STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[mastin2]

i mean you could have not just blind allied just cause it seemed like the cool thing to do.

It's not an ally.
It's permanent.
Game-long power.

Now if you don't mind, I'd like to keep at least some facets of my role private until it's flipped so don't prod me further on this.

[Firebringer]

i mean you could have not just blind allied just cause it seemed like the cool thing to do.

It's not an ally.
It's permanent.
Game-long power.

Now if you don't mind, I'd like to keep at least some facets of my role private until it's flipped so don't prod me further on this.

Still doesn't explain why you decided first off that Yume would be a good target for this, nor does it change the fact you said you wouldn't ally with anyone, ever.

Yeah.
Inconsistency galore and its not even day 2.

[Yume]

I'm sorry, but drop it. That line of questioning is forbidden.

[Firebringer]

I'm sorry, but drop it. That line of questioning is forbidden.

Do you have a alternate line of conversation for us right now Miss Yume?

[McMenno]

I'm sorry, but drop it. That line of questioning is forbidden.

why did you out it

you still didn't answer that

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I'm sorry, but drop it. That line of questioning is forbidden.

For once, I agree with Yume. I think Yume might be able to come out of their shell more if we go along with this for now, even with the flaws.

Yume, if you were queen of the world, who do you think is scum?

[Firebringer]

I'm sorry, but drop it. That line of questioning is forbidden.

For once, I agree with Yume. I think Yume might be able to come out of their shell more if we go along with this for now, even with the flaws.

Yume, if you were queen of the world, who do you think is scum?

[Yume]

I do not have solid opinions formed yet. I am just sheeping as of now.

[TheWayItEnds]

i mean you could have not just blind allied just cause it seemed like the cool thing to do.

It's not an ally.
It's permanent.
Game-long power.

Now if you don't mind, I'd like to keep at least some facets of my role private until it's flipped so don't prod me further on this.

oh thats my bad.

when i said that i wasnt aware that it was a one time could only be used in the pregame power.

[mastin2]

I haven't allied with anyone.
I said I would never ally with anyone, and that still stands: nothing good will come from me allying with a player.
The reason I said I would never ally with anyone isn't because I didn't want a PT, isn't because I didn't want a chat, isn't because of not wanting to be in a pair. It's not because of a lack of desire. I'd LOVE to ally with someone, if not for the nature of my ally power.
The reason I said I would never ally with anyone is from a MECHANICAL point of view, because nothing pro-town will ever come of me allying with anyone.

But Yume was not an ally power.
Yume is a game-long, permanent power, completely and entirely unrelated to my ally powers. It is therefore something that I not only could use, but was planning to use.
I wasn't planning on Yume outing it, which is unfortunate, but I was planning on using it.

I will say no more.
There's no inconsistency. Simply a difference in mechanics.

[McMenno]

that's okay

I'm sorry, but drop it. That line of questioning is forbidden.

why did you out it

you still didn't answer that

[Yume]

And I don't plan to. Chalk it up to being super excited. Or me being dumb. However you like.

[Firebringer]

We are not lynching Not Chara btw, i don't know if you guys got the memo, but thats like not a thing that will happen today.

[McMenno]

And I don't plan to. Chalk it up to being super excited. Or me being dumb. However you like.

I wish I could discern your alignment from this

I really really do

We are not lynching Not Chara btw, i don't know if you guys got the memo, but thats like not a thing that will happen today.

it's a possibility

[Reasonably Rational]

@Cakey, really, with multiple people calling my question scummy, you think RR will answer? More than likely, they will retreat into their "we never give reads" posture. Yet, people can be read based on the stances they take, even if early or premature.

I'm tempted to dump in an essay here, but I just want you to know I saw this and I resisted.

It's what it says. It's up to you whether you believe it or not. *shrugs*

That would be a ridiculous thing for you to lie about.

Agreed, but maybe confused or a gambit? I think Mastina's town anyway so no rush. Yume is likely town as well. KTS is town because they are not going to fake innocent child as scum.

that's obviously a joke

so I think skybird is town, because having an automatic pt with steven universe, and thereby automatically knowing who they are seems pretty strong for scum, going to townlean her for that

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

I want to believe

Umm... we were Steven in the first SU game. Our big thing was that we could IC on day 5. On day 3 we had two people and ourselves thrown into a permanent alliance. (Mastin and Xtoxm). We then lynched a scum that day who had strongman on season finale and so we actually ended up using the same logic. We concluded that Varsoon would not have given scum knowledge of who we were so they could just turn around and murder us the next night without us having any reliable way to avoid it (there were two ways for us to avoid it: luck into lynching the strongman before first finale (this is what happened) or another town slot had to be both alive, allied with us, have a 1-shot per game ability available and USE it to commute us and them out of the game on the finale night). We were so certain that it made no sense to make an IC and then have it get killed 99% of the time before it could ever become IC that we concluded scum would not have been given access to our identity.

Now ... Varsoon does like to change things up as a mod so I wouldn't go so far as to say Skybird automatically must be scum ... but I sure as hell am not going to assume town after what happened in the original game.

Long story short: farside was being widely scum read but we put together a case for why they were almost certainly town. We were running a reaction test on them before we unvoted and moved on to plan we had stated. The plan we had stated called for us lynching Grapes (claimed miller) that day, someone else the next day and the final scum the day after.

Grapes, ignoring our really strong case for why farside must be town decided to hammer farside and end the day rather than take his lynch, which he knew he had to eat because of being and claiming miller. His action took us from guaranteed win to a last day where we had someone who had been kind of super trollish (think firebringer, only WAY worse) plus our two day 3 alliance people still alive.

Since we assumed scum would not have been gifted knowledge of who we were, that really strongly influenced our thinking and we ended up lynching the super-troll player, and Xtoxm was the last scum.

So yeah ... ummm. Please don't make unfounded assumptions. Please.

Does alliance in that context mean that Skybird can talk to the player who has role card of Steven Universe?
I am guessing that makes Skybird "Connie".

Really not a bad assumption.

As for the event triggering the -2 stress: an extension of me being a miller I suppose is that my event power instead of raising stress lowers it by two. That was my trigger. (I know, Varsoon said that in general, town events will raise stress and scum events will lower stress. But mine didn't. Dealwithit.) It was a pro-town power, I assure you, best used early rather than later especially given that I'm going to die early this game regardless.

VOTE: Not Chara.

Okay, now I've taken care of that neighborhood stuff. I am ready to sheep.

VOTE: Not Chara

The blind leading the blinder.

I warned you. You just went on my PL list for this game. Be an unwarranted asshole again and see what happens.

~D

[Almost50]

i mean you could have not just blind allied just cause it seemed like the cool thing to do.

It's not an ally.
It's permanent.
Game-long power.

Now if you don't mind, I'd like to keep at least some facets of my role private until it's flipped so don't prod me further on this.

It'd be ironic if you -of all- turned out to be Steven, given that you're also a Miller.

Steve(n) Miller

[CooLDoG]

hey guys I'm also an innocent child don't vote me let me do things

SO let me guess, you can out yourself and boost the stress level. Cool. That's interesting. Or trollololololol?

It's what it says. It's up to you whether you believe it or not. *shrugs*

That would be a ridiculous thing for you to lie about.

Agreed, but maybe confused or a gambit? I think Mastina's town anyway so no rush. Yume is likely town as well. KTS is town because they are not going to fake innocent child as scum.

that's obviously a joke

so I think skybird is town, because having an automatic pt with steven universe, and thereby automatically knowing who they are seems pretty strong for scum, going to townlean her for that

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

I want to believe

mcemenno: random shit post, and a vote on the start of the wagon.

vote: mcmenno

most certainly Meno and not Socrates here.

Sure, spotlight someone and I'll give my opinion on them.

asking for an easy target/vote. scummy.

Obi: why do you think voting will pressure creature to do something?
Why is he the one your pushing the most?

Well he's promised content, but that's secondary. It's not his reaction I am looking for. I obviously will not answer more directly than this. I will explain why once I get the reaction I was seeking.

so in essence it is a random vote then.

that's okay

I'm sorry, but drop it. That line of questioning is forbidden.

why did you out it

you still didn't answer that

[McMenno]

is that rolefishing now

[Not Chara]

i know the definition, i was asking how it applied to me. still, thank you for the information.

why do you care how it applies to you? You seem to be quite defensive about what people perceive you as, this reads as scummy to me. Also, don't know how the site deals with alts, but alt much? I don't think varsoon would let a newbie into such a complex game.

i asked because i took the descriptor 'newbtown' to mean i might be playing in a naive/subpar way, so i wanted clarification.
i spoke to Varsoon before signups opened, and cited my experience with irl mafia and other games similar to this one. i was told that all players are welcome in his games.

i'm available for quite a while now. let me know if there are questions from pregame/earlier today that i've missed. my memory can be very bad. this excludes Almost50, who i am aware of.

[Not Chara]

The blind leading the blinder.

I warned you. You just went on my PL list for this game. Be an unwarranted asshole again and see what happens.

~D

are you referring to how you said you would respond in kind to players being rude/insulting to others?

[Not Chara]

I don't see any 180 on me.

They townread you at the start based on their interactions with you. Yet, with no interaction with you, you became a scumread.

i was never townreading Creature. what are you talking about?

[Creature]

So I got a bunch of town reads and I can post more there.

[Creature]

Good, Obi is making things up.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@NC, Keep reading.

The two major wagons right now that aren't you are RR and Creature. Which do you pick?

[Varsoon]

Steven Universe is confirmed to take place on an alternate history Earth, where different events shaped everything from the culture to the landmasses.