Open 651: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[Raskolnikov]

@ironstove pretty sure you're town here but completely disagree with you townreading the slot.

I think you should recognise the problem in scumreading kyndy and bowl simultaneously

and see no scumteam outside of him really works.

I think with daychat available for mafia, they can run plays like this. Do you disagree that with a day-chat mafia could not plan to make a play like this to throw town off completely? That's the power I think day-chat provides IMO.

I'm going to do another re-read and reassess if I made a mistake.

I can see this point for others but I try to judge what is realistic from people. I don't think bowl or kyndy would distance this convincingly without it looking pretty fake.
As for lycan, (if I wasn't townreading you) you, and sort of bastion I'd be way more reserved making these conclusions... in general I think optimal play is to nail the weakest scum because they'll pretty much guide the way to the rest.

[ironstove]

Well, I believe Rask is town, but three scum in {superbowl, bastion, kyndy, genji, lycan}

[ironstove]

VOTE: Genji

[ironstove]

UNVOTE:

Based on your assessment, that kyndy and super can't be on the same team and that genji is 100% scum, you're town reading super, so that means your scum team is either:

Genji, kyndy, and bastion, or genji, kyndy, and lycan.

Lycan's PR claim is still bugging me, but I'm more inclined to believe it than not, so you're basically leaving the only option as being genji, kyndy, and bastion.

That doesn't leave much room for error and you seem pretty certain.

[Raskolnikov]

@ironstove pretty sure you're town here

Why

I just get the feeling he was actually trying to figure things out since his replace and tbh he seems to be the only one really invested in this game. I was pretty null on sora but the way iron acted when he first got in and his approach to the setup I really like.

Tbh turn on genji today is a little ehh, although at this point even if he was scum it should be with that as partner anyways as IDK why else he would have particularly cared about the slot that much in the first place today (earlier). But at this point he's my only confident townread left so...

[superbowl9]

WTF

THAT INTERACTION HAD ME DYING
Now you see what I have to deal with bastion

[Raskolnikov]

@iron I don't completely rule out superbowl but he's way better than kyndy.

I want you to seriously suggest a team without genji in it.

[Raskolnikov]

A superbowl team without genji would mean that genji AND kyndy are both town which would like leave me disappointed in the human race as a whole...

[Raskolnikov]

superbowl I love your name btw I can't resist saying aloud when I read it

[superbowl9]

superbowl I love your name btw I can't resist saying aloud when I read it

Thanks I try

[Raskolnikov]

Main point of bastions is just that scum must be within each pool, though the conclusions from that aren't anything not already what I've narrowed down in associations though. Genji with kyndy, or genji with bowl or something really wacky. Bastion had a convoluted way of saying this pretty simple theory though and doesn't really push what HIS stance on who the scum is but okay I guess.

The latter points where he assumes lycan town and champions himself is pretty bullshit though, even if we could trust his align, assuming that also for lycan is really careless with the claim circumstances. Trying to ask us to only consider those within the 5 as the scumteam can be scum motivated but if he believes what he's saying it's just as valid, though I still wouldn't agree wrt lycan.

Though I've also noticed a tendency in games for scum to believe claims more readily (or go the extreme other way and never believe it) because they know it themselves to be true. I'm kind of sad because I was townreading him really strong off that day 2 play but I guess if lycan is PR it makes sense?

[Raskolnikov]

I'll be pretty sad if iron gets replaced because of that fight... from my general experience around here it's pretty likely though

[superbowl9]

Main point of bastions is just that scum must be within each pool, though the conclusions from that aren't anything not already what I've narrowed down in associations though. Genji with kyndy, or genji with bowl or something really wacky. Bastion had a convoluted way of saying this pretty simple theory though and doesn't really push what HIS stance on who the scum is but okay I guess.

The latter points where he assumes lycan town and champions himself is pretty bullshit though, even if we could trust his align, assuming that also for lycan is really careless with the claim circumstances. Trying to ask us to only consider those within the 5 as the scumteam can be scum motivated but if he believes what he's saying it's just as valid, though I still wouldn't agree wrt lycan.

Though I've also noticed a tendency in games for scum to believe claims more readily (or go the extreme other way and never believe it) because they know it themselves to be true. I'm kind of sad because I was townreading him really strong off that day 2 play but I guess if lycan is PR it makes sense?

That post is pretty much all from bastion's pov. Honestly idk why people aren't liking it I found it to be a pretty good wagon analysis if you hadn't thought of it already while also telling us what bastion's thinking at the same time.

Pedit: Imo he should just get a warning unless it's happened before or lycan/someone else requests it.

[Sir Bastion]

I'll be pretty sad if iron gets replaced because of that fight... from my general experience around here it's pretty likely though

what fight?

[superbowl9]

783-795

[Raskolnikov]

Idk I feel like despite all that analysis he's still like not that involved if that makes sense.

[Raskolnikov]

I'm getting pretty tired of this dragging on at this point tbh, if we could lynch genji already that'd be great. We wouldn't even be in this situation if he was the d1 lynch (remember how fast njac died when hebee was looking viable?).

Unless anyone has any other major points to bring up?

I know not everyone can just trust my game sense and perspective but please. I feel like if this gamestate goes on much longer we get more flaking and replacements and an apathy spiral.

[ironstove]

If mod replaces me, it was worth it. I came, I saw, I scum hunted.

To answer your question of a team without genji: {super, kyndy, bastion} {super, kyndy, lycan}

Actually Rask, it's interesting you are saying you'll be sad if I'm replaced... Because I'd expect a town player to want me to be replaced.

And I still don't see why hebee's slot was scum. I did another ISO on him, he has 10 posts in this entire game, his first post is on 191, he suspected lycan for his late RVS, then switched over to verdeth saying he was trying to tunnel with no follow up (seems like afking more than anything else here). And switches over to NJAC.

A lot of players have the same flipping around, for example superbowl as I highlighted earlier switches between lynches constantly, as does kyndy.

I retract my townread on rask... This post rubs me the wrong way and feels scummy (scum sad that the town player TRing him might get booted):

I'll be pretty sad if iron gets replaced because of that fight... from my general experience around here it's pretty likely though

[ironstove]

I'm not lynching genji... Still not convinced this guy is mafia, I have not seen a strong case for him, and nobody has provided me a convincing case to scum read him over other players that are in this game...

With that said, he very well could be scum, but I'm not convinced that he's scum.

We're in mylo atm, and I don't see what the problem is with a no-lynch. FMPOV, I'd like to see slots get eliminated, and lycan will also have to claim the following day on what his night action was. If he's going to use the BS that he didn't do anything again or picks a target that makes no sense then at that point he's prob maf.

[ironstove]

No-lynch gives us the opportunity to confirm lycan's information, and I am pretty sure he is mafia because of his comment in 782 indicating that pushing for a no-lynch is a scum move in a mylo situation with no explanation.

If he's scum, I think he saying it's a scum strat to push for no-lynch because he knows he will have to confirm his PR the following day and be revealed as mafia.

[Sir Bastion]

783-795

there needs to be a troll smiley in mafiascum

that wasnt a fight

It was a a bit of razzle dazzle

Ok Iron used some language that was a bit much. But it did make a nice show because no one is talking about the 2 points that set him off.

So its clearly worked. we're back to talking about events prior to the fight.

I mean are any of you even going to consider to check Kyndy and Ironstove in iso?

Ahh no, too much drama there...Dont want to go there, things will get nasty


Or thinking about Lycan raising that ironstove unvoting at this point being very suspect?

Again ahh no a lot of drama there.

Pity

as has already been shown there were scum in both wagons, so to abandon your wagon as ironstove did but not actually change your mind on anything (Ironstove has repeated many times since unvoting that old soupbowl is still scum suspect numero uno) that is genuinely suspect.

Though I disagree with the notion that scum would push for a claim so hard, so that part of his case is meh.

but regardless Lycan calls out Ironstove and ironstove's reaction is to shout him down.

Idk I feel like despite all that analysis he's still like not that involved if that makes sense.

In what way?

[lilith2013]

Votecount 3.005

ironstove is being force replaced. Overly abusive language

will not

be tolerated.

superbowl9 [1]

kyndy101

Genji [2]

Raskolnikov, superbowl9

Not Voting [5]

Lycanfire, Genji, shaddowez, Sir Bastion, ironstove

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2016-09-08 11:15:00)

pagetop count: Lilith 9 | ironstove 4 | Vedith 4 | light_ganski 3 | shaddowez 2 | kyndy101 2 | HighHopes 2 | NJAC 2 | Raskolnikov 1 | superbowl9 1 | Sir Bastion 1 | Hebee Inc 1

[superbowl9]

So its clearly worked. we're back to talking about events prior to the fight.

I mean are any of you even going to consider to check Kyndy and Ironstove in iso?

Ahh no, too much drama there...Dont want to go there, things will get nasty


Or thinking about Lycan raising that ironstove unvoting at this point being very suspect?

Again ahh no a lot of drama there.

Pity

as has already been shown there were scum in both wagons, so to abandon your wagon as ironstove did but not actually change your mind on anything (Ironstove has repeated many times since unvoting that old soupbowl is still scum suspect numero uno) that is genuinely suspect.

Though I disagree with the notion that scum would push for a claim so hard, so that part of his case is meh.

but regardless Lycan calls out Ironstove and ironstove's reaction is to shout him down.

I've basically been feeling this way the whole time (not the part about the interaction w/ kyndy tho), his vote switching kind of reminds me of the hebi slot. Hence why I moved him up in my lynch order. I'll be pushing for him tomorrow if we get there.

[Genji]

I find it rather interesting that almost everyone has Kyndy in their scum teams, yet no one is pushing them alone, but has them in a group.
I find this very odd.

[Genji]

I've basically been feeling this way the whole time (not the part about the interaction w/ kyndy tho), his vote switching kind of reminds me of the hebi slot. Hence why I moved him up in my lynch order.

I'll be pushing for him tomorrow if we get there

.

This isn't good either.