Mini 1826: The Purge - Game Over

[Infinity 324]

@pisskop I assume you still have scumreads on myself and MoI?

If so, why haven't you been pushing those reads

[Infinity 324]

Not all of it has to do with scumhunting, if that's what you're asking. There's

-Being transparent with your thought process and showing genuine reasoning
-How you interact with your townread as well as your
-Other miscellaneous ways you approach the game that don't have scum motivation.

I'm having problem what do you post this. Granted, I see no scum motivation, but neither does town motivation.

It was a response to lane

[Realeo]

Why are you opening a lecture class? Do I miss something? What's context?

[Realeo]

Oh ok. Now I get it. Ignore that question.

BTW, 11 pm in Indonesia! Good night! =D

[lane0168]

I am pleased with some of the death and dissatisfied with some of the death.

However,

Votecount 2.1

Not voting (7) - lane0168,

PeregrineV

, Inifinity, shaddowez, MagnaofIllusion, Realeo, pisskop

With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to strand.

(expired on 2016-09-26 18:30:00) remain until day end

That is a black horse.

Idk. My towny {almost50,kuroi,not_chara} is ded and PeregineV flusters me. Let's work together if you're town and I'm wrong this whole time.

I like how perev doesn't really do anything and

now Realeo wants to work with him

like he's town after that was his vote at the end of yesterday

Ofcourse I want to work with him, it's lylo!

Look, the fact that my towny {Not_Chara,Kuroi,Almost50} are dead while Perev is still alive implies that

(1) either all three of them are shot by scum (how likely is this??)

(2) People actually scumreading them.

I mean, the fact that I am very off the popular opinion is a scary wake up call. Am I missing something? Am I being the idiot? Lane, we both played at Ari's Donner Party. At that game, I'm the only one who think that Jae_Reed can't be vig and Dunn must be scum. My scumhunting was briliant, but the underlying asumption is a disaster and I am the only one with the opinion. Wisdom of the crowd is not necesarrily correct, but it's a good starting point.

At D1, I worked with shos. Why not with pereV at D2? I am openist.

What is going on? Beginning of the day you said almost, not chara, and kuroi were all your town reads and they are all dead.

Then you flip and say kuroi is a town lean, and almost and not chara were just null?

You should keep your reads straight

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Realeo

– Here’s my issue with your reads lists.

From town to scum {pisskop,lane/MOI,Shadow,Vedith,PeregineV}

So if PeregineV is scum {Shadow,Vedith,PeregineV}

If peregineev is town {lane/MOI,Shadow,Vedith}

First if Peregrine is scum you have a both Shaddow and Peregrine suspecting Infinity and Infinity also cross suspecting both of those. As I’ve said before while bussing in these sorts of reads lists isn’t impossible (Given they are just fluff with no voting or anything behind them) I don’t see scum working so hard to distance / bus each other given that they simply need a +1 Town net killed at Night to win.
It might be a gambit to make people less like to shoot within that threesome but that’s a pretty convoluted explanation at this point in time.

Secondly your teams don’t make tons of sense in light of this you floated earlier …

Am I the only one who is speculating that Moi is SM, Shadow is barricading goon? and that Moi shoot Shadow is just some crazy gambit?

I mean, I can't justify them by direct accusation, but I can justify them by POE.

If you are Town and really thought “Hey, maybe my Town reads are borked” and honestly dropped this theory I would think your 3 Scum depth chart would reflect that more strongly than the “Maybe it can be MoI with Shaddow” that your scenario with Peregrine as Town presents it.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Also Lane's 1204 needs serious answers from Realeo.

[MagnaofIllusion]

My scumlean and my null is dead. Like 100%. Kraska? Nosferatu? my scum lean? Gone! Not_Chara? Almost50? my null? Gone!

For clarity of everyone else - under Realeo's abridged Spoiler she says this where Not Chara and Almost50 are Null reads compared to earlier today when they were Town reads per his quotes.

[Infinity 324]

Can you at least give cursory lip service to my towncase on real?

[pisskop]

@pisskop I assume you still have scumreads on myself and MoI?

If so, why haven't you been pushing those reads

Been thinking on MOI. I flipflop on them.

Ive got to look over the playerlist, but I townread your slot and want to townread lane.

I think its 60/40 on releo.

[Infinity 324]

Can you just state your top 3 scumreads -_-

[pisskop]

Pere. Perv. Perev

[pisskop]

Let me get to a computer. Ill output 3 numbers.

[pisskop]

[MagnaofIllusion]

Can you at least give cursory lip service to my towncase on real?

Do you want me to say that I generally don’t give much attention at all to Town-cases especially with no flipped scum?

Also question – do you have any experience with Scum Realeo? Because you acknowledge that you understand the concept that meta reviews must make use of both sides at 1191 in regards to me.

That said I took a quick look at your Town-case …

This is a town perspective.

Don’t see why what you quoted isn’t easily replicable as scum …

The logic here seems a bit simplistic, but I see a lot of people who scumhunt like this and the push on pisskop makes a lot of sense with this mindset.

This sentence basically says nothing concrete about his alignment but something about his playstyle which is NAI.

(and the whole discussion about the meta check)

I actually really liked this. Sometimes I like doing quick meta checks as town just to verify something or to get a general sense of a person's play. Also, it didn't really feel like it was for show. Countering your own push when you don't really need to doesn't seem like a play that makes sense as scum.

Also unsure that what you boil down to “Why would scum back off when they find they might have made a mistake?” which is what any smart scum does. So pretty NAI to me.

Really feel this a town a lot. In RVS, I basically do everything I possibly can to get the game moving, and I get annoyed at people when they criticize that (remember princess bride, shadow/MoI)?

Question on this – why should I remember Princess Bride vis-a-vie your thoughts on RVS when IIRC you replaced a slot Day 2?

Feels like town LAMIST to me. "Hey look, I'm trying to do stuff guys" in a subtle way like this doesn't seem like a scum tactic to me.

There is no such thing a Town LAMIST. The fact that you are trying to peddle what ostensibly should be a sign of scum trying too hard makes my head spin here.

This is a subtle thing that I doubt scum would pick up on and point out.

Um, whut? The thing you are quoting makes very, very little sense and trying to ascribe that only Town can be perceptive is bad.

Doesn't make much sense to me, but I don't think scum would try to throw out wild accusations like "you scumclaimed!!!". Scum want to make their arguments sound reasonable and intelligent.

Have you ever played with Fate? Katsuki? Camn? This is trying to ascribe playstyle to an alignment and is bad.

In summary – I’m not at all in love with your case for the reasons I’ve already pointed out above. That pile of posting leads to a strong Town read for you on Realeo?

[pisskop]

Not voting (7) - lane0168, PeregrineV, Inifinity, shaddowez, MagnaofIllusion, Realeo, pisskop

[pisskop]

Lets see...



*lane --> nulltown

8Perv --> scumnugget why the hell doesnt anybody ever listen to me on these? I mean its not like Ive done something like called out the entire scumteam in lylo, including their roles after dicking around all game before... .... oh wait I have

* infinitysass --> vedith was town this guy is town too

* Shaddowez --> Scum

* MOI --> Flipflop back and forth. He or releo is scum

* realeo --> Ditto

[pisskop]

Lane, moi, or realeo is my num 3 choice.

I want to townread lane, and to a lesser extent realeo, but meh

[pisskop]

There now can the real hidey masons please stand up
one of the fingers on each hand up
and be proud to be out of your mind, and ruin a whole generation of ICP baseheads with your crap feelz musics

[MagnaofIllusion]

8Perv --> scumnugget why the hell doesnt anybody ever listen to me on these? I mean its not like Ive done something like called out the entire scumteam in lylo, including their roles after dicking around all game before... .... oh wait I have

Lots of people are scum reading Pere.

Stop pointlessly grandstanding with fluff and pay attention.

[pisskop]

They werent actively doing so yesterday when it mattered

[pisskop]

Hands up, who here actually pursued their scumread on pere instead of playing with their jimmies?


o/

[MagnaofIllusion]

Hands up, who here actually pursued their scumread on pere instead of playing with their jimmies?


o/

Does what you are calling pushing your scum-read voting in what is LYLO when there are unknown Masons about and a vote on any Town gives scum the chance to quick-Strand which automatically dooms Town to a loss?

In that case yes proudly raise your hand.

[pisskop]

*shrugs* They didnt quickhammer, did they?

I 1v1ed pere, thats going to happen today.


Like the sky

couldhave

fell, and pere

couldhave

been town, or even a mason, but he wasnt.

Life is entirely too short and Im entirely too good at mafia to feel the need to hide in a corner instead of make my point.

[pisskop]

lol could have fell.