Micro 640: Perfect Cherry Blossom (Game Over)

[Wisdom]

i don't picture you as the sort of player who just hammers p4 of a game because someone was daring you to

you dont know me well enough

[Wisdom]

Ill vote tne if i have to but luna or pie would be prefered

[beeboy]

Luna are you going to explain your reads ever? :b

I'm probably never gonna bother tbh.

Can you make some effort to cooperate?

[Luna Fox]

Luna are you going to explain your reads ever? :b

I'm probably never gonna bother tbh.

Can you make some effort to cooperate?

Do I have any reason to bother? I tried hard last game and then everyone proceeded to ignore my reads.
Besides it's already hard to explain reads that are mostly gut feelings, and i dont see the reason to explain reads when ppl have the same read on a player already.

[beeboy]

Sigh...

[beeboy]

Are you town reading me Luna Y/N?

[DarkLightA]

Let's not lynch pie. Let's also not lynch wisdom and muffin. Maybe not bee.
I'm not objecting particularly to any other lynch.

[pieguyn]

I think Luna might actually be town. my reason for it is probably really underhanded, but it is what it is.

I still don't think Vedith is scum.

I'll respond to other things when I'm less busy, but Wisdom, I want an explanation for your read on me and I'd like if you could explain your beeboy read too.

[beeboy]

I think Luna might actually be town. my reason for it is probably really underhanded, but it is what it is.

Go on I have my own reasons for thinking this but I want to see if our reasons line up. I am conflicted on a few things right now regarding Luna's alignment really.

[DarkLightA]

VOTE: Vedith

Let's do this one.

[beeboy]

Hmmm tempting

[beeboy]

Oh wait I missed the underhanded part of pies read lol

[DarkLightA]

VOTE: Vedith

Let's do this one.

Just to be clear that's L-1

[Vedith]

Just to be clear that's L-1

[beeboy]

Actually I am really conflicted on my Luna read I want to know if she is town reading me and I need to think things through.

[pieguyn]

I know that the following is true: after our last game where Luna was an SK, we had a conversation in postgame where she told me she was really worried about people overestimating her and mislynching her, and that she was really inclined to just retire with a 0% mislynch record because she prides herself on having never been mislynched and she doesn't want to have to deal with things like that and generally just hasn't been enjoying the game as much anymore. what's she done here? she's completely seized up and is afraid to do anything at all for fear that people will lynch her or that even if they don't it'll be largely useless. she hasn't tried to explain any reads, which is about the first thing you need to do in order to even try to look good as scum. so that's normal (and is in fact something I can empathize with because I've felt a similar way in a game before when I was disengaged and felt like if I pushed who I wanted they would turn around and lynch me, so I just kinda fell away and lurked).

to continue with this, if she was scum, I don't think she would have completely seized up like this, because she'd have no reason to give a shit. she'd just play normally and if she gets lynched, who fucking cares, being lynched as scum is normal. she isn't the kind of player who has an overwhelming enough amount of pride in her scum game to get in arms over taking a lynch as scum, so I don't think it would be coming from that angle. and she isn't a player who has difficulty faking explanations for reads as scum, either.

there is the possibility that she's faking all of this, but again if I assess her play... I can usually tell when she's playing an "I have this idea of something outside of my usual play that people would expect me to do as town so I'm going to try to emulate it" form of scum game, since she can't do things of that general form seamlessly as scum, and I don't get the impression that it's what she's doing here. this is mostly just a lot of gut, but if I could try to put words to it, the key to this is that it doesn't come off as *overplayed*.

so really, just meh. I could be reading _way_ too much into her posts, but the short of it is I at the least don't think the way she's playing this is more likely to come from scum-her. if I was to lynch her, it would be for something else.

I still think the reasons for scum reading Vedith are largely dumb and semantic, btw.

[GuyInFreezer]

thenewearth requested to be replaced out. Searching for replacement. Deadline is frozen until replacement is found.

[pieguyn]

actually, after writing all of that out, I've talked myself into it.

I don't want a Luna lynch and I am pretty fucking interested in what Wisdom has to say when he gets back.

[beeboy]

i had incredibly similar thoughts regarding Luna this game but a part of me just thinks she is scum buffering her town meta.

[beeboy]

Or she simply doesn't give enough of a shit to actually do things as scum right now.

[Wisdom]

she hasn't tried to explain any reads, which is about the first thing you need to do in order to even try to look good as scum

thats bullshit

If she wants not to be mislynched the best thing she can do is explain things

[DarkLightA]

Good post Pie.

I also didn't want to say it while she was in the game, but i don't think TNEslot is scum. I went through her meta briefly and she's very active in the one scum game I found, less so in the town ones (and full on collapse in this one). This suggests to me that she's more interested in games she gets to play as scum, and she clearly wasn't interested in this one.

[DarkLightA]

Can we lynch vedith now or are we still all pretending he's not scum?

[Wisdom]

Hes probably not

[GuyInFreezer]

GreyICE replaces thenewearth.