STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[kraskaesque]

Hi fire
Nobody cares about ur bike
Wanna talk about films?

[kraskaesque]

Fire don't ignore mereeerrreeer

[kraskaesque]

Fire don't ignore mereeerrreeer

huh?

I wanted to talk about films

[kraskaesque]

Is this on netflix?

~lycan

[kraskaesque]

i suggest obi-wan and reasonably ally us so we can see how deep this suit is

~lycan

[kraskaesque]

I'm going to see don't breathe today
Looks spooky
-kraska

[kraskaesque]

You want us to both ally you lycan? We can only ally one slot? Are you saying you can organize a triple alliance, or displaying ignorance of the allying mechanics?

-Cerb

in season finales we could! i'm thinking long term here, long term!

~lycan

[kraskaesque]

lmao wtf are we doing in ppl's scum pools

[kraskaesque]

I'm going to see don't breathe today
Looks spooky
-kraska

I'd like to see that. Let me know if it's good please.

dont watch it...it quickly took a dive to typical logic-gaps thriller movie territory(characters somehow surviving deadly wounds, cheap gimmicky rape/sexual assault elements and so on)
most solid part of the film was the beginning but the trailer gave that away anyway

oops

[kraskaesque]

mcmenno's prob town ^_^
(i'll get back to u about allying when lycan comes on)

[kraskaesque]

mcmenno's prob town ^_^
(i'll get back to u about allying when lycan comes on)

Hi. I don't bite much.

hi titus
what do u want lol

[kraskaesque]

Your shiny thoughts on who scum are. Townreads. Aww hell just convince me you read the thread.

tbh i skimmed most of the thread

but im fairly sure these are town:
not chara and mastin are my strongest townreads
farfar is town but her read on us is badbad
mcmenno's town
you
fire
creature
yume



grape's reads are shit, havent decided if that's scum yet

[kraskaesque]

@kraska, Can you expand more on NC and RR and Creature? How can you have a creature read and not RR?

i skipped most of RR's posts bc too wordy, so i dont have a read there. i'll reread thread again when im not tired and sleepy
creature is a gut tr mostly bc of entrance
i like all of notchara's posts. do u disagree with the chara read?

oops

[kraskaesque]

also randomidget and grapes are only echoing farfar's sr because it's too easy

[kraskaesque]

also randomidget and grapes are only echoing farfar's sr because it's too easy

Or because I feel like you are reacting way to agressively to RVS reads

1-no rvs happened, we're in pregame. get ur shit straight
2-where the heck did i react to anything aggressively quote the posts now now now

[kraskaesque]

438 was aggressive? i have no words...
514 came after ur reads, get ur shit straight

[kraskaesque]

"eacted strongly" still doesnt even remotely apply to anything in our iso
anyway

[kraskaesque]

oh right i forgot

@kraskaesque how would you feel about an alliance

we're down ^_^

[kraskaesque]

mcmenno's prob town ^_^
(i'll get back to u about allying when lycan comes on)

y?

because lone scum is unlikely to approach a town hydra for an ally

[kraskaesque]

it's self explanatory? mcmenno's not a hydra
he'll have to fool not one but two town heads by allying with us

[kraskaesque]

u wot

[kraskaesque]

that's not how it works driedgrapes
explain ur scumpool first

[kraskaesque]

explain the "legit slip" now now now

[kraskaesque]

it's self explanatory? mcmenno's not a hydra
he'll have to fool not one but two town heads by allying with us

This doesn't make sense. By that logic, no scum, hydra or not, would volunteer to ally with another hydra. It might even be the case that as a hydra your risk is even higher, since there are two players which two players may read individually, thereby doubling the chance that you'll be caught.

Of course, that risk would apply to ALL of a hydras interactions with the game, so I don't really see why being in an aliance with a hydra is any riskier than normal play in thread.
-Cerb

why does it not make sense. it doesnt really apply to later days
but it's day 1, so for scum their ally's perception of the game is still unpredictable as they have little to go off on
dealing with a hydra is an even bigger gamble


@titus sorry not now, i'll reread tomorrow

[kraskaesque]

that's not how it works driedgrapes
explain ur scumpool first

Wow it's almost like you called them shit just to call them shit because it doesn't seem like you were ready/willing to have a conversation about this.

have you considered that maybe my problem with your reads is i cant see where theyre coming from?

[kraskaesque]

that's normally when you ask for clarification instead of outright discredit someone

whats wrong with discrediting baseless reads? for instance, our iso was just film-talk at the time you made that post
and if you were echoing farfar on our reach out post(which was only fooling around anyway) being icky, then people had even pointed out that seasonfinale isnt endgame by that time. i dont remember who else was in your scum pool rn but i didnt see where the other reads came from either. it looked like busywork

[kraskaesque]

You freaking said "lone scum" when talking about another player and a hypothetical alliance with a hydra. It looks like a legit slip. What is there to explain? The whole explanation made no sense.

Did you miss the part where the alliance isn't hypothetical and the hydra is us?
And "lone scum" was a hypothetical, we're explaining why we don't think that is the case here

Where's the supposed slip?

[kraskaesque]

Regretably i want to ally with mcmenno

I blame you all for giving me no good alternative.

~lycab

[kraskaesque]

NNÑNNNNNNNNN

Hate my phone keyboard

~lycan

[kraskaesque]

that's normally when you ask for clarification instead of outright discredit someone

whats wrong with discrediting baseless reads? for instance, our iso was just film-talk at the time you made that post
and if you were echoing farfar on our reach out post(which was only fooling around anyway) being icky, then people had even pointed out that seasonfinale isnt endgame by that time. i dont remember who else was in your scum pool rn but i didnt see where the other reads came from either. it looked like busywork

Yea here's my issue. That thing you just did.
You're subscribing a bunch of random thought processes to what you think I based my reads on (and, spoilers, none of those things are reasons why I called the people scum that I did).

And circling back to your initial post where you called them shit; that's at least a bit more consistent than what you're pedaling here - that you actually care about how I got there. But that was about an hour or 2 ago before you realized that grapes is a real one and you can't get away with running your mouth.

You want my reasoning on my reads because you need something to grapple with. Because you don't have substance of your own on what you disagreed with. You're out for appearances.

You're scum.

Lmao I don't care what ur reasoning for the read is. Bc I know you don't have any. But if you're going to ask me why I don't get to discredit your reads, you're gonna have to explain them

[kraskaesque]

mcmenno's prob town ^_^
(i'll get back to u about allying when lycan comes on)

y?

because lone scum is unlikely to approach a town hydra for an ally

This is the context. Searching for an SK is outright scummy and suggests Kraska isn't town because he thinks McMenno could be an SK. Hence why lone scum had to be explained.

...that's What u decided it means

[kraskaesque]

mcmenno's prob town ^_^
(i'll get back to u about allying when lycan comes on)

You should actually explain this.

we very quickly townread mcmenno in hydra pt from past games we've both been in with him. i think he's behavior is consistent, and kraska has caught scum!mcmenno before. we thought anyone wanting to ally a hydra might be town, which is why i went silent after asking for the hydras to ally us, because i wasn't being serious by it and suggested kraska (who is kind of active heading here) find someone else to ally. mcmenno approaching us/kraska looked very good.

mcmenno's prob town ^_^
(i'll get back to u about allying when lycan comes on)

y?

because lone scum is unlikely to approach a town hydra for an ally

This is the context. Searching for an SK is outright scummy and suggests Kraska isn't town because he thinks McMenno could be an SK. Hence why lone scum had to be explained.

kraska worded it strange by saying lone scum. we thought the not-hydras asking a hydra to ally could be a towntell.


~lycan

[kraskaesque]

interesting how both RR and OBK immediately assumed scum motive here. would have thought they would have come to the same conclusion


~lycan

[kraskaesque]

can't say i hate farside. going to consult my other head on this one

how do you feel about farside supposedly using an event to prove fakemason?


~lycan

[kraskaesque]

post #356 dear


~lycan

[kraskaesque]

to be honest, i care more about what snarky thinks about it.


~lycan

[kraskaesque]

An ability in the game has confirmed that Farside22 is NOT in a Masonry with Firebringer.
The Stress has increased by 1, towards 'Tragic Destiny'. The current stress is +1.

You think Farside did this?

That's dumb. Why would Farside confirm she's not a mason with Firebringer as scum?

both got some flak for it. for all i know it was a throwaway shot in pregame.


~lycan

[kraskaesque]

using an ability in pregame seemed wasteful. i considered the user may have gotten one shot a day making day 0 free.


~lycan

[kraskaesque]

in particular using an ability on that was wasteful as it was concluded it was a joke.


~lycan

[kraskaesque]

actually, i momentarily confused you for mcmenno which is pretty sad because i posted in hydra pt about cooldog's pressure on him. i recall people were townreading you.


~lycan

[kraskaesque]

i'm firebringer reading firebringer. he likes to remind everyone that he is firebringer. hence my read.


~lycan

[kraskaesque]

This is very untrue.
Kraska listed town reads, pointed to a few things they noted .

This is where the misunderstanding comes in; what we pass for genuine thought processes may be held to different standards.

Can you iso kraska and quote all the instances where they give a process on their reads that isn't surface level?
And how many are there?

Can you explain how we conveniently ended up in your early scum pool after far called us scum? Also you just called your iso odd shit and said snarky is justified in Sr you. Yet when I call your reads shit you flip out
Reminder that you also said your scum read didn't stem from our early allying reach out post, so I would like to know where it came from given that our iso was contentless at the time

[kraskaesque]

Lol Titus stop pestering creature he's town

[kraskaesque]

Lol Titus stop pestering creature he's town

Why? I don't respond to others telling me what to do. That's DOUBLY true for my scumreads. Why should I back off creature?

Why are you onto creature to begin with? i have a gut tr on Creature bc of his entrance posts
I'm fine with you pushing the slot for more content, but I think the way you're doing it now feels more like pestering than productive pressure

[kraskaesque]

Snarky lean town bc theyre sticking out their neck with their farside read

@grapes reply to my post at you pls

[kraskaesque]

Why is Mcmenno being Wagoned?

[kraskaesque]

Okay I'm fucking done with this childish bullshit. Honestly, I could care less about the game or anything because it's so annoying.

Firebringer and Yume, you two

shut the fuck up. No one wants to hear you bicker, and its so childish and demeaning to the both of you. S t o p.

Not even in this thread, all threads. I'm probably beating a dead horse, but Jesus Christ the only thing I hate in Mafia is when people talk shit about others for out of game reasons. I play this game for fun, not to be an asshole

<3333

[kraskaesque]

lycan and i are out of touch with this game
we'll catchup in a couple of days

[kraskaesque]

dont replace out fire
just stop being a meanie to yume
she doesnt seem to poke her head in the thread unless her name is mentioned anyway

[kraskaesque]

btw last game i played with yume she said early in the game that she wants to change perception of her being a flaker
and was active the whole game(altho things got heated later...but)
she seems to be doing fine so far, doesnt look anywhere close to flaking range

[kraskaesque]

fire is a big bad meanie this game
just like get off yume pls

alo who is scum fire

[kraskaesque]

hey shh I already said

hey kraska what do you think of my read huh

grapes is still a question mark for me
i need to read their iso later
im guessing you townread chara right?

[kraskaesque]

Your probably scum

no

[kraskaesque]

KTS looks more town than you, what's with that?

^ hey kts are u just gonna take this shit? ^

[kraskaesque]

im not caught up with the game fire
i'll do stuff later

[kraskaesque]

grapes is kinda really gung ho about lynching chara though
and theyre getting more opposition than support for the push but they keep escalating pressure on chara
looks like they genuinely scumread them

[kraskaesque]

KTS looks more town than you, what's with that?

^ hey kts are u just gonna take this shit? ^

lol Just realised I somehow read that as no more town than you


@farside
But you and fire are widely town read, your boo-ing holds traction

[kraskaesque]

This wagon is jumped on by Creature, who by the fucking way is scum.

Why are you so hellbent on scumreading creature
Your push on Creature was so fucking weird I don't even understand how it materialised
Tell me what I'm missing

[kraskaesque]

"Terrible Justifications for Forced Reads, Insults at townreads, answering for others, self-meta"
All of that is standard town creature awkwardness/quirkiness

[kraskaesque]

Not like ull listen to me anyway so wtv

[kraskaesque]

"Terrible Justifications for Forced Reads, Insults at townreads, answering for others, self-meta"
All of that is standard town creature awkwardness/quirkiness

Haven't you only played one game with him?

I think I've played 2
So? Point is ive seen enough to know this is a superficial scum read

[kraskaesque]

ok so i'm reasonably fatiqued after 20 pages of catchup and not only dealing with grapes v chara but i think i had flash backs when firebringer called yume worthless town and started to cover my eyes.

i feel comfortable being 16 pages out of date and sharing this without kraska. i skipped ahead with not chara's ISO and nothing seems to confirm or damn this at least not without deeper context, but i'm taking a crack at it because kraska was townreading them early on and bringing this up gave her some real doubt about them.

let us start with not chara's pregame play. she started out as a mediator between drixx and firebringer, but did so again between cooldog and mcmenno. in the first case, she defused conflict and claimed firebringer as townread. in the latter she reinforced cooldog's suspicions (351) after being prompted by OBK (370-371). i don't have problems with either of these actions if they wanted to stand by them. my problem begins when she attempts to make her interjection in cooldog's prod on mcmenno seem like normal behavior-

first few posts are just... strange, that's the only way i can think of to describe them. 47 for one, and the lack of reading that there is not voting this phase. just trolling and asking for alliances, the latter of which is fine, while the former is annoying.

but i don't get the town-vibe from McMenno that i have with Firebringer.

not really a scumread, just a lot of posting i don't understand. like is he here for shits and giggles, or is he hunting? looking at his iso, 400 seems to indicate he's putting together reads of some sort...?

i think it's only town to step up for both reads independently of one another. tying their behavior to a previous unrelated read seems to serve no purpose than to justify post 371 as a normal post not chara would make. i would call this an inconsistency. two similar interactions: two different conclusions. yet somehow related. i can't see town motive here.

as for grapes v chara. chara went incredibly aggro on grapes for not sorting people with them fast enough or something to that effect to having their ally buff locked down. imo, it read exactly like chara not having any patience for grapes (evident by their admission that grapes was refusing to sort sircakez and obk efficiently along with being "bored") and decided to sort him publicly. i don't really get this behavior. from the paraphrased PT we received chara never actually says that grapes is refusing to play ball, just that they aren't particularly helpful and everything was derailed by a claim request. if grapes was refusing to go further i would understand putting them in a hotseat, but since it doesn't add up fmpov it seems more likely that chara wants to paint a question mark on grapes and i'm more worried about the scum motives of this than the town motives. it did work, after all. the whole 'negative utility' page or two.

originally i thought her initial grapes townread was incredibly weak and found grapes unsortable without sorting OBK and RR. i think RR heads are allowing themselves to get baited into set up spec, how titus wouldn't do this or that and the whole we're all going to die shit gets old. OBK seems town. kraska has reservations about that last bit though.

i don't think it's fair to bring up not chara but not firebringer, who's been defending them like crazy. i like how he was trying to get under titus' skin for much of the early game. i think just by his wording and titus' responses, she was incredibly annoyed. if this is TvS, he's setting himself up to mess with titus later, and i like that. meanwhile he's so sure of a town!not chara that i seriously think he's overlooked how not chara has IMO fallen under pressure from OBK and weakly poked at mcmenno when prompted by them, only to never really stand by it in the end and trying to tie it with a different read.

VOTE: Not_Chara

i also think seraphim is really suspicious- in 1189 i really dislike his reads on farside and mcmenno. i was really liking farside the longer she stayed on OBK but how she has been reacting to not chara might put her around town lean... i think mcmenno is a lazy scumlean from people that want to get something started but don't want to put in the work to do it. menno seems like pretty good bait if he doesn't turn off noise posts in general. but if you want to take that bait, i want to see someone commit to it, and press it. furthermore his pressure on lurkers felt uninspired. if you want to go for a lurker i'd cheer for you, but he didn't, and instead threw doubt on TWIE and Xkfyu. i don't know how to describe how mundane it felt reading that... it was like seraphim wanted to come up with a reads list and confused it with the groceries they wanted to get from the store. yes please i would like two scum from this absent shelf over here.

seraphim later votes menno citing they hate them more than sircakez, and when poked by mastin about it he says they could "both could very possibly be scum" (1535) then goes into how great their reads of town motive and authenticity are while asking for mastin's mcmenno read. mastin obliges and says that seraphim is looking at one angle and that she personally feels a lack of instristic motive either way. at that point we're promised a substantial post, but i think "your reads are shit" would have sufficed if seraphim thought otherwise.


~lycan

[kraskaesque]

also i unapologetically sat on the hydra account and watched three episodes of dexter while doing it.


~lycan

[kraskaesque]

CALLING THE ONE CALLED NOT CHARA
WANNA ALLY?

[kraskaesque]

Is cake at l-1 rn?

[kraskaesque]

VOTE: cake
Idgaf if this is hammer

[kraskaesque]

Yes

[kraskaesque]

Hey
Can we end this day already
95% of this thread is like the same 6 or 7 people stubbornly arguing with eachother
Scum are probably conveniently hiding behind this noise, and the rest of town is unable to catch up with all this shit to sift through and don't know where to position ourselves when the gamestate is in this sad loop
Just lynch cakeboy already pls

[kraskaesque]

VOTE: foxbird
This is scum

[kraskaesque]

What was up with the sketchy ally thing with fire end of day chara?

Yeah :/

[kraskaesque]

The rr wagon is good
But a foxbird wagon is more pressing
She completely disregarded the most controversial wagons (not chara and cakes) at the time they were happening, and had convenient scumreads on lurker spots(xk and snarku). Nevermind that snarky was kinda obvious town at the time she dropped this scumread after his farside episode anyway

[kraskaesque]

Doesn't varsoons post imply that fire died as a result of cakeboy's alliance/event condition not being met or sth? Doesn't seem like a conventional nightkill

[kraskaesque]

@obi

Firebringer has been removed from the game as a

part of an effect.

[kraskaesque]

hey guys
i was so far behind and that held back our activity bc we couldnt discuss stuff until i caught up, sorry

@rr i dont think youre scum. i said pressure on you is good because i had yet to read your iso and people seemed to call you out for setup speccing a lot and not putting out much content

anyway i'll type out some reads now

[kraskaesque]

Titus Obi-Wan Kenobi

2. Klingoncelt
4. Twin Wings (Foxbird + Inspectorscout)
5. Xkfyu
6. Skybird

7. Almost50

8. Shiro
9. DrippingGoofball

10. Farside22

11. Yume

12. Mathblade Loopdan CooLDoG

13. Reasonably Rational (Cerberus v666 + Drixx)

14. grapes

15. mastin2

16. Not Chara

18. killthestory

19. McMenno

21. TheFuzzylogic99 Seraphim

22. SnarkySnowman

23. Creature

24. randomidget
25. TheWayItEnds

striked out people im reading town, that leaves
kling
foxbird
xk
skybird
shiro
dgb
mathblade
kts
seraphim
randomidget
twie

of these, foxbird and seraphim are prob scum
the rest are unsorted...i need to go through their isos


post on rr coming up next

[kraskaesque]

@fuzzy

i also think seraphim is really suspicious- in 1189 i really dislike his reads on farside and mcmenno. i was really liking farside the longer she stayed on OBK but how she has been reacting to not chara might put her around town lean... i think mcmenno is a lazy scumlean from people that want to get something started but don't want to put in the work to do it. menno seems like pretty good bait if he doesn't turn off noise posts in general. but if you want to take that bait, i want to see someone commit to it, and press it. furthermore his pressure on lurkers felt uninspired. if you want to go for a lurker i'd cheer for you, but he didn't, and instead threw doubt on TWIE and Xkfyu. i don't know how to describe how mundane it felt reading that... it was like seraphim wanted to come up with a reads list and confused it with the groceries they wanted to get from the store. yes please i would like two scum from this absent shelf over here.

seraphim later votes menno citing they hate them more than sircakez, and when poked by mastin about it he says they could "both could very possibly be scum" (1535) then goes into how great their reads of town motive and authenticity are while asking for mastin's mcmenno read. mastin obliges and says that seraphim is looking at one angle and that she personally feels a lack of instristic motive either way. at that point we're promised a substantial post, but i think "your reads are shit" would have sufficed if seraphim thought otherwise.

[kraskaesque]

on rr:

Looking back at early interactions between fire and drixx, and fire’s status at the time, i think this unnecessary mudslinging is more likely to come from town than not. He massacred in with unnecessary snark that unsurprisingly backfired in his face, and the subject of that snark was one of the most vocal/widely townread people in the game at the time. titus was pretty much the only person not calling them scum after that, but They themselves called titus a volatile ally, so they couldnt have counted on titus to help them escape rope and would have definitely adjusted their play if they were scum. I see no netgain here from the early attack on fire, which is why it is likely town. All they gained from their early snark is attract negative attention. also how many times did they get written off as scum for setup spec? and yet theyre still putting out one setup spec post after the other. again, if they were scum and counting on setupspec for towncred, they would have toned this down or stopped this long ago because it clearly isnt helping them

Moving on to the part of the thread where sircakez comes under scrunity, it was rr’s breakdown of cakeboy’s iso that really put him on the spot and denied him wriggle room
Prior and paralell to cake's wagon, lots of wagons assembled and then quickly dissolved because the people ushering them(titus, mastin, far, fire) did not put out much solid content to incriminate the people being wagoned. But rr’s case on cake is what really put him on the spot. There were other potential lynches on the table that could have went through and cakeboy’s wagon could have dissolved because people were calling him scummy and he kept countering by saying his play always comes off as scummy anyway. it’s rr who made cake pull a whiteflag imo

So yeah now that i’ve properly read their iso, im positive theyre town

[kraskaesque]

why is Seraphim/fuzzy scum?

when did you start disagreeing with lycan's scumread of me? or did you ever agree?

i dont think i ever scumread you at any point in the game
early game i quickly wrote you off as strongest townread, because your posting seemed consistent with the impression i have of your personality/mindset from REDACTED
the things you were being scumread for early game; reading two similar situations differently, inconsistency, retracting on a read or opinion when pressed about it because you forgot what prompted that read...etc are quirks ive seen before in your town game
but after lycan pointed out some stuff in your iso and your play was getting more erratic under grape's pressure, i started feeling that i might need to reconsider
i feel comfortable placing you as town now after your interactions with cake and our alliance pt talk

[kraskaesque]

not chara and mastin are my strongest townreads

^referring to this post^

[kraskaesque]

so that leaves a kraska/klingoncelt/RR/Snarky pool

this is so bad
and these are foxbird's reads after being caught up
omgus, no idea on klig, rr is a convenient scumread being thrown all over the place so they wont be scrutinized for not backing it up and snarky's iso looks pretty town

[kraskaesque]

We're allying with chara ftr

[kraskaesque]

How is fire back o.o
Me confuse

[kraskaesque]

I want to lynch within this pool:
Kling/Kraska/RR/DGB/maybe mathblade

But I'm town! =(

@chara go on explain that pls

[kraskaesque]

I want to lynch within this pool:
Kling/Kraska/RR/DGB/maybe mathblade

But I'm town! =(

@chara go on explain that pls

No you aren't.
You are obviously scum kraska. You haven't done any town tells at all.

I find this game overwhelming and the mechanics are doing my head in
Anyway why is rr scum?

[kraskaesque]

Lycan has had a habit of lurking as scum too.
So that is also out there.

Lycan isn't lurking, he's just busy
He hasn't checked in on the hydra pt for days

[kraskaesque]

kraska: ignore the mechanics. what do you think of Math's wagon and their behaviour?

Don't like the wagon, because I don't feel one way or the other on cooldog/math. id rather a wagon on seraphimslot or foxbird
about Math's behaviour; don't understand why they're scumreading grapes or us. They're being weird but I've seen them be moonlogicy as town before so meh.

[kraskaesque]

Multiple reasons, including the more talk on unrelated stuff or setup interactions/theory talk, instead of talking about players. He has done more on this day, but its still hollow. Day 1 was the worst, he was just making shit up.

Iso me, I wrote a post on why I think they're town
Tell me what u think of it

[kraskaesque]

Math is unreasonable as town.
I don't know who you been playing with, but reasonableness is a scum tell with them

What about their scum read on grapes and us is reasonable? -_- go back and read their posts in us

[kraskaesque]

Your face is unreasonable.

Are u going to read my post on rr or not?

[kraskaesque]

Suicide squad is a shit film

[kraskaesque]

Suicide squad is a shit film

Your face is shit.

Seriously how can u like that shit
I'm dissappojnt in u

[kraskaesque]

Omg shutup y'all I'm freakig town

[kraskaesque]

This makes me feel a tad better on my VCA results.

Where did you do vca and what were ur other results

[kraskaesque]

This makes me feel a tad better on my VCA results.

Where did you do vca and what were ur other results

These last few pages. My conclusion is either scum are really suboptimal or something's really wrong with the conclusion RR scum NC town

Can u give me a tldr on why you think rr is scum?

[kraskaesque]

Cerb's 180 on Cakey at the end of D1 did not sit well

But then what does he gain by doing a 180 on an inevitable lynch? Especially after casing cakes and putting him in hot water

[kraskaesque]

But then I go back to the wagons and I scratch my head

Which wagons?

[kraskaesque]

"Immunity"? :s
Also wat
Is shadowsrep in this game

Oops

Pedit: oh

[kraskaesque]

Can Titus and farside stop posting for like a couple of days
It's hard to care about this game bc of you 2
You've made your stances clear
If you haven't noticed, more than half the player list isn't posting anything readable. Maybe if u two go away for a bit, stuff will start happening

[kraskaesque]

Can Titus and farside stop posting for like a couple of days
It's hard to care about this game bc of you 2
You've made your stances clear
If you haven't noticed, more than half the player list isn't posting anything readable. Maybe if u two go away for a bit, stuff will start happening

I can do that.

Mod: v/LA till Sunday

10 to 1 Titus will still spam the threaf.

sorry if that sounded rude
but you two need to take a break from this

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There you go, nothing town about that at all.
According to Titus you are scum who can't so a simple request

Yea but I am so charming I make it look town :p

Hey Farside, I think we have a single scumread we agree on and that is DGB.

I would lynch her cause the town game I have seen from her is not one of apathy like here.

What do you think, let's forget our differences for a moment and embrace similarities.

hey shiro
why do you think dgb is scum?

[kraskaesque]

@shadow
how caught up are you with the thread?

[kraskaesque]

There you go, nothing town about that at all.
According to Titus you are scum who can't so a simple request

Yea but I am so charming I make it look town :p

Hey Farside, I think we have a single scumread we agree on and that is DGB.

I would lynch her cause

the town game I have seen from her is not one of apathy like here

.

What do you think, let's forget our differences for a moment and embrace similarities.

hey shiro
why do you think dgb is scum?

that's it? nothing else? that's pretty weak
there're 200+ pgs of shit to sift thru, apathy doesnt mean anything

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aren they at l-1 or whatever? there was no wagon on them when i logged off, i came back to find them at l-1
and their reads look shit but like ive said ive seen them be moonlogic-y before as town so i dont feel one way or the other about them
i'd like pressure on shadow and whoever is seraphim now instead

pedit: wow

[kraskaesque]

Don't like the wagon, because I don't feel one way or the other on cooldog/math. id rather a wagon on seraphimslot or foxbird
about Math's behaviour; don't understand why they're scumreading grapes or us. They're being weird but I've seen them be moonlogicy as town before so meh.

Can this even be considered a waffle?

Like what's the step up from that.

This is a Grandma's homemade level waffle.

is this how you plan on engaging me
i can see a dumb tunnel in the making
no thanks

[kraskaesque]

Each their own for now. Right now I am more focused on MathBlade. Their insistence on scum being within obvtown irks me. Either, they are scum and desperate or town and failing. Either way, I do not want to deal with the headache again. I think their ability is shit too (although others disagree). Their VCA was substandard when I asked them to look at the wagons. Assuming Farside town, their play only serves to keep me v Farside going.

I don't give two shits about my substandard VCA argument when I have said multiple times I had two hours to read the thread. There was no VCA. You and Mastina are being deliberately bad.

Not wanting to deal with me is not indicative of my alignment. You said I am a townbeard. That means you are advocated a lynch on someone you read as town.If you weren't this townfirm nonsense I would say it is a scum claim. How about you put your vote on someone who you actually think is scum?

hey math
wanna vote shadow/foxbird?

[kraskaesque]

and @creature vote shadow with us

[kraskaesque]

@math
their predecessor's posts were also horrible

The rr wagon is good
But a foxbird wagon is more pressing
She completely disregarded the most controversial wagons (not chara and cakes) at the time they were happening, and had convenient scumreads on lurker spots(xk and snarku). Nevermind that snarky was kinda obvious town at the time she dropped this scumread after his farside episode anyway

so that leaves a kraska/klingoncelt/RR/Snarky pool

this is so bad
and these are foxbird's reads after being caught up
omgus, no idea on klig, rr is a convenient scumread being thrown all over the place so they wont be scrutinized for not backing it up and snarky's iso looks pretty town

[kraskaesque]

flipflopping creature is town creature
can a shadow wagon become a thing now?

[kraskaesque]

@chara
when town, he's more present in the game, flipflops a lot, weakly defends his TRs, gets frustrated when pressed and shows more progression of reads...and this is what im seeing so far in this game

[kraskaesque]

oh god just go away

[kraskaesque]

seriously wtf is wrong with you people
why do you feel the need to shut me down as soon as i post

[kraskaesque]

that is shutting down
because it attacks my post without addressing its contents and i have nothing to reply to. your post doesnt prompt any conversation

[kraskaesque]

also just to be clear, you think creature is obvscum?

[kraskaesque]

because thats who im fucking talking about

[kraskaesque]

im. talking. about. creature.

[kraskaesque]

chara asked me about him last page

[kraskaesque]

meh my bad
still think your scumread on me bc i was talking to grapes "politely" doesnt even make sense

[kraskaesque]

If a wagon forms on shiro id join that
Their "scumread" on dgb for being low activity is pretty meh

[kraskaesque]

@kraska: there's a lot more reason to suspect DGB than just her low activity.

I know
Which is why I was interested in what shiro has to say
But he has nothing on her other than "apathy"
Kind of feels like he's just echoing other people and going for a noncontroversial scumread

[kraskaesque]

Wow
There's like 10 New pages of shit
I see farside and Titus are still fighting
Stop. That. Shit.
It's the fucking weekend, take a break you two

[kraskaesque]

no the other one is

looks fairly reasonable I guess? but why is kraskaesque in it they aren't really super town I mean I can understand why you would have not chara as strong town but kraskaesque?

Do you ever not parrot people
Like
Just wondering
What an asswipe

[kraskaesque]

VOTE: Kraskaesque

Understandable, but I'd prefer you not do this.
I tend to reserve the term 'shiny' for players who are town that're distractions, and kraskaesque is increasingly failing the town half of that. (I really empathize with why you voted after 5477. I get it. I really, really do! It's just not what you're needed for right now.)
But, I can say that

regardless

of their alignment, they are nonetheless a distraction from Mathblade.

I need your help pushing that through, especially if you don't want some shitty lynch you don't support to go through in its stead.

Wtf?
You "empathise" with why he voted after 5477?
You "get it"?
You "really do"?
Wtf
Just fucking stop

[kraskaesque]

You all piss me off
If I come back to this on Monday and find 50 New pages of the same shit, I won't even bother to read
Suck it

[kraskaesque]

Mennos I wanna apologise for that awful post =(
That was mean and I don't know why I wrote it =(
make up hugs? </3

[kraskaesque]

='(

[kraskaesque]

Like what?
No one in these past few pages is even talking about mechanics

[kraskaesque]

Okay

[kraskaesque]

Who's scum, random?

[kraskaesque]

Foxbird is guilty of the same things you're calling seraphim out for, shadow
Just substitute menno with snarky

[kraskaesque]

Why are there no votes on shadow
Foxbirds iso is oozing scum and shadows vote on creature does nothing to redeem the slot
I'll eat cardboard if this doesn't flip scum

[kraskaesque]

I'm not talking about lurking
I'm talking about convenient votes on lurkers, convenient scumreads

[kraskaesque]

I generally find conf town players to play worse
@kraska working on a scum list. I'm currently missing pages 220-236

Nothing imp happened in those
Id skip them if I were you

[kraskaesque]

@shiro it still feels like you're just echoing people with your dgb scum read
Last time I asked, you had nothing on her other than apathy
And now you're implying the wagon is good because only one potential scum is on it
Even though kling and dgb can't both be scum after their interactions

[kraskaesque]

Guys math isn't scum
Their posts don't look like self preservation, if that's what they were trying to do they wouldn't have made the pushes they made
Can we move on to actual scum like shadow?

[kraskaesque]

VOTE: TFL

No. Stop being stewpid.

Shadowstep is a scumread now.

Vote him with me then

[kraskaesque]

Guys math isn't scum
Their posts don't look like self preservation, if that's what they were trying to do they wouldn't have made the pushes they made
Can we move on to actual scum like shadow?

Kraska, we disagree.

Math is pushing the ridiculous to get posts like yours and leave no information when they flip. If you're going down, why attack people and conftown them?

Do scum have day chat? Math would have been told to stay away from you and Mastin
why wouldn't they kiss up to you and sheep you onto farside or whoever it is you want gone

[kraskaesque]

And if he is you are bussing.

Im not! ^_^

[kraskaesque]

Guys math isn't scum
Their posts don't look like self preservation, if that's what they were trying to do they wouldn't have made the pushes they made
Can we move on to actual scum like shadow?

Kraska, we disagree.

Math is pushing the ridiculous to get posts like yours and leave no information when they flip. If you're going down, why attack people and conftown them?

Do scum have day chat? Math would have been told to stay away from you and Mastin
why wouldn't they kiss up to you and sheep you onto farside or whoever it is you want gone

From the first post:
Any and all anti-town factions in this game have day-chat.
Please bold all requests to myself so that they don’t get missed.

Okay then so my point stands

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mathblade claimed? o.0
did dgb claim ascetic? idk what she claimed i just know there was sth going on with kling about claims

[kraskaesque]

titus this is a 21 player game and that was day 1
that 3 wagons on town pop up in parallel isnt that far fetched

[kraskaesque]

and yes im pretty sure all three of rr, menno and chara are town

[kraskaesque]

Could all the vanity wagoners please express why their wagon is superior to the two which are currently under consideration?

-Cerb

iso me
i have explained why foxbird/shadow is scum many times but the votes arent piling on for some weird reason
that slot is obvious scum

[kraskaesque]

dgb could be scum *shrugs* idk, math is town
foxbird slot is obvious scum so that gets priority

[kraskaesque]

Guys math isn't scum
Their posts don't look like self preservation, if that's what they were trying to do they wouldn't have made the pushes they made

Mathblade's been alternating votes, continuously, between Shiro and DGB, the two largest counterwagons to them.

That isn't an effort at self-preservation...

...

How

?

Fixed.

That is completely subdued by their bickering with Titus which was like digging their own grave
I think math frustration is real and I believe them

[kraskaesque]

That statement gets a lynch vote from from me Drixx. CoolDog is skilled enough to know to claim that. I think it's said here negative utility needed to claim. Their goal is to avoid a lynch.

KC is not the bubbler.

replacements into slots being wagoned making belated ascetic claims is scummy as shit
How did that help math avoid a lynch? It helped like on more votes

[kraskaesque]

Helped pile* on

[kraskaesque]

Meh i knew you were going to retort with "Well it's working on you"
(I don't think lycan will like what im doing either anyway but)
I'm pretty sure this one will flip town

[kraskaesque]

6142

Oh and regardless of Math's flip, I will want to lynch Kraska tomorrow.

You'll need 10 more votes to get me lynched ^_^
Also no more alliances for me in done with this bullshit

[kraskaesque]

Don't worry chara that's not what I meant ^_^
I just don't want to invest more time in this crap if I'm getting lynched anyway

[kraskaesque]

Math is still pretty obvious sitting duck ^_^

[kraskaesque]

Lol math is still calling me scum

[kraskaesque]

DGB Creature Shadow Kraska all the scums if the three are all town.

kraska most likely scum in here

Don't push my buttons again

[kraskaesque]

Teatoss you don't get to tunnel me tom after math flips town, okay?

[kraskaesque]

No. You owe me one after hammering me last game

[kraskaesque]

Okay but I'm pretty town this game and I didn't ask u to self hammer

[kraskaesque]

Deal

[kraskaesque]

Lol kling is forever stuck 20 pages in the past

[kraskaesque]

We shoudl be lytnching shasoq tom

[kraskaesque]

Shasow*

[kraskaesque]

Must serve others. Others must see this. Don't look back!
Look only forward. In your mind, it's raining. Everywhere else, it's also raining. So protect yourself.

mod lies? o.0

Who voted chara When there's 3 confirmed town around?

Also can someone explain wtf is going on with the hidden flips

[kraskaesque]

what

what

[kraskaesque]

Anyway
VOTE: shadow

[kraskaesque]

What the fuck are you on about me being on about

[kraskaesque]

And? What the fuck is wrong with asking that?

[kraskaesque]

Oh I get it
I was talking about the event not your vote

[kraskaesque]

Voted titus

[kraskaesque]

I thought the obvious thing to do was vote Titus
Since her confirmation was right above the event's description and all

[kraskaesque]

kraska, did you end up getting an ally?

Nope

And voting Titus was still the obvious thing to do. Idk why people would opt to voting mastin

[kraskaesque]

Omg titus you can't be this blind to your own behavior. That's false, you were just as fault for that shit as far side.

[kraskaesque]

Cerb I get why you're annoyed
But the minute Titus confirmation happened, and right above the event's description, you should have voted her instead

[kraskaesque]

Chara who did u vote

[kraskaesque]

Well chara and farside
It's kind of obvious but claim anyway

[kraskaesque]

kraska: yes, it really is.

But why'd you do that
Like what was the point when the votes were obviously going to gravitate towards the conftowns

[kraskaesque]

If I take chara and far at their word, they're conftown

[kraskaesque]

i'm not going to let myself be swayed by vocal town in that manner again if i can help it.

Owww drats
I was planning on yelling until shadow gets rope >:(

[kraskaesque]

(I'll be gone for like a couple of days bye)

[kraskaesque]

Titus are you gonna do mathblade all over and ignore the fact that chara's score means far is town? Just answer with yes or no

[kraskaesque]

Can someone please update the list with who voted who? I'll catch up with this game tom or tuesday

[kraskaesque]

Titus are you gonna do mathblade all over and ignore the fact that chara's score means far is town? Just answer with yes or no

That's not a fact. I will explain

why

after claims.

Then why not save your 1v1 with her until after claims when you can explain things? :s

[kraskaesque]

Oneechan is farside.Okasan is Titus. Otasan is my slot

Hehehe

[kraskaesque]

@titus
i think what fayar said about you not being aware of how your actions are playing a huge part in keeping this shitfest going is true
back when i bitched a little on day 2 about you two, far immediately backed down but then you baited her again
and at the start of this day you were totally baiting her before she even posted anything
suffice to say the fact that you went as far as unnecessarily confirm yourself as town and knowingly ruined RR's plan to do a "HA! IN YOUR FACE" to far is...

[kraskaesque]

fayar

[kraskaesque]

Titus are you gonna do mathblade all over and ignore the fact that chara's score means far is town? Just answer with yes or no

That's not a fact. I will explain

why

after claims.

Then why not save your 1v1 with her until after claims when you can explain things? :s

Because a) RR highlighted the guilty and b) there is no method to 100% clear any slot.

okay but you havent claimed your abilities before and far doesnt know what kind of guilty you have on her right?

[kraskaesque]

@Titus: Stop calling us her defense attorney. We want people to think things through and not be stupid, that's all. Right now we have 3 ascetic claims, one of which has flipped town. This means it's no longer as cut and dry as "late claim NU and we lynch you ". That much should be obvious, and you should be able to follow with the reasoning behind it.

WITH THAT SAID....I still want the rest of the beach city votes before I say anything more on farside.

farside claimed ascetic? @titus..do you actually have a guilty on her then?
pedit: oh ok
what do you mean she claimed otherwise?

[kraskaesque]

HAPPY BDAY MCMENTOS

[kraskaesque]

@Moi

/

@Shiro

/

@grapes

:

Please remind me who you guys were/are allied with on D1/D2/D3. Thank you

Thank you, Shiro.

@Moi & grapes

(also kindly, Shadow & kraska, please)

Fay 1 mcmenno
Day 2 share
Day 3 noone

[kraskaesque]

Come on, RR, I know you're online, so vote with me. You agreed to help me stop the Cluster and now that my original plan is ruined, I have to resort to this instead.

What's "the cluster"?

[kraskaesque]

Beach city says scum gets 1 point voting there alliance buddy and 1.5 for voting themselves.
That doesn't equal 5.

This is important.
Titus does not have a guilty. She targeted me and was told by the mod I roleblocked her

And again I'm not going to be lynched but this is fun watching math 2.0 all over again.

I'm confused
Did you intentionally roleblock Titus or was her check on you was passively stopped bc you're ascetic?

[kraskaesque]

@farside can you please sloooowly explain this third party stuff to me? and what are all the things you did to gain points for your 3p win con?

[kraskaesque]

Come on, RR, I know you're online, so vote with me. You agreed to help me stop the Cluster and now that my original plan is ruined, I have to resort to this instead.

What's "the cluster"?

[kraskaesque]

Says responsible for bubbling me [scummy]

Didn't you just say that it was farside Who is responsible for this?

Pedit: where?

[kraskaesque]

Oh so that's what it's called lol
Man I miss allying with chara and asking all these dumb questions in the alliance pt

[kraskaesque]

Yume is this cluster shit your doing? If so I wanna know if it's counted as an exposition or climax event or if it's active during both

[kraskaesque]

Like is it active right now or only during the night? Also how will people die? I mean who decides who dies?

[kraskaesque]

@mod is the cluster event active during the day too?

[kraskaesque]

WELL THEN HOW IS MOI ABLE TO STOP AN EVENT THAT HAS ALREADG BEEN RESOLVED??

[kraskaesque]

YOU KNOW WHAT
I DON'T GET THIS GAME OR THE EVENTS OR THE POINTS I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT'S GOING ON
LET'S JUST LYNCH SHADOW WHO IS SCUM

[kraskaesque]

LUNCH SHADOEW

[kraskaesque]

FARSIDE VOTE SHAASQOE WITH ME

[kraskaesque]

IT'S LUNCH TIME OVER HERE
also if anyone asks me to explain why shadow is scum one more time in going to cry