Open 652- Making Friends and Enemies: Over

[Harkonnen97]

texcat, do you think the wagon that was formed on your slot was town-motivated or scum-motivated?

[texcat]

For me it is summed up as;

Awkward reaction to pressure.
Then AtE mega-plosion.
Fake replace out vibe (which apparently was true fake out vibe).
Then continued AtE and open failure to do anything at all.

In a brief nutshell - she never scumhunted, openly claimed intentional bad play as the reason for all her failures, and chose to deflect every question asked of her in a fairly clear attempt to avoid having to answer how she was forming thoughts.
That meant she was trying to play in a way that would preclude reading her off actions.
Which makes her either scum, or an unreasonable town.
Which makes her Day 1 lynch food.

I saw a lot of AtE and frustration. It looked to me like someone who had not played much, who had never had a bandwagon on them and didn't like it. I was surprised when I read she was an alt.

But she has replaced out now. I think it's time to re-evaluate.

[texcat]

texcat, do you think the wagon that was formed on your slot was town-motivated or scum-motivated?

Neither one. It was an RVS wagon that Martha reacted badly to, causing it to continue.

I'm sure there are scum on my wagon. They'd be happy to vote for an easy lynch and not have to try to look like they're really scum hunting. They're always happy to end the day early without giving away any information.

I'm sure there are town on my wagon. Everyone is happy to have someone else be the first mislynch and everyone thinks they have a good excuse for voting Martha because she egged them into it. And probably some of them actually think that I might flip scum. I won't.

[Harkonnen97]

Out of the people on your wagon, who is your biggest bet on being scum?

[karnos]

As I was reading through the last 7 pages, I was starting to think I should unvote Matha. Some of her major "scum tell" posts were just a symptom of writing in a second language, IMO. But now that we have a texcat, I would like to keep the pressure on and see what comes of it.

If this is a wagon on town, maybe some scum will get greedy and go for the hammer. I'd gladly sacrifice a town today if it means we have a free scum lynch tomorrow. OTOH, the slot might be scum.

Either way, I'm fine with holding my vote as it is.

[texcat]

As I was reading through the last 7 pages, I was starting to think I should unvote Matha. Some of her major "scum tell" posts were just a symptom of writing in a second language, IMO. But now that we have a texcat, I would like to keep the pressure on and see what comes of it.

If this is a wagon on town, maybe some scum will get greedy and go for the hammer. I'd gladly sacrifice a town today if it means we have a free scum lynch tomorrow. OTOH, the slot might be scum.

Either way, I'm fine with holding my vote as it is.

No need to actually scum hunt. Is that it?

[texcat]

Out of the people on your wagon, who is your biggest bet on being scum?

My vote is on BBT because I thought he was a better player than he's shown by his vote on Martha. I'm interested in seeing his reply. But Karnos now looks like a possibility. Or else he's really lazy town.
And I have a town read on Thor because he didn't have any problem communicating the case on me. He looks like he's actually scum hunting.

[Harkonnen97]

I suggest you don't give Thor a free townread. Him looking like he is scumhunting is NAI for him.

[karnos]

No need to actually scum hunt. Is that it?

Why expend all my energy running around trying to catch a scum when I might already have one right in front of me?

[texcat]

I suggest you don't give Thor a free townread. Him looking like he is scumhunting is NAI for him.

Good to know.

No need to actually scum hunt. Is that it?

Why expend all my energy running around trying to catch a scum when I might already have one right in front of me?

Really? Even if you truly think I might actually be scum, you know I couldn't be the only scum. Plus, I'm not scum. So you're wrong all the way round.

[PenguinPower]

Hmmm...I'm liking Hark more now.

Let's try this

VOTE: karnos

[Narurider]

VOTE: Martha
Not a fan of Martha so far

Hmm...maybe not Loop.

Looking like a Hark/Thor scumteam

...what are the odds?

UNVOTE: Loopdan
VOTE: Hark

I am interested in how you came to that conclusion so quickly. What makes you think that?

Wow. I really dislike this post. Naru jumps on the bandwagon without much comment, but questions Penquin about the speed of his cnclusions and vote.

I was questioning him because he seemed to have already came to an early conclusion about a scumteam and I was curious how he'd came to that conclusion so quickly. Plus I didn't see either of them as scum so I was wondering what made him think differently.

Hey

You want to give something more than just "hey"? Like literally anything more?

@Hark, I know you said you weren't going to talk about this anymore but I just want to clarify something, you think that Martha was a VI and not scum because she was inexperienced? Even though she told you that she had experience in 68? Or was that just your initial reasoning?

[karnos]

Maybe scum will lolhammer you if you are town. That wouldn't be terrible either. I can't be wrong, either you are scum and I'm right or you are town and we can catch scum when they hammer you

I can understand why you might not be happy with the situation, it isn't fun to be caught as scum, nor is it fun to be used as bait.

[karnos]

Hmmm...I'm liking Hark more now.

Let's try this

VOTE: karnos

Hmm, is this a chainsaw?

You were interestingly absent from the Martha wagon. Are you texcat's partner?

[Thor665]

But she has replaced out now. I think it's time to re-evaluate.

Don't see why - the only reason to reevaluate is if you actually start doing stuff I perceive as pro-town.
I've got nothing from you so far - do you think you've given me anything? If so - what? If not - why are you asking me to reevaluate on emptiness?

Maybe scum will lolhammer you if you are town. That wouldn't be terrible either. I can't be wrong, either you are scum and I'm right or you are town and we can catch scum when they hammer you

You expect that to work while actively stating it as your plan in thread?

[karnos]

But she has replaced out now. I think it's time to re-evaluate.

Don't see why - the only reason to reevaluate is if you actually start doing stuff I perceive as pro-town.
I've got nothing from you so far - do you think you've given me anything? If so - what? If not - why are you asking me to reevaluate on emptiness?

Maybe scum will lolhammer you if you are town. That wouldn't be terrible either. I can't be wrong, either you are scum and I'm right or you are town and we can catch scum when they hammer you

You expect that to work while actively stating it as your plan in thread?

Shhh, you are making it even less likely to work by drawing attention to it.

[Thor665]

Hardy har.

Now answer the question - this looks utterly empty.

[karnos]

I shouldn't have to explain this, but anyway:

texcat is town:
Scum lolhammers, gets lynched tomorrow- A+ result.
Scum realizes the "trap", doesn't lolhammer, texcat doesn't get lynched: A+ result.

texcat is scum:
I don't really want to unvote anyway.

Basically, it would be fine and nice if scum quick-hammers and gets caught, but if they don't than it means town!texcat has nothing to worry about. Not really a terrible result either way.

[PenguinPower]

Hmmm...I'm liking Hark more now.

Let's try this

VOTE: karnos

Hmm, is this a chainsaw?

You were interestingly absent from the Martha wagon. Are you texcat's partner?

I'm absent from the wagon because I disagree with it. Someone on it is scum. Right now, I think that could be you.

[karnos]

I'm absent from the wagon because I disagree with it. Someone on it is scum. Right now, I think that could be you.

Interesting. You are absent from the wagon because you think scum is on the wagon, not because you think texcat is town?

What if scum is on the wagon & texcat is scum? It's not a bad thing to help scum bus another scum.

[PenguinPower]

I'm absent from the wagon because I disagree with it. Someone on it is scum. Right now, I think that could be you.

Interesting. You are absent from the wagon because you think scum is on the wagon, not because you think texcat is town?

What if scum is on the wagon & texcat is scum? It's not a bad thing to help scum bus another scum.

See...this is why my vote on you. You're being word-twisting karnos right now.

A. I'm not on the wagon because I disagree with it. FULL STOP.

B. Someone on it is scum. FULL STOP.

C. Right now, I think that could be you. FULL STOP

A has nothing to with my believing B, and B has nothing to do with my believing A.

Of course, now C is more like "Right now, I'm more confident it is you."

[karnos]

Wonderful. I like it when you take a hard stance on something.

[Harkonnen97]

@Naru

VI doesn't mean bad townie. It means bad player.

[Harkonnen97]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Zyf]

I suggest you don't give Thor a free townread. Him looking like he is scumhunting is NAI for him.

agree