Micro 640: Perfect Cherry Blossom (Game Over)

[Edosurist]

What makes Pie scum and bee town from that?

[pieguyn]

/whistle

why do you think that soft-claim was town again, Edos?

p-edit: jesus fucking christ, DLA. what is your actual issue with the way I'm going about this?

[pieguyn]

DLA, think about it: beeboy, if town, has already confirmed or at least hinted to scum that he has a PR of some kind. so what's the point of him withholding what his role actually is? he has already basically claimed PR.

I think he hoped to soft "lel I have a town role", wasn't expecting someone to call him out on it (because of people like ... you ... assuming he was town via the soft) and how has no idea what he should actually claim. I don't really care if he or anyone else thinks something along the lines of "withholding role info is ~such a good thing~", because it's not. someone being PR or not is already the majority of the relevant info scum needs to plan things around, so at this point, if his goal was to withhold info, he's already failed. making it explicit what his role is is beneficial because 1. if he *actually* does have a town role me, zmuffin, Luna can take it in stride and push elsewhere, and 2. it eliminates any possibility for him claiming later and drawing flak for it because "that's not actually a town role".

in reality, it isn't beneficial for him to keep doing this, unless he's scum.

[DarkLightA]

I feel like pie is chasing dead ends and knows it. Beeboy I think is town just because I don't see his play coming from town.

And before you ask, no, I can't be any more vague.

[beeboy]

Pie your full of shit if you think me full claiming is optimal play considering I am not being lynched

[DarkLightA]

Inb4 ninja. Sec

[pieguyn]

Pie your full of shit if you think me full claiming is optimal play considering I am not being lynched

if you don't full claim, I lynch you, and I'm more than certain I have enough numbers for it.

so no, this "I'm not being lynched" excuse doesn't hold water, and if you believed you weren't being lynched what was even the point in soft-claiming?

[pieguyn]

like holy name of christ WTF am I even reading?

[Wisdom]

This is just conf bias but ok.

she's just scum dude

[Edosurist]

Wisdom, what do you think about softclaim?

[Wisdom]

I feel like pie is chasing dead ends and knows it

ding ding

[Wisdom]

if you don't full claim, I lynch you, and I'm more than certain I have enough numbers for it.

bullcrap

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, what do you think about softclaim?

there isnt anything there to think
beeboy is town

[Edosurist]

if you don't full claim, I lynch you, and I'm more than certain I have enough numbers for it.

Who are you counting on?

[pieguyn]

I feel like pie is chasing dead ends and knows it.

what is this even about? do you think that I'm incapable of fabricating pushes elsewhere as scum or... ?

[DarkLightA]

Pie, why do you think lynch a soft claimed PR day 1 is a viable strategy? In almost all cases this is completely misguided. There will always be time in future days, in addition to added information. If he isn't scum, it is also likely that he'll be a night target, otherwise he'll have more to share in the future that'll make it easier to verify the claim than now.

Nothing good would come from a full role claim and I think you'd know this as well.

[Edosurist]

^This

[DarkLightA]

I feel like pie is chasing dead ends and knows it.

what is this even about? do you think that I'm incapable of fabricating pushes elsewhere as scum or... ?

I think you're ignoring things that you wouldn't be ignoring as town

[pieguyn]

if you don't full claim, I lynch you, and I'm more than certain I have enough numbers for it.

Who are you counting on?

Vedith and you. am I incorrect in assuming that if it comes down to it, you'd be willing to vote with me?

not to mention that if zmuffin starts going aggressive mode, it's likely that he'll be able to bring someone else into this, too.

[beeboy]

Hey Pie where did your idea I would pull this as a gambit come from?
In 1 of my games with you I just threw up my hands and gave up and in my other 2 games I claimed my honest scum role or didn't claim.

That isn't conf bias that is just you making things up

[beeboy]

Edos I am willing to unvote you and vote Pie

[DarkLightA]

VOTE: pieguyn

[pieguyn]

why the fuck did I sign up for this game.

[pieguyn]

Pie, why do you think lynch a soft claimed PR day 1 is a viable strategy? In almost all cases this is completely misguided. There will always be time in future days, in addition to added information. If he isn't scum, it is also likely that he'll be a night target, otherwise he'll have more to share in the future that'll make it easier to verify the claim than now.

Nothing good would come from a full role claim and I think you'd know this as well.

for the record, this is just all sorts of wrong for all sorts of theory reasons.

but whatever, you're obviously not going to listen to anything I write about it anyway.

[pieguyn]

can ANYONE explain based on beeboy's PLAY