Queen of Hearts [Game Over]

[zMuffinMan]

dgb, let's face it, you won the lotto with that cupcake lynch because 75% of the time you lynch him for "lurking", you're going to end up lynching a town player. cupcake's scum meta isn't lurking any more than his town meta is. cupcake isn't more active as town, if anything, he's less active in general because he doesn't need to keep up appearances. youve maybe seen cupcake play scum what? like 2 or 3 times? you have no idea what you're talking about if you think cupcake lurking is a scum tell

plus if you pride yourself on interaction analysis, which it looks like you do, then what do you think of his ISO? do you think he spent 90% of his time talking to and about his scum buddy and doing nothing else?

i didn't think cupcake was scum for pretty much precisely that. what he was doing in the game wasn't furthering his win con in any way, literally most of the time he was posting here he was bantering with me and look where that got him. lynched. i had a little more faith in his ability as scum; i figured he'd at least be

trying

to look like he was helping town in some way. *shrug*

by the bye, there are two reasons i'm NEVER going to consider iraon town and i'm never going to be surprised when he continues not dying every single night

the first is that i could very easily see cupcake doing his whole "iraon confirmed scum via setup" thing as distancing; i would have been interested to see what he had to say about it if he ever posted again but that was cut short. the alternative here is that he was peddling bullshit for no real reason but that's an odd angle to push

the second is this, and for as long as this game goes, i don't want anyone to forget this point so i'm going to bold it so people know i mean srs bsns:

fakegod isn't averse to having PGOs in this setup and i do not believe there's a town vig outside of seraphim

[zMuffinMan]

hell i don't believe either of those shots was a vig shot anyway. i mean maaaaaybe the spiffeh-slot but i doubt it; more likely they died on whoever the scum night kill was

[iraonavp]

Katsuki would never bus me if we were scum-aligned together...

zMuffinMan, who do you suspect now?

[zMuffinMan]

oh and to be clear, i dont think iraon is a full pgo or anything if he is pgo; it's likely very limited in utility. but when no one else claims responsibility for either of the kills last night, i want people to remember that

[iraonavp]

And I'm not PGO, I can prove that I can see the thread...

[zMuffinMan]

Katsuki would never bus me if we were scum-aligned together...

oh yeah he would never bus you, you're such a valuable asset to any scum team you're a part of that i can't see him ever doing that. welp. back to the drawing board

[kraska77]

Hmm I've been thinking maybe a town bookie explains the two kills?

[zMuffinMan]

And I'm not PGO, I can prove that I can see the thread...

yes, i know, PGOs don't roleblock

[zMuffinMan]

ankamius is probably scum

but then maybe i'm just saying that because he's lynchbait

he's definitely not playing his standard "gut"-based game, at the very least, and his reactions don't feel natural

[zMuffinMan]

im still pretty comfortable with my tiers from the end of yesterday, but maybe move cakez up to probably town

[iraonavp]

This is inconsistent with calling me for sure a scum-aligned bodyguard, and saying you believe my softclaim.

[zMuffinMan]

no it isn't

i think you're a bodyguard

[zMuffinMan]

people i will probably never want to lynch: ckd, vedith, maybe dgb
people who are seraphim and should probably prove their role sooner rather than later (N3 at the latest, preferably): seraphim
people i don't think are scum but wish they'd be more obviouly town: PV, TNE, untrod
people who are more likely town than scum: cupcake, cakez, maybe froot loop, maybe kraska

the rest: spiffeh, ankamius, iraon

ckd vedith dgb
untrod cakez kraska
pv tne froot
iraon ankamius

[zMuffinMan]

btw if youre really not a PGO, you dont need to insist youre not a PGO. a town player had to have been responsible for one of those kills and theyll claim it eventually (or someone with a killing role will die)

but since i dont think that's going to happen, i'm just going to keep reminding people that the possibility you're a PGO exists

[Vedith]

dgb, let's face it, you won the lotto with that cupcake lynch because 75% of the time you lynch him for "lurking", you're going to end up lynching a town player.

cupcake's scum meta isn't lurking any more than his town meta is. cupcake isn't more active as town

, if anything, he's less active in general because he doesn't need to keep up appearances. youve maybe seen cupcake play scum what? like 2 or 3 times? you have no idea what you're talking about if you think cupcake lurking is a scum tell

plus if you pride yourself on interaction analysis, which it looks like you do, then what do you think of his ISO? do you think he spent 90% of his time talking to and about his scum buddy and doing nothing else?

i didn't think cupcake was scum for pretty much precisely that. what he was doing in the game wasn't furthering his win con in any way, literally most of the time he was posting here he was bantering with me and look where that got him. lynched. i had a little more faith in his ability as scum; i figured he'd at least be

trying

to look like he was helping town in some way. *shrug*

by the bye, there are two reasons i'm NEVER going to consider iraon town and i'm never going to be surprised when he continues not dying every single night

the first is that i could very easily see cupcake doing his whole "iraon confirmed scum via setup" thing as distancing; i would have been interested to see what he had to say about it if he ever posted again but that was cut short. the alternative here is that he was peddling bullshit for no real reason but that's an odd angle to push

the second is this, and for as long as this game goes, i don't want anyone to forget this point so i'm going to bold it so people know i mean srs bsns:

fakegod isn't averse to having PGOs in this setup and i do not believe there's a town vig outside of seraphim

I feel that this is a lie.
So I decided to check out all the games on Katsuki's 1st page.
Activity seems higher as town. I saw 2 scum games, both were in a hydra but one game was pretty low activity, and the other game was below average. The town games appear to have above average posts and content.

[iraonavp]

seems like an easy mislynch

Why?

i mean because i think hes scum

Why?

This makes me think that zMuffinMan is scum-aligned too. Katsuki and zMuffinMan joke a lot about being scum-aligned together and it's probably because they're trying to sow the kind of WIFOM that zMuffinMan is now invoking...

[curiouskarmadog]

dgb is solid town i guess...

why is that?

it looked like there were many lynches on the table but she strongarmed a lynch on katsuki,

plus setup says theres only one bookie in scumteam, i doubt she would start a wagon on him and throw him under the bus this early into the game when there were other lynches on the table too
what do you think?

I am not sure...though I guess as scum, she could of pulled her vote last minute for whatever reason since we were so close to a no lynch. I am just not sold she is town.

[zMuffinMan]

Activity seems higher as town. I saw 2 scum games, both were in a hydra but one game was pretty low activity, and the other game was below average. The town games appear to have above average posts and content.

if you really, really want to take me up on this, let's bet real money on it (it's not technically anything to do with the game so it shouldn't count as outside influences, we're just discussing cupcake's meta)

for every town game you find with "higher than average" activity, i'll find two games where he lurked for at least the majority of the game

for every scum game you find where he lurked, i'll find two where he didn't

when you stop presenting me games, i win

when i stop being able to provide counter-games, you win

$100?

[zMuffinMan]

actually i don't know whether that can be construed as outside influences, i'm just assuming it isn't

[curiouskarmadog]

by the bye, there are two reasons i'm NEVER going to consider iraon town and i'm never going to be surprised when he continues not dying every single night

with brilliant statements like this, if Iran is not scum, what do you think scum would do? sort of a self fulling prophecy you are setting up for yourself.

[zMuffinMan]

This makes me think that zMuffinMan is scum-aligned too. Katsuki and zMuffinMan joke a lot about being scum-aligned together and it's probably because they're trying to sow the kind of WIFOM that zMuffinMan is now invoking...

yeeeeeeeah

because as one of the most powerful scum roles in any game, let alone this one, he would have been really concerned about "sowing WIFOM" over, oh i don't know, not actually dying

[zMuffinMan]

with brilliant statements like this, if Iran is not scum, what do you think scum would do? sort of a self fulling prophecy you are setting up for yourself.

iraon's a claimed bodyguard

how the fuck are scum going to set him up?

it's only a self-fulfilling prophecy if he never protects a single player from a night kill for as long as he lives

[zMuffinMan]

are you worried scum is going to kill people who aren't high priority kills to frame him or something? they don't even know who he's going to protect if he's town

[iraonavp]

It's still against rules, you cannot talk about ongoing games even tangentially...

What if Vedith was lying? It's not fair to bring real money into the game.

[curiouskarmadog]

but betting/wagering is modkilling site banning offense...best to stop.

also if you really want to have a pissing contest, do it after the game is over.