STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Not Chara]

mastin: if you're a miller, you should at least claim that.

i'm against flavour claims and ability claims, but any negative-utilities should be on the table in plain terms, without hinting at one's flavour role.

[McMenno]

So.
I know that Varsoon specifically told us, "don't claim".
But, goddammit, Varsoon.
If you're gonna tell us that claiming is going to get us punished...

...Don't give us roles where NOT claiming is even MORE punishable.
So, uh.

In simplest terms:
The good news is, I actually am town this game.
The bad news is, I don't appear to be town.

I shouldn't claim more than that, but...
...Dammit, I want to. I WANT TO CLAIM. Because it's in my nature to do so, yet I can't.

I'll say this much though:
Deja vu.
As in,

serious

deja vu.
De.ja. vu.

I can claim no more.

are you undead risen slave or miller

[Creature]

I am more excited for the day to start.

[Reasonably Rational]

Not exactly familiar with you and titus history.

Bullshit. Even if you didn't have experience with Titus and us in games (which you do), you're not a mind reader and you don't have the first idea why we decided who we wanted to ally apart from what Cerb said about it, and given that our conversation about who to ally and why we want to sort certain people goes way deeper than what he said, you can sod off.

And before you sass me back, go read our hydra PT from the first Steven Universe game. We talk about

everything

in depth. There's a pretty fucking obvious reason why we want to ally with Titus right away (and I expect she has basically the same reasoning for agreeing so quickly). There's also a really obvious reason why Cerb and I both posted that we wanted to ally with Yume next.

Do your homework or de-ass your head. Preferably both.

~D

[Firebringer]

So do you think I am making shit up or not? Cause it sounds like your trying to convince me that I don't know what I am talking about but at same time you ignore every other part of my reasoning for scum reading you.

Like titus was but one person you said you want to ally with, the rest still don't make sense even if you hand wave that.

[Reasonably Rational]

Stop rolefishing Mastin people. Varsoon could not possibly have made it more clear than he did that flavor claiming is a bad thing. Let me quote him for the people who didn't read the freaking mechanics:

As a final note, all scum have guaranteed safe-claims and roles that fit the flavor of these fake-claims. Do not try to flavor-game this setup.
Scum all have had their flavor crafted before I crafted any of the town roles--I have built this setup around scum having effective, believable safe-claims.
Flavor-claims are not anywhere near the sort of town-clear that you might expect from other games.
Furthermore,

I have given scum measures to punish players who are attempting to flavor-game the setup. Claim flavor at your own risk.

We are here to play mafia rendered under the flavor of Steven Universe--I will have no pity for anyone who takes the flavor as a means to attempt to outguess the moderator.

I added emphasis. Scum has the ability to hurt us for flavor claiming and trying to game the game that way.

The

ONLY

thing that people should claim at this point is negative utility. Anything else is just fucking stupid; plain and simple.

So seriously ... stop fucking fishing for shit people.

~D

[Firebringer]

Do your homework or de-ass your head. Preferably both.

I think you could down your post just to this and the actual message is apparent.

[mastin2]

I am so adding that song to my playerlist. <3

Town.

Bibbity bobbity boop
VOTE: grapes

Town?

Guys if you don't mind. I am going to use this thread to talk about mostly stuff not related to the game.
Like what I am currently reading/watching/researching/etc.
Currently looking for new equipment because my bike just broke the other day.

What is up my dudes and dudettes

Scum?

hello everyone.
i only recognize three of you. i look forward to getting to know the rest! :>

Scum.

Oh on top of that I'm in a

masonry with firebringer

I'm sure doubters with be a plenty.

Yes indeed. Doubters a plenty. I'm one of them.
It is however just enough where you get a pass for now.

I am in a masonry with SirCakez

so idk how reliable your claim is o.o
~Bee

You know, I'm pretty sure that both pairs are bullshitting. Not necessarily scum bullshitting, but definitely bullshitting. I flat-out don't believe you. But I also don't think it would be good to lynch you: there's a virtually 0% chance four scum claim masons on page one especially not when there's the chance of an

actual

mason countering them. At least 2, if not 3, of you are going to more likely be town than scum from this debacle. Given that, lynching inside is a bad idea.

I would however thoroughly recommend investigations within these "masons" because I don't see any of them claiming miller.

[Firebringer]

Note to self: Mastin can't read players.

[mastin2]

got a full day of class so, will probably be able to post at lunch break.

Hi fire
Nobody cares about ur bike
Wanna talk about films?

Town.

I am in a masonry with SirCakez

so idk how reliable your claim is o.o
~Bee

Why isn't two pairs of masons conceivable?

Oh, two's conceivable alright.
I just don't think our mason claims are both legit.

[Not Chara]

Stop rolefishing Mastin people. Varsoon could not possibly have made it more clear than he did that flavor claiming is a bad thing. Let me quote him for the people who didn't read the freaking mechanics:

As a final note, all scum have guaranteed safe-claims and roles that fit the flavor of these fake-claims. Do not try to flavor-game this setup.
Scum all have had their flavor crafted before I crafted any of the town roles--I have built this setup around scum having effective, believable safe-claims.
Flavor-claims are not anywhere near the sort of town-clear that you might expect from other games.
Furthermore,

I have given scum measures to punish players who are attempting to flavor-game the setup. Claim flavor at your own risk.

We are here to play mafia rendered under the flavor of Steven Universe--I will have no pity for anyone who takes the flavor as a means to attempt to outguess the moderator.

I added emphasis. Scum has the ability to hurt us for flavor claiming and trying to game the game that way.

The

ONLY

thing that people should claim at this point is negative utility. Anything else is just fucking stupid; plain and simple.

So seriously ... stop fucking fishing for shit people.

~D

what 'people' are you referring to? only one other person mentioned mastin's claim, and while i'm with you on that one, what i wanted was for mastin to make it clear if what she had was negative utility or not. which is what you've just said players should claim here.

[Reasonably Rational]

So do you think I am making shit up or not? Cause it sounds like your trying to convince me that I don't know what I am talking about but at same time you ignore every other part of my reasoning for scum reading you.

Like titus was but one person you said you want to ally with, the rest still don't make sense even if you hand wave that.

I think you're trying to look like you are town trying to figure things out. The problem is it was clumsy and transparent. You didn't have any "reasoning" (that word means something, and not what you think it does apparently). You just made up some shit and threw it to see if it would stick. You don't know fuck all about our reasons for who we want to ally with. I frankly don't give a shit if it's obvious to you or not why we picked who we did. I only addressed the Titus hydra because you damn well know that Titus

always

scum reads me and it was the most stupid thing I've ever seen you say when you suggested that she would just vomit out information to us. It was literally so fucking stupid I laughed out loud when I read you suggesting it.

Seriously ... take your head out of the dark smelly place you currently have it lodged. We've got a mission (See: Steven Universe) and I personally am not going to put up with silly bullshit this game. (See: Steven Universe where we busted our ass and got town to 100% Win probability but a townie (who I'm not going to name and embarass because I like them) got selfish and blew it up and scum ended up getting the win. That shit ain't happening again).

If your goal was to get my attention, you succeeded.

~D

[Firebringer]

I don't see anyone fishing.

[Not Chara]

mastin, what are you basing your reads on? gut?

[Firebringer]

Seriously ... take your head out of the dark smelly place you currently have it lodged.

lol where is my head lodged?
This is too funny.

[Reasonably Rational]

Stop rolefishing Mastin people. Varsoon could not possibly have made it more clear than he did that flavor claiming is a bad thing. Let me quote him for the people who didn't read the freaking mechanics:

As a final note, all scum have guaranteed safe-claims and roles that fit the flavor of these fake-claims. Do not try to flavor-game this setup.
Scum all have had their flavor crafted before I crafted any of the town roles--I have built this setup around scum having effective, believable safe-claims.
Flavor-claims are not anywhere near the sort of town-clear that you might expect from other games.
Furthermore,

I have given scum measures to punish players who are attempting to flavor-game the setup. Claim flavor at your own risk.

We are here to play mafia rendered under the flavor of Steven Universe--I will have no pity for anyone who takes the flavor as a means to attempt to outguess the moderator.

I added emphasis. Scum has the ability to hurt us for flavor claiming and trying to game the game that way.

The

ONLY

thing that people should claim at this point is negative utility. Anything else is just fucking stupid; plain and simple.

So seriously ... stop fucking fishing for shit people.

~D

what 'people' are you referring to? only one other person mentioned mastin's claim, and while i'm with you on that one, what i wanted was for mastin to make it clear if what she had was negative utility or not. which is what you've just said players should claim here.

It read to me like you wanted flavor info from Mastin. When Varsoon explicitly says that scum have measures to punish us for trying to solve the game by flavor and specifically warns us to claim at our own peril ... that is something to pay attention to. If you think I'm being overly aggressive, just be happy it's me and not Cerb. It drives him bonkers how much people assume about their roles and don't ask for clarification and especially drives him crazy when people don't read the game setup info and mechanics carefully. He would be considerably harsher than I'm being about it.

~D

[Not Chara]

there is... a lot of anger in Drixx.

what you've said about Firebringer indicates scum, but you're still talking directly to them. is Firebringer scum or misguided town, which is it?

[Firebringer]

I think you're trying to look like you are town trying to figure things out.

So I just want to get this right, you think I am scum, right?
Just want to make sure I get that right cause it sounds like you think I am scum.

[Not Chara]

mastin: if you're a miller, you should at least claim that.

i'm against flavour claims and ability claims, but any negative-utilities should be on the table in plain terms, without hinting at one's flavour role.

Drixx, this was the post. i'm not sure how you misinterpreted my intent from this. i couldn't have been more clear.

[Firebringer]

there is... a lot of anger in Drixx.

what you've said about Firebringer indicates scum, but you're still talking directly to them. is Firebringer scum or misguided town, which is it?

This is my confusion too, he says I am making it up and trying to look town but then suggests that I am town? Very confused.

[Killthestory]

im confused and tired but il dia htsotfuf monetaityb inmaybe in ab it

[mastin2]

I will ally with mastin2, Firebringer, Yume, TWIE or randomidget if they promise to actively participate in our alliance and TALK WITH ME about the game.

I'd say "you have yourself a deal", but.

My ally power is not something I ever intend to need, so...I plan on allying with people I actually have strong townreads on.
You haven't earned that yet.

[Not Chara]

im confused and tired but il dia htsotfuf monetaityb inmaybe in ab it

if you're progressed to full-on crytyping, i'd suggest a nap.

[McMenno]

oh, and I would really like to ally with one of the masons

[mastin2]

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

Town.

Claim all negative utility at this time please and thank you. Miller/ascetic/pgo etc. Claiming such later any time past this prequel phase will result in your lynch for being anti-town and probably lying scum trying to weasel out of some sort of guilty.

Done and done.
Albeit with a middle finger given to Varsoon by telling us not to claim and then giving roles that you absolutely MUST claim.