Open 652- Making Friends and Enemies: Over

[Martha Zolanski]

And it's really early for me to replace out and I decided to try to make things work out

[NJAC]

Yeah, nope. Martha is town and her wagon seems scumdriven.

Let me reread...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I do, yeah.

I thought his attack on Naru was pretty bad (especially as I questioned the same thing Naru did but Hark didn't question me on it) and I don't like his position regarding the Martha wagon. He 'slightly scumreads' her but has other preferences, looks like scum taking a safe position to me.

If Martha is town, it is scum trying to avoid being on a major wagon. If Martha is scum, it could be a potential buddy trying to blend in with the popular wagon whilst not having to commit to the bus. It all feels wrong to me.

[Thor665]

Wow. Really just wow. I'm really frustrated that my random wagon was formed. It doesn't sound town to me. Yes, I took back my replacement because it's stupid for me to do it.

I can get that you're frustrated about a wagon on you.
I will agree replacing out like you did was stupid.

Don't really get the point of repeating this, you've said these things before to us. Do you feel someone is missing the message?

[Zyf]

Wow, what is that about.

VOTE: Hark

Can you explain the VI line please?

Can't you see I'm playing dumb and idiot af every mafia game

Playing dumb is not a defense
especially with the attitude that it should be a justification
seriously now this is fucking horrendous

[Zyf]

Wow, what is that about.

VOTE: Hark

Can you explain the VI line please?

Can't you see I'm playing dumb and idiot af every mafia game

scumteam is {Zyf, Naru}

gg

Hark is scum pretending to townslip because there's clearly THREE scum in the first post

GGGGG

[Io]

I'm going to make a more meaningful post when I get back home and not just phone posting as I read, but honestly Martha and Zyf are both looking like a scum team to me. I'll post actual quotes of why when I get home, but looking at their reads of each other they are so flip-floppy. Zyf goes back and forth of voting Martha and Martha goes from town reading him for not voting on her wagon, to a not very clear read but still gives off the sense that Martha doesn't like Zyf in 85 as she calls him just a sheep, and switches to defending him in the more recent 115.
If it was just one going back and forth on reads it would be suspicious, but both of them doing it on each other looks very scummy.

VOTE: Martha
Because they are the most voted one and I see both as scum and it doesn't matter to me which is lynched first.

[Harkonnen97]

If Martha is town, it is scum trying to avoid being on a major wagon. If Martha is scum, it could be a potential buddy trying to blend in with the popular wagon whilst not having to commit to the bus. It all feels wrong to me.

So, regardless of Martha's alignment, I'm scum?
If so, why aren't you voting me? Aren't I confirmed scum from your PoV?

[Zyf]

Wow, what is that about.

VOTE: Hark

Can you explain the VI line please?

Can't you see I'm playing dumb and idiot af every mafia game

scumteam is {Zyf, Naru}

gg

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Vote Count

3 Martha Zolanski (Thor665, Narurider, karnos, BlueBloodedToffee)
3 Harkonnen97 (Penguin Power, Zyf)

1 BlueBloodedToffee (Martha Zolanski)
1 Narurider (Harkonnen97)
1 Zyf (NJAC)

Not Voting: Not_Mafia, Loopdan, Dunnstral, Io

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

WTF
Martha has 4, Hark has 2
mod pls

Sorry, I forgot to change the numbers. Fixing now

[Harkonnen97]

Zyf FoSed Martha, yet he didn't vote her

why no reply to this?
already gave up, scumlord?

Second time Zyf is purposely ignoring my posts.

[Thor665]

I do, yeah.

I thought his attack on Naru was pretty bad (especially as I questioned the same thing Naru did but Hark didn't question me on it)

Why should he have? I see people repeat questions all the time in games. Like, why would he do that as scum, but not as town?

and I don't like his position regarding the Martha wagon. He 'slightly scumreads' her but has other preferences, looks like scum taking a safe position to me.

He's actually taken a hard stance either way and flip flopped positions a bit.
I, personally, find that an unlikely scum play, and also see it easily falling within the confines of town reacting to new info.

If Martha is town, it is scum trying to avoid being on a major wagon. If Martha is scum, it could be a potential buddy trying to blend in with the popular wagon whilst not having to commit to the bus. It all feels wrong to me.

This is the definition of...wow,totally am blanking on the right term.
Thinking prejudice is what I'll say, though there is a much better term for it that I should know.
Basically you're explaining how no matter what one person's alignment flip is then Hark is scum due to his interactions regardless.
That makes it meaningless evidence.
All you're doing is saying 'he could be scum doing this, or this" with no particular support either way and only a goal of flipping him.

That's not a healthy mental place to be this early in the game.
You should stop it, and ask yourself the following question - do you think Hark would try clever gambits as scum?
If your answer is 'no' then town read him.
If your answer is 'yes' feel free to educate me as to why and we'll discuss some more.

[Zyf]

Zyf FoSed Martha, yet he didn't vote her

why no reply to this?
already gave up, scumlord?

dude I was skimming because of school

In any case what the FUCK FoSing is basically creating the scum team, it's a pseudo-vote

Would you prefer it as "{Hark, Martha} is scumteam GG"?

[Thor665]

Confirmation bias - thank you brain.

[Zyf]

Zyf FoSed Martha, yet he didn't vote her

why no reply to this?
already gave up, scumlord?

Second time Zyf is purposely ignoring my posts.

HOLY SHIT HAVE SOME PATIENCE
i'm catching up
is that so hard to believe
what other thing did I miss

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So, regardless of Martha's alignment, I'm scum?
If so, why aren't you voting me? Aren't I confirmed scum from your PoV?

Yeah, regardless of Martha's alignment your position around her wagon is scummy.

I would vote you but I really like this wagon so I'd rather wait.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

This game appears to have attracted people who like to overreact.

Oh goody.

[Loopdan]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

He knows why.

[NJAC]

that's a fucking terrible defense I've practically scumclaimed in my second post and lived way too long because my play improved

Please elaborate this. What's the terrible defense you're talking about? When did you scumclaim in your second post? What game are you talking about? Were you scum in that game?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I hate the above post and would wagon the shit out of LoopDan.

[Harkonnen97]

Thor stop pocketing me m8

@Harko: Where did Martha point her first vote out as RVS? Why are you misrepping her?

Because that's what scum!Hark does.

i'll be back later pls explain
for now i trust the meta more than the poopy play
VOTE: Hark

This is where you votes me. In your next post, you FoS Martha. Somehow I find it hard to believe that town!Zyf would trust Penguin's meta read than his own reads.

[Harkonnen97]

This game appears to have attracted people who like to overreact.

Oh goody.

I hate the above post and would wagon the shit out of LoopDan.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You think Thor is scum, Hark?

[Harkonnen97]

No.

[Thor665]

Thor stop pocketing me m8

Too late, you're in the pocket.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No.

Do you understand the term pocketing?