STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Firebringer]

Why did you share that KC is likely related to the crystal gems, given your knowledge that flavorwise, the gems are likely to be town/strong PRs?

Scum likely have good fake flavor which likely includes the gems, I don't know how you don't think they would all be confirm town otherwise there wouldn't be major reason for them to all just claim to eliminate people for us to suspect. Varsoon wouldn't make a game where every single crystal gem flavor was town, I think better of him than that.

[Firebringer]

I mean Sir Cakez flavor claim was Greg. I wouldn't think that was scum flavor.

[kraskaesque]

I want to lynch within this pool:
Kling/Kraska/RR/DGB/maybe mathblade

But I'm town! =(

@chara go on explain that pls

[Firebringer]

pedit: i have theories on Firebringer's removal. notably, that it was a town action.

If it was a town action I want to help the scum kill those townies.

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

As much as Math is driving me crazy, I am concerned scum are whiteknighting here. I don't want to lynch Math because they are stubborn bullheaded and acting like extra scum. That would be lynching the Townbeard. I will likely be revolting Math because I think they are a vote for scum regardless of alignment, I would like to hope they can change. We cannot afford two Farsides.

I was hoping Math would go deeper with the vote analysis because the VCA is troubling. I just cannot get it to fit the common consensus of RR scum NC town. It makes no sense. I keep getting back NC and RR are the same fucking alignment, or NC scum. Both being scum is compelling with the votes.

have you considered that VCA isn't always correct?
...or both me and Rational being town? why is that option so impossible? why does the common town consensus matter to your reads?
and, finally. if you think scum are whiteknighting Math, why couldn't they have been doing the same to me? SirCakez certainly was.

VCA tells the story of the game. VCA is never incorrect. It only errs with faulty assumptions or improper applications (using VCA to tunnel isn't good but it should mostly be used to clear as townbeards give false positives).

The common town consensus is a check on me going off into Lala land early. I am also trying to be more of a team player as town.

You and RR being town makes little sense. Why does the McMenno wagon pop up at all? And almost none of the voters wanted either of you. Most of the voters on RR and you are cleared/obvtown. Where's the scum? On McMenno d1.

Scum might have been whiteknighting you sure, but with RR scum, they would suddenly stop and try to get you lynched if playing competently. If you and RR were town, why don't scum just make one of you the counter to SirCakez?

It's too early for this to be the final Vc, but I am scratching my head.

[Firebringer]

I want to lynch within this pool:
Kling/Kraska/RR/DGB/maybe mathblade

But I'm town! =(

@chara go on explain that pls

No you aren't.
You are obviously scum kraska. You haven't done any town tells at all.

[Firebringer]

Lycan has had a habit of lurking as scum too.
So that is also out there.

And I know he hasn't been posting since like day 1.

[Not Chara]

I want to lynch within this pool:
Kling/Kraska/RR/DGB/maybe mathblade

But I'm town! =(

@chara go on explain that pls

talk to the game like you've talked to me in the hood. i don't really feel like doing a towncase on you based on hood interactions when there isn't a need for it. ;>
and i really, really want you to participate in the game.

[Reasonably Rational]

@FB: I actually suggested that early in the day phase. At least, once it was clear to me that your removal from the game was not due to a scum action, I said it was possible that scum had to forgo to a kill in order to trigger the event.

Pretty certain my removal was still scum action

Okay, let's back this up and establish some things.

Do you believe that Mastin is conftown?

-Cerb

pedit: I don't care about mastins threat. I care about farside22 ending the day as soon as that wagon hits whatever threshold she wants it to be at. We're still actively working to solve the game right now.

peditx2: Every crystal gem was town in SU1. However, I do agree with you in theory, BUT does it really make sense for them to out themselves to you while you were bubbled? I take it there was a thread you could talk in, and she(and others, apparently) could talk in/read, but you didn't KNOW who else was in there. Doesn't make sense for scum to let you know who they are. At least, not on a surface level. In addition...see my first question about mastin being conftown. Once I know your thoughts on that, we can proceed.

[Not Chara]

Lycan has had a habit of lurking as scum too.
So that is also out there.

And I know he hasn't been posting since like day 1.

only kraska has posted in the hood at all, either. i haven't heard from lycan.

[Firebringer]

Do you believe that Mastin is conftown?

Yes I think she is town, but I also think mastin is making up shit as she goes. So I don't trust a word she says.

[Titus]

i was actually so convinced there was scum on my early wagon because i thought there

had

to be. now i'm just thinking scum wanted to see if they could get a lynch on me that was comprised of all/mostly town.

in fact. in the first SU (the game i will forever bring up for being the only large theme i've read fully), Beer was town and lynched day 1. the only scum on that wagon was Sonic X, if i remember correctly. you were scum in that game Titus. what happened?

Yeah, there were two major town wagons and we let town eat itself. The wagons don't quite match that here though.

[Not Chara]

Cerb:

must

we proceed with this line of thought right now? it's irrelevant to what's happening at the moment. i understand you enjoy theory posting, but really.
though, i'd forgotten about farside wanting to shoot DGB. fair.

[grapes]

@Titus

Probably because scum had been -mostly- not playing the game at that point. I think.

Like, if chara's town, scum involvment there is probably kraska, or stragglers keeping their options open.

That's going off of not even reading the VCs, though.

Also scum become less predictable when getting gallows'd.

[Not Chara]

Yeah, there were two major town wagons and we let town eat itself. The wagons don't quite match that here though.

explain why? how can you tell what the scumteam is thinking through VCA if you don't know who the scum are? besides SirCakez.

[Firebringer]

@Titus

Probably because scum had been -mostly- not playing the game at that point. I think.

Like, if chara's town, scum involvment there is probably kraska, or stragglers keeping their options open.

That's going off of not even reading the VCs, though.

Also scum become less predictable when getting gallows'd.

This.

[kraskaesque]

I want to lynch within this pool:
Kling/Kraska/RR/DGB/maybe mathblade

But I'm town! =(

@chara go on explain that pls

No you aren't.
You are obviously scum kraska. You haven't done any town tells at all.

I find this game overwhelming and the mechanics are doing my head in
Anyway why is rr scum?

[Reasonably Rational]

Do you believe that Mastin is conftown?

Yes I think she is town, but I also think mastin is making up shit as she goes. So I don't trust a word she says.

Okay, you believe she is town. Full stop.

Why would town KNOW the details of how a scum ability worked? The only scenario I can envision is one where Mastin has a private PT of some sort with someone who is scum, and who used that power on you, and that individual explained how it would work to mastin...

HOWEVER.

MASTIN SAID SHE WOULD ASK VARSOON TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING ABOUT IT TO HER.

That means that whatever power was used, is directly related to her role in some way, because otherwise she would have no expectation of being able to receive an answer.

Therefore...it was a town power.

Barking up the wrong tree(actually, I'm not sure what tree you're barking up, so it might be the right tree...but that reason is wrong).

-Cerb

@NC: What do you want me to stop talking about exactly? It's almost midnight yo and I should have been asleep 2 hours ago, so I'm sorta just on autopilot here.

[Reasonably Rational]

If you come back and say you think she was "making" that "shit up" I'm going to be very disappointed in you FB.

-Cerb

[kraskaesque]

Lycan has had a habit of lurking as scum too.
So that is also out there.

Lycan isn't lurking, he's just busy
He hasn't checked in on the hydra pt for days

[Firebringer]

Why would town KNOW the details of how a scum ability worked? The only scenario I can envision is one where Mastin has a private PT of some sort with someone who is scum, and who used that power on you, and that individual explained how it would work to mastin...

HOWEVER.

MASTIN SAID SHE WOULD ASK VARSOON TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING ABOUT IT TO HER.

That means that whatever power was used, is directly related to her role in some way, because otherwise she would have no expectation of being able to receive an answer.

Therefore...it was a town power.

Barking up the wrong tree(actually, I'm not sure what tree you're barking up, so it might be the right tree...but that reason is wrong).

Maybe you shouldn't post "Full stop" before reading the rest of my post.
Like my posts are like 10% what you post. Its not hard to read.

When I said "I think she is just making shit up" I think she is pretending like she knows more than she does because REASONS. You can say thats stupid or w/e but thats what I think.

she is lying and she has backtracked on her lies at least two times. I think she is town, but she is worthless as someone who has "info" as far as I am concerned.

She knows nothing.

[Not Chara]

kraska: ignore the mechanics. what do you think of Math's wagon and their behaviour?

pedit: for the record, Cerb. i very much agree with you on it being a town power.
this is autopilot? impressive.
but, in all seriousness. i'd much rather see reads analysis than mechanics analysis. especially when the discussion involves Firebringer and mastin, who are both town. are you trying to hunt Firebringer here?

[Firebringer]

If you come back and say you think she was "making" that "shit up" I'm going to be very disappointed in you FB.

-Cerb

Okay.

[Titus]

@grapes/fire Did day 1 in this feel like day 1 in SU1?

@NC, VCA involves taking reads/flips, plugging them in and seeing what makes sense supposing a

rational

scumteam under current site meta.

Like, we can look at who is the counter to scum and the populations on wagons and reasses. I usually want more flips. Say, day 3 or so, but the pattern feels off on this.

[Not Chara]

but, ugh. Cerb has kindly reminded me that it's 2am. i'm going to go.

thinking on it, lycan's disappearance is probably NIA. if he was just lurking i'm sure i would have seen

some

hint of him in our hood.