Survivormeet Invitational - Game Over

[Shadoweh]

I'M DRUNK AND BUSY

[Here There Be Dragons]

I looked at the list and there's like 2 people I'd vote

Is there anything Blackberry did that is suspicious?

pedit: xofelf is one person i'd vote!

Vote: xofelf

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[Haschel Cedricson]

I'M DRUNK AND BUSY

Almost drunk but also busy.

[Kmd4390]

Is anyone gonna give reasons for all these votes?

[Gammagooey]

i could but you're not even putting in the effort to make one so

[Kmd4390]

I also haven't voted today

[Here There Be Dragons]

So I'm just going to spitball here

PrivateI feels exactly how I would expect PrivateI town to play. I don't have a ton of experience with that, or if he just always plays that way, but I'm comfy with him being town

if you put everyone's posts together and removed their names from it, i feel confident i could find out which ones were xofs, but I don't have any mafia experience with her. Her posts seem really wobbly, part of which I think has to do with why i would recognize her posts, but part of it just seems a little off. I hate her comment on majiffy, esp ("that's a town slot").

I get bad feels from InflatablePie, some of his posts kind of look like 'this is what i need to be doing' but also some of his posts were good. I would have to look to find specific examples.

i'm going to have trouble with BB because I dunno if he was just WK us and bussing Radja D1 but it just kind of seems weird to do that and then be like 'hey, also, what about this townread you have on flameaxe' which is kind of why i'm curious about your opinion on BB, Gamma.

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[xofelf]

*shrugs* I don't really play mafia much. And I only tend to say stuff when I have stuff to say that other people haven't already said better than me or should come from me. Sorry I seem wobbly? Normal games have a lot more to go off of than this one. Re: town slot, I did say he was specifically town, and town slot is also a way I've seen people refer to town before too. I don't play much but I try to remember and use the terminology I've seen people use before. Sorry you don't like my posts, but I'm still town. Just not good at coming across that way I guess. Observatory play doesn't come across nearly so great on forums.

[Mist7676]

Makes sense. So I'm still thinking about that vote-parking theory at end of D1 - that leads me toward PrivateI then.

Re-read D1. Interesting things to note: Haschel was active. He also said that he understood Radja wagon but not Bella wagon. The biggest detractor from Bella-wagon were Haschel and Berry. Both aimed to getting Radja lynched instead.

Meh, there's lots of good stuff in D1 knowing that Bella is scum too, I'm not motivated to explain more. Just VOTE: PrivateI

Could you explain more please? I'm interested.

[Kmd4390]

Xofelf is usually wobbly in mafia games.

[Gammagooey]

i'm going to have trouble with BB because I dunno if he was just WK us and bussing Radja D1 but it just kind of seems weird to do that and then be like 'hey, also, what about this townread you have on flameaxe' which is kind of why i'm curious about your opinion on BB, Gamma.
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I didn't like BB's comment on pabs not getting lynched being relevant to the alignment of other people, and minorly the majiffy push at the time wasn't great.

tbh there are better votes than mist atm I think, but I'm not confident in any actual scumread and I really need about half the game to fucking vote someone and put some small bit of effort into the game so they'll be godamn readable. If the game keeps going like it has I could pretty much just push for lynching one not-doing-shit player every day and hoping that at least one flips scum, but I don't know if I'd even be that sad about it if they all flipped town if it gave us a lylo that was all people actually playing the game.

[pablito]

I'm too exhausted this week to do a proper post.

1) Still not happy with how PrivateI built up to wanting to vote me

It's okay guys. It's alright to vote me. I know you want to

No really. I know all of you always wanted me out. I've come to peace with it.

I don't like these posts, but I also don't like the day to end because that means post-meet blues are right around the corner.

FoS: Pablito

2) Potentially fake-called the L-2

That's L-2, I think.

3) Vote-parked for the rest of the day while scum helped bus scum (as evidenced by the two major wagons being Bella vs. Radja). The vote parking is actually justified here.

Can everyone just claim and shit.

And if you're not voting vote someone please. Not voting is equivalent to stalling at this point >_>

Are you kidding me?

I don't like Blackberry at all atm. Claiming, frankly, doesn't help us now, and I don't think it will until much later.

Mod, I think the vote count is wrong somehow. There are 19 players or so (maybe 18?), but your last vote count shows 21 votes casted or not casted, and four people are recorded as not voting, but the number not voting is listed as five.

Looking at it now...

Finally, I don't have a wagon I want to hop in at this time. I like Pablitoscum, and I think Dragons and Radja are just town fighting.

4) D2 hasn't explained anything about any possible change of thoughts on pablito, but then comments on UT regarding pablito-wagon. If PrivateI is unsure if I'm scum, I'm not sure if I buy this statement, because there's no standard to make any claim about alignment (sure, it may look sketchy, but whatever). Hiplop and I caught Bro as scum in Homestuck because of this flippity-floppity stance

Spoiler:

we could lynch PrivateI

I don't see a downside

Oh so that's your argument

"Oh I had no reason and now you caught me lying going to brush it off with sarcasm/10"

Cute.

I don't think there's something wrong with changing wagons when yours doesn't seem to be working

And now the argument changes again

Lets see how many more reasons Dragon comes up with to justify their bad voting pattern.

Some you think he couldn't pick which of his partners to bus? Why aren't you bitching about my voting patterns

do you have anything to add or do you want to die today?

I don't really understand UT so far, but he hasn't been here since Monday (haha, I'm one to talk), so I don't have more material to figure out what's happening. He did the same thing Day One, jumping on the Pablito wagon after half the votes needed to lynch had already been cast, and not throwing any votes out until then. He seems to favour casting unfounded, unrelated aspersions from the side, and hopping on the "Anyone, As Long As It's Not Me" wagon once it gains momentum. While this might be a (two-time) winning strategy for a Survivor game, it's scummy as it can be here.

Vote: Untrod Tripod

My understanding is that if PrivateI thinks I'm potentially scum, then isn't it actually good that UT jumped on pablito-wagon in the first place? The reason why this is a flip flop is because later on PrivateI questions me about my votes, which could be seen as PrivateI potentially suspecting me or at least trying to reopen the pablito-wagon.

Spoiler:

VOTE: privatei

i still would have preferred the gays died

Okay VOTE: hiplop based on a meta read.

Was Hiplop's post scummy/"meta" enough to warrant switching votes, when it seemed like you were just hopping on a wagon in the first place? Explain the vote on hiplop as well.

PrivateI's ISO does not have 100% consistency for me, and that is a big scumtell for me. It's not foolproof though, but I think it's damn-worth well pursuing.

Also PrivateI's voting history looks suspicious.

[Here There Be Dragons]

Xofelf is usually wobbly in mafia games.

but do you actually have an opinion on xof

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[Here There Be Dragons]

*shrugs* I don't really play mafia much. And I only tend to say stuff when I have stuff to say that other people haven't already said better than me or should come from me. Sorry I seem wobbly? Normal games have a lot more to go off of than this one. Re: town slot, I did say he was specifically town, and town slot is also a way I've seen people refer to town before too. I don't play much but I try to remember and use the terminology I've seen people use before. Sorry you don't like my posts, but I'm still town. Just not good at coming across that way I guess. Observatory play doesn't come across nearly so great on forums.

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when you said majiffy was one of the people that actually made things happen in this game what exactly were you referring to

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[InflatablePie]

k so

majiffy self-voting as a tracker was dumb, so thanks for that, but hey I voted him too so it's not like I helped. don't really wanna vote xof, she seems like she's very transparent 'newb-town' - no offense, but it fits if she doesn't play mafia much.

I get bad feels from InflatablePie, some of his posts kind of look like 'this is what i need to be doing' but also some of his posts were good. I would have to look to find specific examples.

basically after we lynched xalxe I lost my motivation to care about this game (Majiffy wagon didn't help), but I'll try and get back into it

@pablito, do you have opinions on any Radja/Bella/PrivateI interactions?

[InflatablePie]

maybe I'll take all the lynchwagons/L-1s and do some VCA at some point

dunno if it'll help much though

[Shadoweh]

It probably would! I suppose i can agree to disabgree with your reasoning. there arenht' that ,any scum left anyowas so rtrying to ferrets is always going to be wobbly. I dunno if i wnat to lynch mr. privates while worried about the perosn who dislikes im i guess. but i do dobuts myself because i don't want to votes cause i love so i t is hard to say i wiasont inflouence by the fells.

Xofelf is usually wobbly in mafia games.

do you wanctuly have epxriernce with this? i am i n treedged.

[pablito]

@pablito, do you have opinions on any Radja/Bella/PrivateI interactions?

From the iso privateI was blatantly veering toward discrediting the radja wagon and if I remember from my contextual d1 reread it seemed like there was intentional non commenting on bella.

[Kmd4390]

Xofelf is usually wobbly in mafia games.

but do you actually have an opinion on xof

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You'd think I'd be able to read someone I know IRL, but I always seem to be wrong. My read right now is town, but it's a weak read. She seems more willing to talk and give meaningful thoughts than she does as scum.

Shadow, sorry but I have no idea what that post was supposed to say.

[Here There Be Dragons]

She seems more willing to talk and give meaningful thoughts than she does as scum.

will you humor me and give me 2 examples where she's done that here

also, what is she like as scum?

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[Kmd4390]

Post 979 and the post where she hammered Majiffy. As scum, I feel like she's quieter. Posts without saying much. Not very often. I get the feeling she's afraid to make a mistake. Her town game comes across the same way, but to a lesser extent. Don't trust my meta on her 100% though. I incorrectly scumread her the last time we played together in Inyuasha mafia. I think she got lost in the speed of a large theme and I mistook it for her scum meta.

[PrivateI]

Pablito, for the sake of space, I won't quote the whole of your message. I will, however, do my best to address it.

Your first point I don't understand, and your second I don't feel a need to substantially address. It had been awhile since a mod post at that point and several votes had changed. Based on an overview of the pages preceding, and wanting to get SOMETHING posted before I had to leave for orientation, I casted a vote, and included a potential heads-up based on the information I had seen. Let me ask you this--would it have been scummier if I had not included the L-2 warning?

As for your third point, I can't really justify that, other than to say that I'm a relatively instinctual player. Except in some limited circumstances (town actively both not helping and not replacing out because of...pride? indignation? I really don't know what Majiffy was up to...), I don't see a reason to vote for someone I believe to be town. In your case, I did turn around on what I thought about you (as you point out later), partially because of your Day 2 posting, and partially because of the flips of Day/Night 1.

This is a great segue to lead into point four. The flips did have me come around on my thoughts on you, and I was ok with you being town. As far as me questioning you, I'm not going to avoid asking questions when I don't understand someone's logic, even (especially) if I'm presently reading you as town.

[Here There Be Dragons]

xofelf, why is majiffy the only thing you've been confident about this entire game?

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[Gammagooey]

VOTE: shadoweh

[Gammagooey]

hey shadoweh

who are some players you think might be

the scums