STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[SirCakez]

What is up my dudes and dudettes

[SirCakez]

Why would you claim that farside
Facepalm
P-edit: no we can't lynch yet silly Bee

[SirCakez]

beeboy did you miss my question

pedit: just chilling honestly gonna cook out

pedit: cakes might be scum

McMenno stop fishing

[SirCakez]

"fishing"

dank

Ye you know what you did

[SirCakez]

I still don't get it, and I am not going to attempt to figure it out.
Ignorance is bliss.

I am going to take this approach to flavor since I have no idea about the show (which is something I should fix <.<)

Cerb, we are dirty no good thieves, stealing all the good ideas.

~VeggieWoman

don't know if I believe you

with 2 mason pairs (presumably) anything's possible I guess

How are you liking that fence?

[SirCakez]

SC, Obi-Wan: Neither of you responded to my very selective ally invitation.

-Cerb

I didn't know you wanted a response

I still don't get it, and I am not going to attempt to figure it out.
Ignorance is bliss.

I am going to take this approach to flavor since I have no idea about the show (which is something I should fix <.<)

Cerb, we are dirty no good thieves, stealing all the good ideas.

~VeggieWoman

don't know if I believe you

with 2 mason pairs (presumably) anything's possible I guess

How are you liking that fence?

Wtf? How is this image relevant at all lol

Mastin is probably town, but I still have her in my lynch pool

Also wtf

I'm still open for allying, I wanted to ally with Mastin but that's out the window now.
Almost bby want to ally?

[SirCakez]

How is McMenno strange? Let's poke there more. See if we cannot get clearer thoughts.

Who is this even aimed at?

Alliances:
grapes/chara
fire/shiro
obi/rr
skybird/foxbird
cakes/a50
yume/farside

Unaligned:
Creature
SnarkySnowman
randomidget
Seraphim
Xkfyu
CooLDoG
killthestory
McMenno
TheWayItEnds
DrippingGoofball
Klingoncelt
kraskaesque

I haven't actually allied with him yet, I'm waiting on a response

@cakez would you be interested in an alliance, obi-wan is already taken. I promise you that it will be a very lucrativre endeavor for you, I'll spill the beans in the pt

You're in my scum pool so no

lmao wtf are we doing in ppl's scum pools

Well now you're in mine too with this reaction

[SirCakez]

You're in my scum pool so no

your loss

@kraskaesque how would you feel about an alliance

lol asking your scum buddy for an alliance?

@Cerby, I feel so lost during this phase knowing scum cannot push anyone. That gives me direction. You two seem bold and leaders. If you could vote, where would you want my vote to be and why? Note:Farside, Mastina, grapes and Klingon don't really seem like good options to me. Whenever I think someone is scummy, they go be all townie and I am all like I dunno.

This has already been pointed out by multiple people but this is painfully scummy. Titus is never this floppy as town.
And Beeboy has barely posted since gamestart which is very worrisome.

mcmenno's prob town ^_^
(i'll get back to u about allying when lycan comes on)

You should actually explain this.

I'm still open for allying, I wanted to ally with Mastin but that's out the window now.
Almost bby want to ally?

Sure, why not! It's a BIG gamble on my part, I know (bc .. you know .. in the majority of games we were of opposite alignments), but a very good player IMHO and if you're town here then we rock!!

I'll submit the request right now

Ok I sent in the request. It will be worth it.

Time for some early reads!
Town pool = Fire, Not Chara, mastin, grapes, farside
Scum pool = Mcmenno, kraskaesque, obi
Special slot who gets their own corner because I can't read them = reasonably rational

Anyone else hasn't made an impression on me

[SirCakez]

@SC, Explain that McMenno scumread and the NC townread please SC.

You do also realize by immediately hopping in and chainsawing me you've all but absolved RR from answering the question about who they would vote now?

McMenno scumread for fishing and awkward as hell reactions when being called out for it
NC townread for posts that look like blatant newbtown (i;e any of it's posts on the first 5 pages)

I'm not chainsawing you?
RR can still answer the question if they want.

-snip-
wat.

I thought it was obvious the "masons" were a joke

[SirCakez]

Wait mastin if you thought the Mason claims were legit why did you have both Obi and I in the scumread section of your list earlier?

[SirCakez]

It's not even the question I found scummy, it was the way it was worded
"oh I don't know what to do my scumreads get all townie all the time give me things to do" etc

[SirCakez]

Newbtown = someone new to mafia who is making posts that look like thoughts town would make the first time they play mafia
For example you usually see lots of apologizing for little things, analysis over game mechanics, openly discussing reads very early on, etc
It's like how I played in my first forum mafia game where I was town

[SirCakez]

Newbtown = someone new to mafia who is making posts that look like thoughts town would make the first time they play mafia
For example you usually see lots of apologizing for little things, analysis over game mechanics, openly discussing reads very early on, etc
It's like how I played in my first forum mafia game where I was town

i know the definition, i was asking how it applied to me. still, thank you for the information.

You were doing these things early on, which is how it applies to you. Thought that was clear, mb.

It's not even the question I found scummy, it was the way it was worded
"oh I don't know what to do my scumreads get all townie all the time give me things to do" etc

*shrug* Still you neutered it. Half of what I look for is the reactions I get when fishing for reads. Who defends whom? Who votes the opposite wagon under pressure? Push comes to shove, where do the values lie?

Anyone who has played with RR knows that straight up asking them for reads doesn't work and I wanted to sort the nebulous things around them (NC not having a read there). I can and do feel lost without reactions.

We have lost that baseline for judging RR.

-_-
They might have still answered it the way you wanted but now they probably won't.

[SirCakez]

ffs

[SirCakez]

mcmenno's prob town ^_^
(i'll get back to u about allying when lycan comes on)

You should actually explain this.

we very quickly townread mcmenno in hydra pt from past games we've both been in with him. i think he's behavior is consistent, and kraska has caught scum!mcmenno before. we thought anyone wanting to ally a hydra might be town, which is why i went silent after asking for the hydras to ally us, because i wasn't being serious by it and suggested kraska (who is kind of active heading here) find someone else to ally. mcmenno approaching us/kraska looked very good.

mcmenno's prob town ^_^
(i'll get back to u about allying when lycan comes on)

y?

because lone scum is unlikely to approach a town hydra for an ally

This is the context. Searching for an SK is outright scummy and suggests Kraska isn't town because he thinks McMenno could be an SK. Hence why lone scum had to be explained.

kraska worded it strange by saying lone scum. we thought the not-hydras asking a hydra to ally could be a towntell.


~lycan

That was a good explanation, thanks.

Farside, Yume always prod dodges until eventually getting replaced. Not sure what you mean about being "antagonistic"

[SirCakez]

First off
VOTE: Obi

Yume always prod dodges until eventually getting replaced

That too. I don't understand why s/he's not banned.

*off topic*
She has a game restriction on her main but not on her alt which is stupid.
*end off topic*

VOTE: Creature

Hi. Come play.

VOTE: Creature

These votes reek. Creature is like perfect null right now.

VOTE: Farside

Wtf?

I'll go bullet points.

21 early mason claim. whyyyyyyy (and yes 24 is just as scummy, joke or not -__-)
206 "oh wait being a mason is a joke"
217 "I believe obi / cakez claim".........................................................................
217 **Cakez note
602 farside is fake af

tl;dr "obi is scum for doing more or less same shit as me"

+a few other reasons but this is fine for now.


and that Cakez note. Farside do you still townread Cakez?

Vote farside guys

Can you translate this?
How is she calling Obi scum for doing the same thing as her?

Got like 7 more pages to read but wanted to dump this

[SirCakez]

Reasonably's and Not Chara's posts don't look like scum's for me.

I am feeling like this could be Firebringer's scum game.

Meanwhile, you're forcing my opinions.

I liked this post from Creature and his other ones on pg 32

i mean you could have not just blind allied just cause it seemed like the cool thing to do.

It's not an ally.
It's permanent.
Game-long power.

Now if you don't mind, I'd like to keep at least some facets of my role private until it's flipped so don't prod me further on this.

I can buy this claim from Mastin. She was already a strong townread.

@Cakez can you give us some updated reads pls.
@Almost can you do more things please.

~Bee

Next post I will!
They haven't changed much.

when i said i was gonna obvtown it i meant legit i was ic tho for real

I don't buy it

There was a guy who fakeclaimed IC in MGSV Mafia. Was funny.

[SirCakez]

Updated reads

Town: Fire, Not Chara, mastin, grapes, farside
Nulltown: Yume, Creature, Klingon, A50, CoolDog
Null: Kraskaesque, KTS, Foxbird, Skybird, Seraphim, Random, TWIE, Shiro, DGB
Nullscum: Xkfyu, Snarky
Scum: Mcmenno, Obi

Special slot who gets their own corner because I can't read them = reasonably rational

[SirCakez]

Wait is Yume conftown via mastin?

[SirCakez]

Creature is my

strongest non-Mastin/Yume townread

(i.e. based purely on play).

Then what is this from Sera O.o

[SirCakez]

SirCakez, who are are you addressing in 950?

Everyone
It's a general comment

[SirCakez]

Wow

When someone whiteknights you but leaves you as null

This was a fuckup on my part. I forgot about the posts you made that I liked on pg 32.
So you can be nulltown.

Snarky OMGUSing me is ROFL

[SirCakez]

you already had Creature is nulltown in your last readslist. i think he was talking about when you said, in response to Creature votes, that Creature is "perfect null".

So this was a fuckup within a fuckup, nice.
I really dislike people who vote for extremely null players or contentless players, because they are usually scum fishing for easy mislynches. So when I saw two naked votes dogpile on Creature, I immediately disliked them.

Nothing he's said has felt genuine and a lot of his thoughts are surface level.

Even very early game I thought his tone felt off and his stances are hard to follow. Like his menno read is for fishing and he's stayed far too sticky and confident there considering mcmenno has done some town things.

Obi-wan vote was pretty bad. It's either scum fanning the flames of a tvt or cakes sawing for chara.

I will give you this first part, I haven't been putting any real effort in so far and it's obviously causing me to be read incorrectly. So I'm going to work harder on putting in real content.
The second part - what town things are you referring to from McMenno? Nothing has stuck out to me from him, almost everything he's posting is just fluff and useless. I know he can contribute more.
Final point - I don't understand what was wrong with this vote? Obi has been a scumread for me since pregame.
See below quote

Seriously, look at her scumreads:

ScumReads

Not Chara
Kraskaeaque (kraska77 + lycanfire)
Seraphim
SnarkySnowman
Creature

Not Chara is new.
Kraskaesque are a hydra of newer players.
Seraphim and SnarkySnowman are know as lynchbaits.
grapes sees me as extremely lynchable.

(thanks for this Creature)
This is a great example of a post that sucks from Obi. All of those scumreads are lurkers and lynchbait. Nothing risky.

VOTE: farside

Really hate this vote from Snarky, again. He never responded to my request to explain his farside scumread and he jumped back here anyway, despite the fact he's been fairly active for what he usually is.

The bottom part that snarky never responded to.

I saw later on this page that you changed your read on me to scum after some review.
Was this the only thing you were townreading me for? Feels pretty flimsy.

I still have about 10 pages left to go, I am still content with my Obi vote

[SirCakez]

Not Chara is obvscum.

Could you explain this?
I'm struggling to get past my newbtown read on it despite the fact most of my townreads are scumreading her.

to anyone thinking of allying with grapes: you will not receive any bonuses you would normally get from allying with a player. and no, no need to bother checking. grapes never said this in the thread. or anywhere. i was told by Varsoon when our alliance was created. grapes' name was not specifically mentioned, but i have a hard time believing the cause was anything other than their role.

VOTE: grapes

pedit: ha.

This post was definitely bad. Outing grapes's role like that is terrible and pointless and I feel like the vote is more because she's trying to push off someone pushing her then because of the role.

I'm on the fence about a lot of players but here are some thoughts and reads I've had.

farside is town (Even though I will probably get accused of buddying w/e). A high level of engagement with the game and probably the game's strongest scumhunter currently. Which is why Snarky is really hard to read. On the one hand, the push is bullshit. On the other hand, they are putting themselves out there very strongly with their bullshit read/case thing. I'm uncertain as of this moment if that's because Snarky is scum caught with their pants down and now forced to push the read until they can weasel their way out of it OR they are town who genuinely believe what is actually not a fantastic scumread at all. So I'm sitting on that one.

SirCakez and McMenno are two other scumreads I have. If a wagon emerged on either on them, I would definitely join in. grapes has largely outlined a fairly excellent case on Cakez, but there is a strong tendency of surface level play, a going through the motions of engagement. McMenno has been lurking in the wings and also rolefishing super hard. I think every player here wants more answers in terms of role shit but McMenno's questioning of Mastin seemed like scum using the pretense of that lack of information to try and secure a lynch.

I wanted to pressure TWIE almost more than I scumread them. If that makes sense. See if I could beetlejuice them into the thread.
Same thing with Xkfyu. The big difference here being that they showed up and made some other awful posts.

I am really not sure what people are seeing in Not Chara as scum.

This is a strong post from Sera, like some others noted.
I agree with basically everything said here except for the scumread on me obviously, but I can see where he's coming from on that read.
Feel good enough to move Sera to nulltown.

You mean four players, all universally regarded as town, and the wagon doesn't take?
Almost50, myself, Yume, and mastina are all on the NC wagon. The NC wagon is facing major resistance.

Why wouldn't scum be hopping on here if the wagon was wrong as a method of discrediting those on the wagon if it was wrong?

This reminds me very much of the wagon on LQ in Sudoken Mafia.

I really hate wagon resistance arguments. They are almost never accurate, you'll see town wagons get resistance just as often as scum wagons. It's not a viable way to read a wagon target unless it's very close to the end of the day and the player count is low enough that scum wouldn't be bussing.

This is not relevant to my Chara read, I just think this argument is terrible.

i could be convinced onto a Snarky wagon depending on how he answers, but i don't think i will be happy about it.

i could wagon grapes. will join the Rational wagon in good cheer if i don't see anything else i like/no one will follow me on OWK. though i've already given up there for today, so.

grapes: are you still townreading Snarky?

This is a terrible fucking post.

It's literally talking out of all three sides of its mouth here.

I'd wagon snarky, could wagon grapes, but also don't mind that wagon grapes is pushing the loudest, oh hey grapes what's your read on snarky?

Like this kinda post just doesn't come from town I'm fucking sorry.

Reactionary pushes are on me + obi. Like reread them more in depth without your "newbs can't be scum for some reason" filter.

This is the kind of explanation I was needing re; chara, thanks.
Moving it to nullscum because of this, the post I quoted earlier and the fact I feel pretty good about everyone pushing it.

@Cakes

Wanna ally?

I'm not sure why you're asking this, considering your huge scumread on me?

About 3 or so pages left, will drop updated reads then.

[SirCakez]

"grapes hasn't investigated or attempted to sort reads with anyone this game" is what i was agreeing with.
also "hey, this is true. yes, grapes is scum. thank you. :>" was partially sarcasm. the thank you part.

This first part is outright false, and is easily

Another player call cakes giving surface level reads.

Your calling that fucking town.
Your letting that lurk while you howl at all that they need to agree with you or explain themselves.

I think this was aimed at me.
I was not lurking, I was at school where I don't have MS access, and then I was on a bike ride all afternoon because it was nice out. So, not lurking.

If we somehow don't lynch chara today I'm allying him again so he can't use his scumfuck alliance ability or w/e.

It probably wouldn't ally you again if it's scum, you realize?

This compromise is hogwash according to the rules.

Why can't Cakey be the one to align with grapes? After all, those two are townreading each other so something productive may come of us.

A grapes/NC alliance just kills talking in a hood guaranteed.

Me allying with Grapes is a stupid idea.
Almost50 can confirm this.

EVERYONE NOT VOTING CHARA CAKES OR RR EXPLAIN WHY THEY'RE TOWN OR HOP THE FUCK OFF YOUR SHITTY VANITY WAGON THANKS

RR is still stupidly null. I'll have to make a concerted effort to try to read them and I really don't want to mess with that today, especially considering my questionable record reading Cerb (see: open 623, space dandy 2).
My problem with voting NC is that Obi is pushing them hard and Obi is a stronger scumread for me then Chara. I know Titus doesn't like bussing, so I'm hesitant to go to NC.

I came around on Cakey as being a partner of NC due to the rule of 3.
DGB I kinda get. I haven't seen anything scummy from them though.
I doubt RR is scum, but I respect your opinion they are playing me.
CoolDog I just can't trust in my gut.
I agree on KTS town but I understand Beeboy's concerns (which I can't relay without ruining our entire game; don't ask).

Right now I'm at Creature + NC + Cakey + Redacted as a team but Redacted is withheld due to being a moonshot right now.

This is another weak readslist from Obi.
The scumread on me sounds like it's made up to fit with the general consensus of the town. "Rule of 3" is sketchy as hell.
DGB and RR reads are fencesits
The CoolDog scumread (?) is just "can't trust them" which also stinks.

P-edit: NC's last post also feels like dejected town, kinda like how I react when I'm about to be mislynched. I'm a sucker for AtE though.

[SirCakez]

So
Yume has moved to town since Mastin apparently has something that makes her town
Sera is up to nulltown for that really good post he made
NC is down to null for the reasons I explained in the catchup, no longer nullscum because of the Obi push + it's last reaction feels legit
I am moving CoolDog down to null because I'm not sure where my nulltown read on him came from in the first place and he seems to be avoiding the real points of contention, i;e what his read on NC and RR are
I don't buy KTS's IC claim at all so he stays null

So yeah my scumreads remain the same
There is probably at least 2 scum among my nulls

Town: Fire, mastin, grapes, farside, Yume
Nulltown: Creature, Klingon, A50, Seraphim
Null: Kraskaesque, KTS, Foxbird, Skybird, Seraphim, Random, TWIE, Shiro, DGB, NC, CoolDog
Nullscum: Xkfyu, Snarky
Scum: McMenno, Obi

[SirCakez]

Town: Fire, mastin, grapes, farside, Yume

Cakez put me as scum, I have you as scum.
its only fair.

No, you're obviously town and I don't fake reads as town (cough Titus college mafia cough)

A little more about NC: I think it's flip would be very informative, but I don't want to info lynch now because I've got some strong scumreads that need death a lot more then NC.

[SirCakez]

If any of my townreads are down. Would like a new ally.

I guess I can give it a shot. SC has not been talking much to me so far, and it feels like my first episode alliance with him didn't even help me get a more confident read about him

I had thought of him to be town based on the very fact he requested to ally with me. I'm usually suspicious of him bc whenever we play in the same game we're of different alignments. This has been the case in most of our previous games together and it lead me to always be suspicious of him, so wanting to be in a PT with me I thought meant he was town for sure.

But the lack of communication in that PT is starting to worry me. I have yet to check beyond this post I'm responding to to see if he had been posting in this game at all.

Check back there

[SirCakez]

You are the setup face level reader.
Not the lurk sack

Ah the way it was worded confused me, and also some people have been accusing me of lurking so thought you might have been adding to that

[SirCakez]

Oh neat a McMenno wagon
I've been interested in this wagon for forever, and Obi soft-defending him makes me feel even better about it

VOTE: McMenno

also grapes you don't need to explain your NC scumread anymore fyi

[SirCakez]

Oh neat a McMenno wagon
I've been interested in this wagon for forever, and Obi soft-defending him makes me feel even better about it

VOTE: McMenno

also grapes you don't need to explain your NC scumread anymore fyi

Here's a hard defense.

No scumfuck.

Wat?

[SirCakez]

Oh neat a McMenno wagon
I've been interested in this wagon for forever, and Obi soft-defending him makes me feel even better about it

VOTE: McMenno

also grapes you don't need to explain your NC scumread anymore fyi

Here's a hard defense.

No scumfuck.

Wat?

There saying they won't be joining the wagon because your on it.

Ok so Titus doesn't want to bus her buddy
Not surprising

[SirCakez]

Oh neat a McMenno wagon
I've been interested in this wagon for forever, and Obi soft-defending him makes me feel even better about it
VOTE: McMenno
also grapes you don't need to explain your NC scumread anymore fyi

Now what was it I was

just

going on about?

I'm not absolutely certain.
But I'm pretty sure McMenno is town here.

That he's obviously a counterwagon to not one not two but THREE players I'd call almost-guaranteed scum (SirCakez, RR, and NotChara) certainly does no favor to the idea of him being scum.

I mean.
That kind-of screams scum counterwagon to me.

You're being very confbiased.
It should be clear why this is being wagoned.

No I am not joining it because SC is attempting to wagon town and he's scum.

Lol this scumread got really strong really fast.
It was just because of "rule of three" earlier.

farside - getting to your PT thing next

[SirCakez]

Like to elaborate mastin I think you're just fitting things to fit your list and not actually analyzing anything outside of that
If that makes sense

[SirCakez]

I actually would like to ally with mastin because of very strong role-related reasons that A50 can correlate
But that's not going to happen until she realizes her read is wrong :/

[SirCakez]

Hey Titus
Where is beeboy?

[SirCakez]

Tell him to post here more.

Lol this scumread got really strong really fast.
It was just because of "rule of three" earlier.

Gonna keep avoiding this?

P-edit: You should talk to grapes about that so he can follow through on it if it's worth it NC

[SirCakez]

^clarification, first line was referring to Titus, she should tell beeboy to post here more

[SirCakez]

It's like talking to a wall

[SirCakez]

I'm trying to avoid flaming since I've been told that it's annoying and a dirty tactic to use
But like damn I'm irritated right now
P-edit:

Tell him to post here more.

Lol this scumread got really strong really fast.
It was just because of "rule of three" earlier.

Gonna keep avoiding this?

P-edit: You should talk to grapes about that so he can follow through on it if it's worth it NC

Not avoiding it.
Rule of 3 isn't weak
Your chainsawing on NC's behalf is obvious too.

What even is it?
My townreading everyone pushing NC except for you is chainsawing?

[SirCakez]

NC I feel like your scumread on grapes is sourcing from your frustration with how he's reading you moreso then his play
As a veteran of Varsoon games, his role is not a good reason to scumread him for
And I think his play itself has been very town

What are you scumreading him for besides his role?

[SirCakez]

Yeah could you elaborate on that?
His sorting efforts look real in thread, but if you're scumreading him based on PT posting then no one else will understand it.

[SirCakez]

@Cakey, Wow. Again, the annoyed comment. The unjustified mean, annoying, uncooperative tunneler meme again.

You are looking for spots to attack on the NC wagon. I am the only spot you could. You have to discredit me, because otherwise the problem of 4 townies exists.

I have no idea what this first line means
If I was scum and wanted to attack people on the NC wagon, why wouldn't I be going for lurking A50 or grapes who is already scumreading me and being scumread by NC? Like out of the non-confirmed people on the NC wagon you are literally the worst choice for scum-me to go after.

SirCakez: i've talked a lot about what bothers me about grapes in the thread, as well. i've also mentioned our neighbourhood many of those times, but you're the first player to actually seem interested in talking about that.
894 is where i expressed interest in sorting grapes through our hood. you can see my conclusions well enough in the posts mentioning grapes that follow.

i'll give you the summary in a second.

Titus: thank you for the answer.

Ok I'm quite interested

[SirCakez]

That was poorly worded. More like a lot less active as compared to you and grapes.
That's dodging the point of that question though.

[SirCakez]

That was poorly worded. More like a lot less active as compared to you and grapes.
That's dodging the point of that question though.

No it isn't. In no universe is A50 a lurker. We both know he's town. I was the target of last resort.

You are clearly dodging the point
The point is that A50 or grapes would have been easier and better pushes for me to make as scum
You haven't said anything about that at all

Protect me for a free win~

No one knows that meme here lel

[SirCakez]

Varsoon got back to me immediately.

grapes and Not Chara neighbourhood:

Spoiler: play-by-play

we say hello. grapes asks for my reads. i give them.
reads at the time were (simplified)
scum: Almost, Rational, and OWK
town: Firebringer, farside, SirCakez, grapes, Snarky
null to nulltown: Creature, Seraphim.

i also asked for grapes opinion on the mastin/Yume masonry, and its validity, and said that mastin might be town but i wouldn't know how to begin reading her. i then asked for grapes' reads.
then i made another post asking grapes why there were players townreading Titus but calling her wrong. and then i added that she wasn't just wrong, but wrong in an underhanded way that i don't understand, referring to what i said about Titus in the main thread. that her read was manufactured and fake.

grapes gave a dismissive question-answer to my Titus question, then asked me three other questions about my townread on them, why i thought my scumreads were scum, and why i wasn't voting Rational. no trace of their opinion for me to see, just plain questions.
i answered about grapes and Rational, said the answers to that were already in the thread, when id stated them earlier, and to the other questions as well.
grapes then says they are not really caught up.
i said alright and asked for questions or commentary for when grapes was caught up. i did not receive either.
ok. i'm getting bored of doing an exact play-by-play. i asked why they had a scumread on Cakez, how i'm supposed to be reading OWK as town, etc. still looking for

any

material from grapes.
grapes only answers about OWK, says they are town by gut and and because of their meta. also states they could say more but don't feel like it.
they then asked me to claim.
i said no, and asked for grapes to directly address my arguments for why OWK is scum, because i felt like i was being dismissed.
grapes asked why i wouldn't claim to them, and answered my request for specifics with a dodge question.
i continued to press for info, and said i wouldn't claim because i didn't trust them.
grapes said that was crap because i had been townreading them. keep in mind i had used key words like 'possibly' when talking about my read on grapes. said they would look at my OWK case again.
i said that a slight townread does not equal trust. and that my current read on them was certainly not getting better from all this. and asked why they would expect me to claim to them. no more because i'm so tired of recounting this, please let me know if you want more.

okay, i'm really getting tired of this. tl;dr: grapes asked a bunch of useless questions, did not engage with me at all, and ignored almost all of my commentary about the game in favour of responding badly to all of my attempts to get

anything

out of them. this is after grapes said they wanted to sort me in the hood. you can see my requests for specific points against my OWK read spilling into the thread.

This is pretty bad if it's true
I would like to hear grapes's response to this since you might be biased

[SirCakez]

That was poorly worded. More like a lot less active as compared to you and grapes.
That's dodging the point of that question though.

No it isn't. In no universe is A50 a lurker. We both know he's town. I was the target of last resort.

You are clearly dodging the point
The point is that A50 or grapes would have been easier and better pushes for me to make as scum
You haven't said anything about that at all

STILL dodging this I see

Calling it a night now

[SirCakez]

That was poorly worded. More like a lot less active as compared to you and grapes.
That's dodging the point of that question though.

No it isn't. In no universe is A50 a[youtube][/youtube] lurker. We both know he's town. I was the target of last resort.

You are clearly dodging the point
The point is that A50 or grapes would have been easier and better pushes for me to make as scum
You haven't said anything about that at all

STILL dodging this I see

Calling it a night now

Not a dodge. The pair are unassailable. That's my point.

This is outright false, just look at the quotes I have below

Every single allegation about Sera, Almost50, McMenno, and others is lurking, yet not a single one remembers Klingon.

This post says outright there are allegegations against A50

So far my scummish pile is foxbird/shiro/klingon. They all feel like they're coasting and I haven't seen much from them that gives me any reason to think that they're trying solve the game at all.

Klingon is the worst because she's made the most posts and they've all been noise outside of a few bad questions and a forced SR on fire which doesn't feel like something she believes in.

VOTE: Grapes

Your white-knighting for Firebringer is noted.

And he is a Scumread.

Hey, Townies, my vote on Grapes is sheep-worthy.

And here is someone pushing grapes right now

They're not "unassailable"

Cakes if we're lynching chara you ally me tonight or it's a scumclaim.

We're not lynching Chara, her reaction where she gave up was town AF

Can you respond to her analysis of what went down in the hood between you two?

[SirCakez]

i give up.

that doesn't mean i'm going anywhere. i'll be here to talk all night. if SirCakez is scum then i'll buy OWK as town. out of my 'buddies', SirCakez is the one most likely to be scum. i don't even know if anyone is townreading him anymore. Rational could also be scum but honestly i'd rather see them investigated, or something. i'd say something snide about OWK at this point but i promised myself i wouldn't interact with them anymore.
i almost want to be lynched just to watch mastin, OWK, and grapes experience some form of online whiplash. for varying reasons, because mastin is town.

for the record, i don't think i'll be lynched today. those who have expressed support have already voted. there might be a few lazy stragglers/lurking scum who might join, but i don't see them reaching a majority. i'll see if i can't continue to put my foot in my mouth for the rest of the day, though.

town i am 95% sure on is Firebringer, farside, Yume, mastin, and Seraphim.
i am 100% certain there is a scum on my wagon. it's probably grapes. it could be grapes and OWK. it is... possibly Almost50, but if both grapes and OWK are scum i would not bet money on it.

VOTE: SirCakez

pedit: oh, fantastic. Cakez changed his read on me after one post while i was typing this. now this will look reactionary. because this game wasn't difficult enough.
Skybird, we aren't having a fight. grapes is scum. i outed that because they're scum and also because grapes was looking to ally with other town players.

This post grapes
The feeling I get from the post is super similar to the one I usually get as town getting mislynched, super frustrated and dejected

And here is someone pushing grapes right now

Yea but look who it is. LOL

I did respond and nothing about what he said went down in the hood isn't just stretched to try and make me look bad.
There's only so much I can do while being active in thread during an 8 hour period. His posts in the hood aren't town.

Yeah it's just Klingon but someone is pushing you. That's not "unassailable".

That is what I was concerned about which is why I want your perspective on it.

[SirCakez]

I'll be back this afternoon

[SirCakez]

Catchin' up now

[SirCakez]

Sir Cakez, can you explain your town read on NC? Or point me to the post where you explained it? What do you think about NC outing Grapes' role?

p-edit: I'll be back this evening.

I have been over this more then once, please read my ISO. Currently I'm townreading her because her reaction to being pushed looked town and Titus is pushing her, and I know Titus doesn't like bussing

Well, I was gonna try and remain calm, but 1582 triggers me, given how many times I was frustrated at being mislynched and wasn't town read for it, yet he gets a pass due to that very same frustration?

I don't understand how this applies to me? I think you're town.

I asked him what his reads were and he threw a bunch of naked ones at me.
I told him I'd look into his obi push, realized his iso was a labryth and asked him to summarize why he they were scum in a few sentences.
He drops an entire case in there with bulletpoints.

And at that point. Between all the "can't wait to talk tonight" and "ill be around for a while" stuff.

It just wasn't a good vibe.

Asked him if he'd be willing to claim. He was townreading me but it was hard to get a sense of how strong.
Said he doesn't trust me. That's fine.

But of the questions I asked. My questions about obi seemed to illicit the most reaction. Which makes sense being his top scumread.
Titus towned up a fuck of a lot from day start and that was one of the things I noticed so figured I'd ask about it.
And I remember not resonating with his push at all. Like the things he was bringing up felt more like small forgivable slight inconsistancies that I'd make pushes for as scum. Particularly people like titus who isn't always easy to understand anyway.

My judgment call was. Yes, this push is omgus and malicious and not genuine. At that point I disengaged from the hood and put full focus in the thread on pushing my scumreads.

Later he says "you know for someone who claims to sort in hoods you sure aren't sorting me"

This is posturing.

Later finally he brings up that he didn't gain any alliance bonuses and asked me if it could have anything to do with me.

Before I can respond, he votes me in thread for concluding that my role is more likely to be a scum role.

So where from day start until then did the realization happen that he didn't get alliance bonuses because of me?

When it was the most convenient for him.

Ok having read through this and NC's view of it, to me it just sounds like you two both developed scumreads on each other at around the same time and are now both being biased about what happened in the hood. Both of your claims of the events in the hood are the same, just with different spins on it.
I think it's highly likely this is a T v T.

@SirCakez - I'm sorry, I meant unassailable with anything true. Kinda figured that was evident.

<.<
I'm going to drop this because it's going nowhere.

Me allying with Grapes is a stupid idea.
Almost50 can confirm this.

Reminder:

Please do NOT refer to anything we talk about in the hood in public unless it's ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
"Me allying with Grapes is a stupid idea." would have sufficed in this case.

I was trying to make sure grapes didn't think I was just full of shit and making something up.

Scum are bussing.

Except for Titus, yeah it looks like it.

I am at NC Creature Cakez klingon CoolDog X, add DGB/Fire if wrong?

You telling me I put 2 (and a half) scum in my event?? Am I THAT bad??

No, Titus's reads are from scum and bad.

how about...

I ally with mastin? and then we'll see what happens

do we have a deal here ladies and gents

on the condition that I am not lynched, of course

Why would you even ask this unless you have a really good reason to ally with conftown?

Why is Mcmenno being Wagoned?

RTFT, this should be incredibly obvious

Got about 4 pages left

[SirCakez]

Cakey who does nothing and chainsaws me on behalf of NC.

More and more misrep

I'm developing some new scumreads, but I wanna talk them over in the alliance PTs first.

[SirCakez]

For shits and giggles, try answering as if I'm town for a change, because you'll have to soon enough.

Even if you're somehow town it's still misrep
Like when you said I was faking my reads in college mafia, like I mentioned earlier

That's it? You are town reading her because her post makes you feel like you feel when you get mislynched as town? (post 1582) She also voted you in that post you liked. Did that have anything to do with your town read?

Yes, and her early posting felt like newbtown
Her voting me had nothing to do with my townread on her

[SirCakez]

I asked him what his reads were and he threw a bunch of naked ones at me.
I told him I'd look into his obi push, realized his iso was a labryth and asked him to summarize why he they were scum in a few sentences.
He drops an entire case in there with bulletpoints.

And at that point. Between all the "can't wait to talk tonight" and "ill be around for a while" stuff.

It just wasn't a good vibe.

Asked him if he'd be willing to claim. He was townreading me but it was hard to get a sense of how strong.
Said he doesn't trust me. That's fine.

But of the questions I asked. My questions about obi seemed to illicit the most reaction. Which makes sense being his top scumread.
Titus towned up a fuck of a lot from day start and that was one of the things I noticed so figured I'd ask about it.
And I remember not resonating with his push at all. Like the things he was bringing up felt more like small forgivable slight inconsistancies that I'd make pushes for as scum. Particularly people like titus who isn't always easy to understand anyway.

My judgment call was. Yes, this push is omgus and malicious and not genuine. At that point I disengaged from the hood and put full focus in the thread on pushing my scumreads.

Later he says "you know for someone who claims to sort in hoods you sure aren't sorting me"

This is posturing.

Later finally he brings up that he didn't gain any alliance bonuses and asked me if it could have anything to do with me.

Before I can respond, he votes me in thread for concluding that my role is more likely to be a scum role.

So where from day start until then did the realization happen that he didn't get alliance bonuses because of me?

When it was the most convenient for him.

Ok having read through this and NC's view of it, to me it just sounds like you two both developed scumreads on each other at around the same time and are now both being biased about what happened in the hood. Both of your claims of the events in the hood are the same, just with different spins on it.
I think it's highly likely this is a T v T.

This is why cakes is scum ftr.

He's quick to write this off as tvt without giving a deeper understanding of what exactly is going on here and our takes on what happened in the hood aren't very similar at all. They're different because what chara said went down isn't what went down because its scum.

In other words.

His logic is "okay these two guys both developed opportunistic scumreads on each other out of nowhere and are both twisting what was said in a hood to make the other person look bad. Feels town on town."

One, my scumread devolved on chara far earlier. Two, that doesn't make any sense.

They sure looks similar to me
If someone outside of you two wants to give their take on what you and NC said that would be great

What doesn't make sense about that?

[SirCakez]

I'm super wiped out right now and there's like 10 pages I need to read
I'll catch up tomorrow morning, sorry

[SirCakez]

I was skimming down to post to say I'm gonna start catch up now and I see Titus accusing me of lurking again?
I was inactive sitewide yesterday, the only things I did were post a little bit in games that had just opened up yesterday. Taking a 30-mile bike ride does that.

So get that shit out of here.

Catching up now.

[SirCakez]

Vote:Almost

Guys, you should drop everything you were doing and lynch this.

Shiro jumping in and voting Almost gives me bad vibes.
It's like how I said earlier I would have taken the push on Almost to chainsaw NC because he's not super active. This feels like that.

What's the difference between a wagon on town and a wagon on scum?

All town wagons on town tend to stall but no one tends to defend them either as scum prefer an all town wagon, yet they don't want the game state to change. See Steven's Universe - Large Theme 1.

Wouldn't that be ideal for scum to not defend their partners?

Scum bus when a buddy is in danger? Not in recent site meta. They defend. They chainsaw. They try to paint me as big bad Titus.

If they can, they do, but there isn't a reason to bullshit to save one buddy.

Not in current sitemeta and this game is textbook not bussing wagons. It's too early to be 100% certain based on wagon composition but I highly doubt scum are bussing here.

Who's townreading NC besides me and who's pushing counterwagons who hasn't stated townread on NC?

Farside and Fire are obviously two. Same with CoolDog.

Second question is easy. SirCakez. 1000% SirCakez.

More bullshit from Titus
I have explicitly stated a townread on NC numerous times.

So McMenno has not answered my question about his claim. Noted.

Farside, if you still wanna ally, I'm totally up for it. You could also go with Skybird, she's town.

I also dislike Almost50's unexplained townread on me (and Skybird, to an extent). If you don't/can't comment because neither of us have posted much, fine, but why is that worthy of a full townread? Townlean on Xk is also bad.

pedit: Someone explain the Almost50 townreads to me? Is it just because of the joyride?

These kinds of skimmy posts with random comments also give me bad vibes. Feels like scum coasting (no real content in these posts), and Fox hasn't done anything strong content-wise all game.

I have to cut this off early because my brother is being annoying but I'll be back within a hour or so to finish up. Got like 10 pages left.

[SirCakez]

Ok I'm back, continuing catchup

[SirCakez]

farside, Yume, myself, you, and almost will all do Cakey. Let's do that rather than argue over your read.

Let me do my thing.

Just look at this garbage
Almost has stated a townread on me repeatedly
Farside said she dropped her scumread on me a while ago
Yume is being strongarmed

You're just making up BS to try to push my mislynch

Fuck it, further preview time.

Varsoon very much dislikes the swinginess inherent in multiball, but this is the first game of ths size that he's ran, so it's certainly possible.
-Cerb

See this comment?

This comment is literally everywhere in his iso.
EVERYWHERE.
Not this exact words.
This exact type of comment.

People will be asking all these questions about things.
Cerb will try to appear helpful, useful, by answering them...
...But instead of actually giving a hard stance on them, he gives a nonanswer.
He gives something noncommittal, something that looks like it is answering the question but is meant to leave the player with just as much doubt as what they had before, only with the impression Cerb was helping them.

And it's not just on mechanics.
On players? Same thing.
On reads? Same thing.

He will take the fence.
He will stay in the middle.

There's a difference between him keeping cards to his chest, there's a difference between him being cautious, there's a difference between him having a slow start, there's a difference between him carefully considering issues to come to an eventual conclusion...

...And him doing literally fuckall of nothing.
He is doing nothing. He is trying to appear like he's doing something. But he is doing. absolutely. nothing. Nothing. Nothing of substance. When Cerb is town, he has the close reads to his chest, caution, slow to start, with him carefully weighing issues...but he actually comes to hard stances eventually. All of his prodding and poking (which he DOES, mind you! He prods and he pokes, he asks questions, he tries to make inquiries here and there) has a point, has an objective, as he fact-checks, as he tries to find answers, as he tries to progress the gamestate.

But here, instead of that proactive self...his play is completely, and entirely, REACTIVE. His play is completely and entirely without push. He is doing nothing but answering. He isn't asking. Just answering.

And that pattern has been in the game for FAR too fucking long for this to be an abnormality in Cerb's towngame.

This is Reasonably Rational as scum.

This is a dead repeat of what he did in Gistou. Look there at the non-Bins posts to get a fair idea of what he did and wasn't doing.
He tried to appear helpful.
He answered mechanical questions.

But he didn't scumhunt.

He's not scumhunting here.
He hasn't been.
Just answering.

This is something I have brought up in the Joy hood
RR is one of the scumreads I mentioned earlier but didn't reveal.
Cerb has been doing literally nothing to scumhunt all game. I know he's capable of far more, but here he's just vomiting mechanics and rhetoric discussion over and over and not actually progressing anything.
This post basically sums up my feelings on him.

Scum excitation would be trying to look as helpful as possible.

(Psst. Guess who's done this all game?)

I should clarify something, btw: the point I made against Reasonably Rational applies

almost

as well to SirCakez. He's been on the defensive, the reactionary, all game long. There's been no prodding, no poking, from SirCakez. Iso him to see this for yourself. It's nonexistent. Everything he does has a disconnect: he'll post, and then post more, and all his posts are words which look good...but lead nowhere. He's doing nothing with what he's saying.

That's why SirCakez is scum.

We both know this isn't true.
Like hell even scum!Obi said this isn't true.
There is loads of pushing and analysis in my ISO.

He can guarantee either me you or Yume survives the first NK against us through a public event. Yeah, I said it. Rr will probably hate me for it. Yes, that is worth letting live until he has to trigger it.

I can live with that living... Today.

VOTE: SirCakez

choo-choo

And here is the opportunistic scum jumping on his counterwagon.

Got like 5 pages left

[SirCakez]

43: Generic questioning response to an early game mason claim from farside.
55: accuses McMenno of fishing...while quoting a post from grapes. Need to look at context, not sure what he's saying about McMenno.
64: Reiterates the fishing thing.
126: accuses McMenno of fencesitting for...not having a definite position on the mason pairs idea? Not sure. SC, explain why you were calling him a fencesitter here?
355: Wants to ally with Almost, *wanted* to ally with mastin. Question FB's (admittedly questionable) statement that mastin was both probtown *and* in his lynch pool.
441: McMenno and kraska are in SC's scum pool. Why was McMenno there SC? Because of the "fence-sitting" that doesn't even make sense to me? kraska's 438 is also sorta a weak reason to scumread someone, because it really isn't a reason. Elaborate.
599: reiterates that McMenno and kraska are scum, calls OWK scummy, asks kraska to explain his town read on McMenno, lists reads: Town: NC, mastin, grapes, farside. Scum: McMenno, kraska, OWK; unreadable: RR
604: An explanation for the McMenno scumread. He was "fishing", and had awkward reactions. Gonna go look at that fishing context thing now. Okay. Umm. in 47 McMenno asks Beeboy and Cakez for their flavor. That's umm. IDK, sorta the most blatant fishing type post anyone could ever make...like, so blatant it's OBVIOUSLY a joke. So, officially a shitty reason to scumread him. Noted. NC townreads are blatant newbtown? WTF does that even mean?
605: Questions mastin on the contradiction of believing the mason claims, while having SC and obi in her scumreads. Reasonable question.
607: Continues calling OWK, but clarifies that it's for the phrasing of their reach out to our slot for assistance, rather than because of the reach out itself.
610: Clarifis that NC is newbtown for, specificaly, apologizing over little things, analyzing game mechanics, and being very open about their reads.


Cutting this short here, got invited to something, but so far the SC/McMenno interaction focus is making sense now, and SC looks, well, terrible. All the reads are given for quite facile reasons, or even flawed reasons. The questions he asks are decent onesish, but...yeah. As of post 610, null-scum by play, but I don't see any outright *scummy* things he's done.

-Cerb

This is really awful.
First off, it's super obvious this was a reaction to being called out by mastin over not doing shit to scumhunt.
Then, the "reasons" he gives to scumread me are absolute garbage.
For example

Okay. Umm. in 47 McMenno asks Beeboy and Cakez for their flavor. That's umm. IDK, sorta the most blatant fishing type post anyone could ever make...like, so blatant it's OBVIOUSLY a joke. So, officially a shitty reason to scumread him. Noted. NC townreads are blatant newbtown? WTF does that even mean?

He says it's "blatantly a joke" but McMenno NEVER acknowledged it as a joke or otherwise.

The McMenno fencesitting thing was blatantly a fencesit on Titus's soft
"I don't know if I believe you but it's possible"
You can't sit on the fence more then that.

etc etc

I was skimming down to post to say I'm gonna start catch up now and I see Titus accusing me of lurking again?
I was inactive sitewide yesterday, the only things I did were post a little bit in games that had just opened up yesterday. Taking a 30-mile bike ride does that.

So get that shit out of here.

Catching up now.

Titus don't ignore this.

VOTE: obiwan
Titus's amount of misrepping is absurd

P-edit:

@Cakey, You've been null to scumreading NC for the most part lately, but you always have something better to do.

LOL
I had NC as a nullscum read for like 2 hours
It has been a townread for the rest of the game

[SirCakez]

new reads

Town: Fire, mastin, farside, Yume
Nulltown: Creature, A50, Seraphim, NC, grapes, Seraphim
Null: Kraskaesque, KTS, Skybird, Random, TWIE, DGB, CoolDog, Klingon
Nullscum: Xkfyu, Snarky, Shiro, Foxbird
Scum: McMenno, Obi, Reasonably Rational

There is one townread I have that might be wrong, but I'm still thinking it over.

[SirCakez]

Upon some review
Moving CoolDog down to nullscum, Klingon to nullscum, Snarky to null, Xkfyu to scum and Kraska to nulltown
The rest of my nulls have basically nothing

Town: Fire, mastin, farside, Yume
Nulltown: Creature, A50, Seraphim, NC, grapes, Seraphim, Kraskaesque,
Null: KTS, Skybird, Random, TWIE, DGB, Snarky
Nullscum: Shiro, Foxbird, CoolDog, Klingon
Scum: McMenno, Obi, Reasonably Rational, Xkfyu

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Almost50
Not liking the recent changes in tone with Almost and him in the PT.

Didn't you say you didn't want to lynch in the Joy Ride?
O.o

Ugh.
Hating mafia right now.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Can we lynch this one pls?

I would be ok with this

[SirCakez]

Before you read into this fun house, note that I snipped out a ton of bullshit tha's just summarizing what I did in the post without analyzing it.

Spoiler:

943: Updated reads! Town: Fire, NC, mastin, grapes, farside; nulltown:Yume, creature, KC, A50, CoolDog; Null: kraska, KTS, Foxbird, Skybird, Seraphim, Random, TWIE, Shiro, DGB; Nullscum: Xkfyu, Snarky; Scum: McMenno, OWK; RR=still special and unreadable.

Can you explain any of the reasoning beyond the new names that became readable between your 599 and 943? Any posts in particular? Namely, Yume, KC, A50, Cooldog, FB as town? I can see the progression and reasons for the other reads, but those ones came from nowhere...I would assume the Yume one came from the whole mastin situation...but your next post you're not sure about the details of the relationship between yume and mastin.

Mastin is confirming Yume as town, the confusion was because I wasn't sure if it was just a townread from Mastin or conftown
A50 townread comes from how he's been acting in the hood
CoolDog townread was also from how he was acting in the hood but he's since disappeared
KC was an activity and content townread since I recalled her being lurkerish in Saga and Bloodborne. I've also since changed that one since what she is posting isn't as good as I thought.
FB because he's very laid back and he's usually more uptight as scum

1052: This...is bad. Like, really fucking bad. Creature, in 967, calls SC out for WK'ing him, but leaving him as null...and SC says he fucked up and left him as null in spite of liking the posts Creature made on page 32...so Creature can be null town.

But...creature was already null town. Like, 100% null town. Just look at 943. So, just a few posts later/the next morning, and SC forgot what his stated read on Creature was? Seems unlikely, constructed read.

Yeah I got totally confused, I remembered putting Creature as null in my readslist at the time but apparently not. It was a fuckup, I forgot things sometimes. So does most everyone.

1391: And now here NC, in 1057 points out that same fuck up I just noticed. SC just handwaves it away? First thought was that NC/SC can't be on the same team, second thought is that potentially they *are* scum together, depending on whether NC just accepted that shitty response or if he pushed more. Admits that he hasn't been doing anything, and will "try harder". Okay. Sure.

Yeah I waved it because how else should I respond to forgetting something stupid?

Calls all of McMennos posting fluff and pointless, and defends OWK scumread by referencing Creatures 1122, calling all their scumreads "lurkers and lynchbait." SC, you've played with Titus before. She's played with a number of other players here, and, I daresay, has a certain degree of respect for their skill. Do you SERIOUSLY think scum!Titus would EVER construct a fake scum reads list that's ALL lynchbait? Good follow up on snarky ignoring his earlier request for more details regarding his farside scumread.

Yeah I think she would

Not sure what he menas by the end of this post, aimed at farside22. SC, were you saying that it felt like the farside22 townread on you was pretty flimsy, or that her reasons for changing her read on you were pretty flimsy?

The townread on me was flimsy, assuming it was only because of that one comment from that one quote

Somehow doesn't understand that grapes is asking him to ally because grapes just had the fact that his role has a negative effect on his allies exposed, so he's clearly seeing if any of his scumreads are willing to sacrifice whatever benefit they get for allying. Again...this is in the same post where he quoted NC's 1188 outing that particular power. How do you forget that so quickly?

I didn't realize he wanted to block out my allying abilities, no. Didn't make the connection between his role and wanting to ally me immediately.

1400: Calles NC's 1303 "outright false", and had some other thought about it that he didn't finish stating. Shows that he's REALLY not paying attention again by noting that NC wouldn't ally with grapes again, even though grapes already made it clear that he could force his allies to remain allied to them.

I didn't even know about grapes forcing people to ally him until now ffs. It wasn't made very clear.

1403: Yume is pure town on the basis of mastins conection, Sera is nulltown for the previously mentioned post, NC is up to null(though he says down, even though the last time he had a read on NC he put it as nullscum) on the basis of OWK associatives and it's most recent post.

Yeah I clearly stated this read changed back up.

Cooldog down to null for avoidance of real points of contention, and because he doesn't know where the null town read came(SC, why wouldn't this make Cooldog nullscum? If you don't have a reason for the townread, and are suspicious enough of something to downgrade your read on him...then you should downgrade from the position he should have been at originally, right?

I came to this conclusion just a bit earlier, that's why he's a nullscum read now.

1413: FB is obvtown. Some clarification please SC? This is a much stronger statement than you've made about other townread slots, but you've given NO reason for the read so far. Doesn't want to lynch NC because it would be an info lynch more than a strong scumread lynch.

Everything he's posting is way too chill and not concerned with his appearance. I have recent experience with scum!FB in Science uPick and he was trying MUCH harder. Thus why I'm calling him obvtown.

1578: Back to the 1494 stuff. OWK says grapes and A50 are worse options to attack than them, SC disagrees and says why, etc. NC is now pure town? What? After that post, you said grapes no longer had to explain their scumread on the slot? What was that post saying then, if not that you understood and agreed with the scumread? They were null null last time you mentioned them. This doesn't follow.

I said grapes didn't need to explain his scumread earlier then this post?
Not sure what this is on about, NC was a solid townread at this point.

1847: After comparing NC's and grapes accounts, believes their conflict kis TVT, they developed independent scumreads on one another simultaneously, and are now biased. Finally drops the ridiculous back and forth stemming from 1494. Agrees with grapes 1658 that scum were bussing. SC, which scum were bussing who at this exact moment?

I didn't mean any specific people with this comment, I just thought it was pretty clear scum (aside from Obi) are bussing based on how many scummy people are voting each other.

2334: Calls the first half of my iso check on him "awful" and a "reaction to being called out", and calls my reasons garbage.I'll address this: First of all, you realize there's actually no productive way to respond to someone accusing you of not doing any scumhunting? If you go scumhunt, then people(like yourself) will accuse you of doing it "just because you were called out", and if you don't go scumhunt, then you're not actually working towards your win con. Therefore, you should just go scumhunt and actually accomplish something. Sooooooo there's nothing actually "awful" about it. It *should be viewed as NAI.

Except this was like 3 days into the game. If you were going to progress the game with ISOs like a townie, I feel pretty certain you would have done that a while ago.

Now, about your complaints regarding my null-scum read: The things you're pointing out aren't even the actual reasons why I hit upon you as null-scum? It's the depth, or lack thereof, of your analysis in those early posts. The things you pointed out are basically items where I wanted more information from you regarding why you said what you said at that time. You and I disagree on the likelihood of McMenno!scum just...blatantly rolefishing...okay. Not relevant, because it's STILL a shallow reason to have developed the scum read. More accusations of misrepresentation by OWK, followed by a vote moving back to them. Claims to have had NC as a nullscum read for only a very short amount of time, and to have been a townread for the rest of the game. This isn't completely true. From my read through, NC was mostly null to nullscum prior to 1398, and then became town read. I still want to know why you told grapes to not bother with telling you why he thought NC was scum. That, and the way that read came together where NC became nullscum is the most insincere part of that progress and requires more explanation.

A nullscum read very early on for obvious fishing is shallow? LOL
The reasons NC went to nullscum should be blatantly obvious in my ISO.

2335: New reads. Town: Fire, mastin, farside, Yume;Nulltown: Creature, A50, Seraphim, NC, grapes, Seraphim;Null: Kraskaesque, KTS, Skybird, Random, TWIE, DGB, CoolDog, Klingon;Nullscum: Xkfyu, Snarky, Shiro, Foxbird;Scum: McMenno, Obi, Reasonably Rational

Why did grapes move down to nulltown? I thought NC vs Grapes was a TvT? Why is NC *only* a nulltown read, you've expressed a MUCH stronger stance on the slot than that.

Because of the grapes vs NC 1v1. I am starting to think it's a TvS, as opposed to TvT earlier (people in the joy ride PT can confirm this), so my townreads on both have weakened somewhat.

2340: more updated reads! Cooldog to nullscum(LOOK! the smooth fake progression of the read that I pointed out and predicted would hapen above!), KC to nullscum(why? In your own words, you've said nothing about KC, sooooooo?), snarky goes up to null(Why????? they haven't even ben around, and you're still saying nothing about them) xkfyu to scum(Why??? Because of lack of content?) and kraska to nulltown(again...why?).

Already answered the CoolDog thing above
Klingon nullscum is gut + basically all of my townreads think she's scum. And as I said earlier, the actual content in her posts is rather weak upon reevluation.
I mentioned this in the hood, Snarky went to null because he hasn't posted in forever and his earlier stuff might just have been snarky being snarky
Yes, lack of anything really
Basically same thing as Klingon, gut + most of my townreads think they're town

[SirCakez]

that's*

[SirCakez]

@Mastina, I have done everything you've done regarding Mastina. I am open to being wrong. I just don't want to lynch my townreads, especially when they'll vote scum. I have that history where Drixx was doing little and claimed. I was utterly convinced he was scum. Eventually, I had to learn how Drixx and Cerb do things differently.

Did you see SirCakez read on Fire? He said Fire is town because Fire isn't trying. That's extremely false. I don't see how anyone can argue Fire isn't trying here. And that's the justification for his reads.

@Farside, What is your Klingon read?

r u srs

Spoiler:

I don't get what Firebringer is trying to do with his constant scum claims. I know he shit posts a lot but he's making me want to lynch him.

I am scum

I can't stress enough how bad that hydra name was.

I don't get what Firebringer is trying to do with his constant scum claims. I know he shit posts a lot but he's making me want to lynch him.

I am scum

Is this like a post restriction?

Are you trying a new scum strategy?

It's my new scum strategy, like it?

OR scum are using those reads for themselves.

So why do you think SirCakez is blantenly scum?

Those evil scum butts

20. Firebringer - town dragon whom I'll call scum to make him happy

Your the best.

I see little self doubt in your own reads, which makes me nervous about you Grapes.

You don't know me then.

I am also not a true scotsman.

Yume makes no sense, but then again when has she ever.

Stop trying to make facts fit to theories and have theories derived from evidence please.

:rollseyes:

Seriously Titus, you of all people.

Baby, do you remember Suikoden?

dragons aren't babies.
We are hatchlings.

Get it right Titus.

When the game is over.
We'll see who was the one tunneling.
Hint: it aint the multiple people all agreeing for different, yet augmentative, reasons.

you smell.

You don't like Yume's play, tough. But Yume's town, so you're going to have to live with it because Yume's never getting lynched. Ever.

I cried a little inside when I read this.

Town: Fire, mastin, grapes, farside, Yume

Cakez put me as scum, I have you as scum.
its only fair.

Just checking, because my townread on them is fading fast.

good, scumread me titus.
i live to be scumread.

ill protect you for three fifty.

Its time to kick this game into overdrive.

@Varsoon Activate the Event:

I already played that video Yume

not the song, no.

@Titus I only trust mastin....

i trust your lack of faith is disturbing.

dragons aren't shrimp.
i don't know how you confused us two

If i was trying to ridicule you, you would know.
Right now I am trying to keep my sanity by your mere pressence in this game.

then replace out

Your the one who has a problem with it, why don't you?

lol

Lol

Don't dare you call me a dirty rolefisher.

I will have you know I showered today.

And this is just a sampler from like ~100 posts
Granted there is some content in his ISO but it's definitely not serious effort

[SirCakez]

<.<

[SirCakez]

So, is everyone going to lynch DrippingGoofball?

Nope!
^vig this

[SirCakez]

LOL

Klingon is town alright

VOTE:

Lolno, that was such an obvious reaction test
[quote="In post 2508, Almost50"
FGS Town it up. Even if you are Scum, please go get lynched when you're NOT in my Event. Better yet, if you're Town give me something conclusive in our own PT to defend you with.[/quote]
I'm tryin' mate but people pushing me are either ridiculusly confbiased (mastin, grapes) or just scum (Obi, mcmenno).

i'm fairly certain that was the direct cause of the rapid reads change.

Want to comment on this
It indeed was. I reevaluted after seeing the comment from Creature since he was right, I had way too many nulls.

[SirCakez]

lynch this shit

lmao keep trying

Fire's frustration is obvtown af, I haven't checked the Joy Ride in a bit but I don't agree with the scumreads on him

[SirCakez]

P.S. I've seen SCUM!Cakez more than I've seen Town!him. *Nods firmly*

And, pray tell, how well did those games go for you by letting him live?

I did beat him the last TWO times he was scum (Soccer Spirits and Gistou).

You didn't "catch" me in either of those games tho

Got caught up. So this is silly and I have no idea what is wrong with you people. Cerberus I get because his bar for when he will vote for and push someone is calibrated way too high, especially on day one.

Cerberus basically deconstructed SirCakez and SC's resposne was to basically run up a white flag and surrender. This is as open and shut as it gets.

If by surrender, you mean completely wreck Cerb's attack on my ISO, then yeah I surrendered.

[SirCakez]

Obi/McMenno/RR
This shoud be quite obvious

[SirCakez]

What summary of my play? All it was was "lol this is terrible! xD"

[SirCakez]

Can we not do the arguing over credit thing today? Lynch scum

then

argue over who gets credit. We have enough fatalistic things. Fire trying to get lynched, Almost publicly grieving over his hood choices he had to make with imperfect info, Farside listening to scum, let's not add ego fest right now. Any lynch on scum is because town worked as a team and forced scum to give up or made their efforts inadequate. Mastina obvtowned and pushed their gut/meta on Cakey. RR eviscerated their wall. I stood firm and helped gather town while trying to keep fighting ng to a minimum (for me) while highlighting why I had Cakey as scum. Town works best as a unit. People have their processes. Let them do it. Don't get overexcited by saying it has to be you.

lynch the fuck out of this tomorrow

[SirCakez]

TL;DR: Fake reads on creature and CoolDog, lack of depth to early posting(though it did get better later on), contradictory and confusing stance on NC, a decent bit of unexplained and unprompted changing of reads towards the end. No slots he's suspicious of by virtue of his own analysis other than OWK and McMenno, and the OWK case is...sketchy, while the McMenno one is entirely static. He's not gathering further evidence to push towards that lynch and he seems to have just completely fallen off SC's radar other than making sure to include him in his reads lists. I would appreciate answers to all the questions scattered throughout SC. Thanks!

Oh this?
Everything was responded to inside the wall (stuff about NC, unexplained change of reads) or is basically unrespondable to (lack of depth in early posting, case being static).

[SirCakez]

Klingon DGB was super obviously trolling lol

[SirCakez]

Aha there is the fourth scum

[SirCakez]

why are you guys talking about cases.

Want to comment on this
It indeed was. I reevaluted after seeing the comment from Creature since he was right, I had way too many nulls.

this post literally says someone said they didnt like my reads so i changed them.

because thats how reads work.

and you guys are arguing about cases.

Yeah I sorted out some of my null reads that shouldn't have been nulls
Really a huge shift in my reads

[SirCakez]

FFS you morons

I'm Greg
Each Climax I can target someone and target them with one of these abilities: see who they targeted during any Climax, who they chose to ally with during any Episode, who targeted them during any Climax, or see what action they took during any Climax (can only do this if I know who they targeted during that specific Climax).

As well, if I'm allied everyone in the alliance gains bulletproof and the alliance will be able to chat at both Climax and Exposition. And like Almost said, if everyone in my alliance votes the same person we get an extra vote that can't hammer.
During Season Finales I can make a 5-person alliance and everyone in it will get the buffs.

My Episode Event is Full Disclosure, the tl;dr is I can pick an earlier Episode in the game (can't use this until after Episode 2, activated at Climax, must be neutral or positive stress) and everyone will be reverted back to their state that episode, i;e will be in the same alliance, can only use abilities they used that Episode, and players who have died since that Episode will be able to post and use actions that night. Lynch is disabled when I use it tho, but there will also be no night kills that night. And stress is put back to 0.

[SirCakez]

So yeah if it wasn't obvious that's why I wanted to ally with Mastin earlier and said me allying with Grapes would be stupid

[SirCakez]

Because if I tried to hide parts of my role inevitably scum like Obi would try to use it to implicate me. Plus I needed to get that out there so that people would realize why it's important who I ally with.
And the utility is still there, just not as strong. Whoever I ally with will still be protected.

[SirCakez]

Literally no one else has claimed BP?

[SirCakez]

That's because of me you dingus

[SirCakez]

Nah, I don't lynch someone who's likely to be killed if town.

UNVOTE:

i disagree, that claim doesn't make SirCakez a target for a night kill.

Weren't you townreading me?
What's up with this mudslinging?

[SirCakez]

Nah, I don't lynch someone who's likely to be killed if town.

UNVOTE:

i disagree, that claim doesn't make SirCakez a target for a night kill.

Weren't you townreading me?
What's up with this mudslinging?

...i have been voting you for quite a long time now. there was a time when i considered unvoting, but that didn't happen.

I definitely recall you explicitly townreading me but not moving your vote

@RR Almost knew the whole day I was the BP provider. The joy ride did not know though.

[SirCakez]

Cakez: grapes is scum. i'm not telling them anything about my role. also not worth it, because mastin made it very clear she does not want to risk allying with scum, and in her own words she is 85% sure i'm scum.

fuck. i feel as though things are finally moving in a way i can actually affect, and i don't even think Cakez is scum anymore.

i'm breaking my silence on OWK because i

have

to ask: how is farside still strong town to you when she will, apparently, single-handedly assure my win for the scumteam? do you have such a low opinion of her play? the same low opinion she seems to have of yours? how in the blazes are you two townreading each other, again? i'll probably regret this in some way later.

pedit: yes Cakez, please don't flame. it's both of those things, and also you don't need to.

This implies a townread on me

grapes might not be scum. if Cakez is scum, grapes is town. and Cakez called our argument TvT because he knew that's what it was. would also be the reason for his defense of me, when otherwise i'm an incredibly safe wagon for scum to choose.

grapes is town no matter what, period.
You being town is the only thing in question, HOWEVER, regardless of whether you are or aren't town, SirCakez is definitely scum.

i'm, at the moment, toying with the idea of SirCakez being scum because of his defense of me.
i applied the same thought to farside and am still working through that. however, she does feel more town for reasons i don't have time to explain but would be happy to later.
feel free to believe it's because SirCakez is my partner, because today he is one of the players i am looking through. i could see myself voting him today.

This is uncertainty of me being scum.

Like he's the biggest wagon in the biggest wagon in the thread and he only retreats to be undisturbed

now

? He's retreating to lurk out his wagon and get you to do what they want Farside.

Also to be okay with only certain players allowed to lurk is BS.
This is why I'm ignoring you.
Snarky sure as shit didn't defend himself.

Bite me

No one is allowed to lurk. That's insane.

You're ignoring me because I disagree with you.

Snarky isn't lurking.

Yes he is.

Sc has posted way more and to calling lurking is BS.
Just like rr does nothing to defend himself, but that's okay with titus.
Basically your fucking bias.

Volume =\= Active

RR has defended himself. SC ran to your PT and is only coming out now. SC has no content of value, RR does.

i don't understand this. Cakez said he wasn't around yesterday, but has been active otherwise, and none of his posts have really lacked content besides. you can say you disagree with the content, but it is there.
and farside just said that Cakez wasn't avoiding the thread in favour of their hood. why won't you trust her judgement on her own hood partner?
that's what you're asking us to do with you and Rational, after all. i specifically remember you saying Rational was discussing their reads in your hood.

And this is an outright defense of me.

Your actions don't align with how you're pushing me at all.

[SirCakez]

You voted me a while before 1485 though.
2098 I misinterpreted
I thought you were letting my lynch go because you had at me at null and didn't really care. You never really stated a solid scumread on me, unless I missed something.

[SirCakez]

you just said you thought i was townreading you. now you thought i had you at null?

i did vote you a while before. what does that have to do with 1485?

No, at 1485 you were townreading me and you voted me a while before 1485. So I was correct that you were townreading me for a period while still voting me.

[SirCakez]

Yeah, you were townreading me like I just pointed out?
I never saw the jump to a fullon scumread so I then assumed you had me at null which is why the aggression surprised me.

Not sure what is confusing about this.

[SirCakez]

Yeah, you were townreading me like I just pointed out?
I never saw the jump to a fullon scumread so I then assumed you had me at null which is why the aggression surprised me.

Not sure what is confusing about this.

i didn't realize when you said 'i thought you were townreading me', you were referring to earlier, and not now. that is confusing.

That's why I said "weren't you townreading me?"
as in the past

Nah, I don't lynch someone who's likely to be killed if town.

UNVOTE:

i disagree, that claim doesn't make SirCakez a target for a night kill.

Weren't you townreading me?
What's up with this mudslinging?

come to think of it, having issues with your claim is not mud-slinging in the first place.

Things like "why are you unvoting for his claim?" are def mudslinging

I counterclaim part of SirCakez.

I would not be surprised if part of your scum role mirrors my town one, would be fitting.

[SirCakez]

Cakez: so... what does a past read then have to do with how i feel about you now? you brought up the townread when i called your claim into question, as if it were relevant to that.
and: is mud-slinging anything negative to you at all, then. that seems like an arbitrary measure.

Because if you were townreading me in the past then slipped to a null read like I thought, then your immediate shootdown of the unvote doesn't align with how you were reading me. But I misinterpreted how you were reading me so yeah.
Yes it is negative, that should be obvious.

I have never seen Titus so desperate for a lynch before lol.

[SirCakez]

Yes I'm definitely faking my role alliance effects which can be publicly confirmed by 4 other people
rofl

[SirCakez]

I'm not going to bother arguing with scum Obi anymore
If any town want to engage me then pls go aheaf

[SirCakez]

ahead*

[SirCakez]

And I'm 99.9999999% sure they're not
Town Titus doesn't spew this much bullshit
@fire

[SirCakez]

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

[SirCakez]

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

...who are you trying to be fair to, SirCakez? should farside not be townreading you? is town!you really in a position to be telling those townreading you... to not do it for this reason.

i'm having trouble articulating myself. how do i explain that this post is exceptionally scummy?

To everyone, but mainly farside
I don't want her to townread me over something I didn't do? That would be the real scum move there.
She's already townreading me anyway.
P-edit: I thought you did from when you acknowledged my softing earlier ffs

[SirCakez]

I didn't take the "real scum move" and that makes the post exceptionally scummy?
Pls translate

[SirCakez]

I didn't take the "real scum move" and that makes the post exceptionally scummy?
Pls translate

you advertised the fact that you didn't take the real scum move.

So you're saying
If I had taken the real scum move it would have been scummy
If I didn't take the real scum move it would have been scummy

????

[SirCakez]

I want off of Varsoon's wild ride pls

[SirCakez]

I didn't take the "real scum move" and that makes the post exceptionally scummy?
Pls translate

you advertised the fact that you didn't take the real scum move.

So you're saying
If I had taken the real scum move it would have been scummy
If I didn't take the real scum move it would have been scummy

????

you're acting as if there are only two options. you could have corrected her in your neighbourhood, or corrected her by saying 'actually, i haven't read that post in the hood yet'.
instead you said 'to be fair' then acknowledged that you avoided the scummy option.
:>
who said that not correcting her would have been scummy? you said that. if she's already townreading you, what does it matter if she's wrong about that one thing? what does it matter if other players misinterpret and also think you, the town, are town? this is all from the hypothetical perspective of you as a town player.

that humble 'to be fair' says a whole lot.

Why would I respond to a post she made outside the hood in the hood?
Its pretty obvious that taking fake towncred would be perceived as scummy

[SirCakez]

<snipped.>
you're acting as if there are only two options. you could have corrected her in your neighbourhood, or corrected her by saying 'actually, i haven't read that post in the hood yet'.
instead you said 'to be fair' then acknowledged that you avoided the scummy option.
:>
who said that not correcting her would have been scummy? you said that. if she's already townreading you, what does it matter if she's wrong about that one thing? what does it matter if other players misinterpret and also think you, the town, are town? this is all from the hypothetical perspective of you as a town player.

that humble 'to be fair' says a whole lot.

Why would I respond to a post she made outside the hood in the hood?
Its pretty obvious that taking fake towncred would be perceived as scummy

yes, it is. that is, again, my point.

who were you worried was going to scumread you for taking the fake towncred?

Varsoon?

The town?

LOL OBI STILL PUSHING THAT THE BP IS FAKE DESPITE 4 PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO CONFIRM IT
keep trying

[SirCakez]

SirCakez: and they would knot it was fake... how? they would know you hadn't read farside's post through... ah, mind control, perhaps.
or the lie detector. were you afraid of that?
unlikely, but i'm just guessing at this point.

Lie detector, the fact I didn't post in the PT until after farside made her comment which farside could have noted, etc
The fact you think I should have just ignored it and lied about it is super duper questionable

[SirCakez]

So like are you going to explain your actions or is it all "whiners"

I'm being selfish.

Honestly. I really liked the group and then things seemed like they were getting misconstrued by you, the sc was getting pushed for a lynch and I thought this group has issues.
I figure sc will be lynched and Cooldog was such a nothing read I didn't want anything to do with the group.
I didn't know if the BP was true. I said exactly what we knew.
I'm not saying much more for role related reasons.

The BP is in the OP ffs

Before I sleep, I want some things answered when I wake up.

1) In the SC/A50 pt (not the Joyride), was there any indication of what SC has claimed?
2) In the joyride, was there any indication of what SC has claimed?
3) Why did you destroy the joyride Farside?

I'm having trouble understanding why FS would do what she did ( as town, it's dumb, and as scum it only makes sense if some critical role was in that joyride and needed to target outside of it...and even then it's still dumb), as well as reconciling SC'S claim that A50 knew about this all day with his claim of ignorance, while the rest of their joyride claims they were aware of the protection SC claims to be the source of.

And with that, good night.
-Cerb

The BP was in the OP ffs

Before I sleep, I want some things answered when I wake up.

1) In the SC/A50 pt (not the Joyride), was there any indication of what SC has claimed?
2) In the joyride, was there any indication of what SC has claimed?
3) Why did you destroy the joyride Farside?

I'm having trouble understanding why FS would do what she did ( as town, it's dumb, and as scum it only makes sense if some critical role was in that joyride and needed to target outside of it...and even then it's still dumb), as well as reconciling SC'S claim that A50 knew about this all day with his claim of ignorance, while the rest of their joyride claims they were aware of the protection SC claims to be the source of.

And with that, good night.
-Cerb

i am almost

50

certain that all three of these were answered in the thread already.
when you wake up, please give your reads as they apply to recent events.
SirCakez was mistaken when saying Almost knew about this all day. he thought Almost had picked up on his hinting.
they knew about the protection. not that it was Cakez. Almost knew the vote ability was from Cakez. no one else did.

^ is correct

Before I sleep, I want some things answered when I wake up.

1) In the SC/A50 pt (not the Joyride), was there any indication of what SC has claimed?
2) In the joyride, was there any indication of what SC has claimed?
3) Why did you destroy the joyride Farside?

I'm having trouble understanding why FS would do what she did ( as town, it's dumb, and as scum it only makes sense if some critical role was in that joyride and needed to target outside of it...and even then it's still dumb), as well as reconciling SC'S claim that A50 knew about this all day with his claim of ignorance, while the rest of their joyride claims they were aware of the protection SC claims to be the source of.

And with that, good night.
-Cerb

i am almost

50

certain that all three of these were answered in the thread already.
when you wake up, please give your reads as they apply to recent events.
SirCakez was mistaken when saying Almost knew about this all day. he thought Almost had picked up on his hinting.
they knew about the protection. not that it was Cakez. Almost knew the vote ability was from Cakez. no one else did.

Almost is projecting his own ability onto Cakez.

Cakez BP works on an alliance.

Their hood is from an event.

Event =\= alliance.

The joy ride was an alliance ding dong

SirCakez is scum for better reasons. he still is not lying about his claim.

@A50: in your alliance with SC, there is mod confirmation that an effect exists which makes you both BP, correct? Basically, this is not something it is possible for SC to be lying about, unless there were some prequel phase effect which granted this modifier to your alliance(s) in particular.

Is that accurate?
-Cerb

Pedit: there was NEVER any statement made in this game by ANYONE stating that the cakez/A50 alliance existed separately from the joyride. All of A50's statements regarding the OP of alliances have been vague. There is NO reason to assume the joyride wasn't just an extension of the cakez /A50 alliance. That needed to be confirmed, as well as the joyrides status as alliance, so I could check whether or not A50 should have been able to connect the effect the joyride had with thr effect his own pt had, and thus know that it was definitely SC providing the BP.

Pedit2: So your alliance with A50 has NO MENTION of any bp granting effect, but the joyride does?

here is the entire conversation. i don't think i missed anything. i tried not to repeat posts by grabbing the larger quotes with multiple replies in them.

Spoiler: quotes

Also I told cakez to do something he hasn't done and I hinted it would help him.
Scum not taking that offer I'm about 99% sure he's town.

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

...who are you trying to be fair to, SirCakez? should farside not be townreading you? is town!you really in a position to be telling those townreading you... to not do it for this reason.

i'm having trouble articulating myself. how do i explain that this post is exceptionally scummy?

To everyone, but mainly farside
I don't want her to townread me over something I didn't do? That would be the real scum move there.
She's already townreading me anyway.
P-edit: I thought you did from when you acknowledged my softing earlier ffs

I didn't take the "real scum move" and that makes the post exceptionally scummy?
Pls translate

you advertised the fact that you didn't take the real scum move.

So you're saying
If I had taken the real scum move it would have been scummy
If I didn't take the real scum move it would have been scummy

????

you're acting as if there are only two options. you could have corrected her in your neighbourhood, or corrected her by saying 'actually, i haven't read that post in the hood yet'.
instead you said 'to be fair' then acknowledged that you avoided the scummy option.
:>
who said that not correcting her would have been scummy? you said that. if she's already townreading you, what does it matter if she's wrong about that one thing? what does it matter if other players misinterpret and also think you, the town, are town? this is all from the hypothetical perspective of you as a town player.

that humble 'to be fair' says a whole lot.

Why would I respond to a post she made outside the hood in the hood?
Its pretty obvious that taking fake towncred would be perceived as scummy

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you're acting as if there are only two options. you could have corrected her in your neighbourhood, or corrected her by saying 'actually, i haven't read that post in the hood yet'.
instead you said 'to be fair' then acknowledged that you avoided the scummy option.
:>
who said that not correcting her would have been scummy? you said that. if she's already townreading you, what does it matter if she's wrong about that one thing? what does it matter if other players misinterpret and also think you, the town, are town? this is all from the hypothetical perspective of you as a town player.

that humble 'to be fair' says a whole lot.

Why would I respond to a post she made outside the hood in the hood?
Its pretty obvious that taking fake towncred would be perceived as scummy

yes, it is. that is, again, my point.

who were you worried was going to scumread you for taking the fake towncred?

Varsoon?

The town?

LOL OBI STILL PUSHING THAT THE BP IS FAKE DESPITE 4 PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO CONFIRM IT
keep trying

SirCakez: and they would knot it was fake... how? they would know you hadn't read farside's post through... ah, mind control, perhaps.
or the lie detector. were you afraid of that?
unlikely, but i'm just guessing at this point.

Lie detector, the fact I didn't post in the PT until after farside made her comment which farside could have noted, etc
The fact you think I should have just ignored it and lied about it is super duper questionable

SirCakez: and they would knot it was fake... how? they would know you hadn't read farside's post through... ah, mind control, perhaps.
or the lie detector. were you afraid of that?
unlikely, but i'm just guessing at this point.

Lie detector, the fact I didn't post in the PT until after farside made her comment which farside could have noted, etc
The fact you think I should have just ignored it and lied about it is super duper questionable

i wasn't expecting you to agree with me on the lie detector. that was kind of a stretch. guilty conscience? ;>
i'm just messing with you.
so you were:
(a) worried about being lie detected
(b) worried about farside, who expressed a VERY strong townread on you, noting that you did something that could possibly be viewed as lying, if she decided to find it suspicious. i mean. her post was absolutely a conclusion. did you think she was reaction testing you? you should have said so earlier.

my conclusions are all implied in my posts, but i am more than happy to speak of them in plain terms.

this is not the only cause for scum SirCakez. it's an addition.
maybe i was jumping at shadows. i'd like feedback. if i made an error here, it was inflating the importance of some of Cakez's wording. 2877 is what made me want to go from 'probing for more scum evidence' to 'this is really very scum, isn't it'.
it's this sense i get as he played today. Titus called it resignation earlier, which is apt.

Bah.

Let me add.

When I CCed Cakez, he said, well I guess you're scum. Resignation.
When RR cased him, he resigned.
When Nc pushed him, he resigned.

Claims are meant to sound good.

Lynch the scum, before I puke.

I was scumreading you a LONG time before you CCed.
I didn't resign to RR's case.

0% chance you'll get a readslist.

Your wall of quotes means nothing to me. I read through it, and I saw nothing of significance.

The entire line of conversation regarding whether or not he saw Farsides suggestion and him correcting her incorrect assumption is worthless. If he, as town, wouldn't have lied about that, then he couldn't lie about it as scum. His points about why scum!him couldn't have risked the lie are valid.

-Cerb

what is your read on SirCakez. i don't need a list of all 25 players and your reasoning for reads on them. do you have anything for me to work with?

"his points about why scum!him couldn't have risked the lie are valid". yes. they are. because he's scum and

did not risk the lie.

unless you mean town!him? in which case... why was he worried about being lie detected for something so small, and why was he on guard for farside, a player who is majorly townreading him, to be picking apart his posting times?
i don't think i was railroading him into responding a certain way. the original "to be fair" was not that scummy. it's really just a phrase. it's how he responded to all of it.

it seems i was lying about going to bed. ugh.

You never responded to my earlier question
Are you saying lying and taking the free towncred from farside would have been the townie move?
That's ridiculous.

Guys mafia is a simple game.

Lynch the scum.

Cakes claim wasn't redeeming is what I should have said.

What I didn't like is how he dropped the claim, then caught the next ticket back to lurk city.

That's not town trying to solve the game. That's scum trying to sell you something.

Lurk city = actively arguing for like the next 10 pages? Get that shit out of here.

[SirCakez]

PLEASE lynch Obi tomorrow after I flip.
I'll put together some final reads if I'm still alive when I get home.

[SirCakez]

OK, how is that lurking?

[SirCakez]

Remember me?
I am convinced Varsoon is secretly a robot.

[SirCakez]

1) The SC wagon. This was a bit of shitshow. We were prepared to step in and keep SC from being lynched, however his posting, for the most part, never really dissuaded anyone in and of itself. Even though we knew his loss would be a major blow to us, especially given that it would remove any uncertainty from the DGB/KC situation(even though somehow it didn't....), we couldn't risk throwing good money after bad, as it were, and risking our slots who were decently positioned.

Yeah I was utter garbage this game
Even though we ultimately lost, you should be proud of how far you got.

[SirCakez]

1) The SC wagon. This was a bit of shitshow. We were prepared to step in and keep SC from being lynched, however his posting, for the most part, never really dissuaded anyone in and of itself. Even though we knew his loss would be a major blow to us, especially given that it would remove any uncertainty from the DGB/KC situation(even though somehow it didn't....), we couldn't risk throwing good money after bad, as it were, and risking our slots who were decently positioned.

Yeah I was utter garbage this game
Even though we ultimately lost, you should be proud of how far you got.

You were not shit. I had to zoom tunnel you and almost lost you. You caught Farside in your web and set up a huge distraction.

I mean yeah I fooled two or three people but getting lynched day 1 as scum is just bad period. Especially with the role I had.

q.q

[SirCakez]

tbh at this point no one should be expecting Varsoon's games to be very balanced
No offense to your game designing at all Varsoon, I just mean your setups are always way too crazy to balance for every possibility.

[SirCakez]

Ya Varsoon I'm excited to see how your smaller games go
The size seems to be the biggest reason why your Larges tend to be swingy

[SirCakez]

Also there were no modkills! That's always good.

[SirCakez]

sircakez I hope you're prepared to get hypertunnelled in every single game we play in together

y