hammered.

[BigYoshiFan]

Didn't see I was hammered, I wasn't lying though, I really am a 2-shot town commuter

[Nero Cain]

Who is scum Yoshi?

[BigYoshiFan]

Gerry and Zap are my guesses on the last maf, tomorrow is a Lynch or Lose, good luck town

[BigYoshiFan]

HANG ZAP FIRST

[Nero Cain]

yea, if you are town they are.

[MariaR]

*glares intensely at the thread lock thing waiting for flip*

[BigYoshiFan]

If anyone else is scum than I think you played very well.