Mini Normal 1825 - Game Over

Accountant · Post Post #2075 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:07 am

Long overdue prods on Cass and pitoli.

MathBlade · Post Post #2076 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:41 am

After rereading some I am still convinced BBT and Expedience share the same alignment.

Based on House's weird attempt to crumb if BBT is not a PR lynch House immediately. House feels like he has been buddying me a lot especially with the numbers. Chuck feels like a buddy too. RB needs rope. Saru is on the back burner but still a scum read.

I have too many scumreads and that is a problem.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #2077 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:06 am

Why are you scum reading Saru and what is your read on Dier?

Where did the scum read of rb come from?

MathBlade · Post Post #2078 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:16 am

Saru is meta and "gut" something is wrong there. I don't know how to explain it but even after looking at Saru's other stuff it just doesn't feel right.

My RB read is in my ISO and mainly RB is less confrontational as town IMHO. And some posts feel slimy. In Gistou (my playing experience with him) he started town and when I fake poked him he just brushed it off. He got confrontational after we made him join us. That and his interactions feel wrong as indicated in my ISO.

MathBlade · Post Post #2079 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:18 am

My read on Dier is that while he could be scum I find it unlikely due to the fact he seems pretty null just like when I played with him in 1800. If he is scum it will sort itself out. I want to solve some of my 1v1s to get a better picture.

House · Post Post #2080 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:20 am

In post 2069, Dierfire wrote:the reason that I'd prefer lynching him over rb is that I'm reading rb as Town and can more easily base that read on concrete things. As an additional illustration of the difference, I also don't like the "style" that RyanK was using, but I have some concrete reasons to read RyanK as Town.

There is more to reading players than the answers they provide to questions, Dier. I rather dislike basing my reads on the answers to questions because scum has the tendency to lie, y'know?

Do you really want to know how I'm so certain that BBT is town?

1272 - can't read Ryan for shit, suggests an investigative target him at the Wendi of d1.

1392 - is

really

sure Ryan is town, at the very beginning of the next day.

1960 - had zero fear of being lynched. Some call this overconfidence, but he knows he won't be lynched because he has a role that can't be countered.

These three posts mean infinitely more in the way of trading alignment that

anything

rb has posted, imho.

House · Post Post #2081 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:21 am

In post 2080, House wrote:
In post 2069, Dierfire wrote:the reason that I'd prefer lynching him over rb is that I'm reading rb as Town and can more easily base that read on concrete things. As an additional illustration of the difference, I also don't like the "style" that RyanK was using, but I have some concrete reasons to read RyanK as Town.
There is more to reading players than the answers they provide to questions, Dier. I rather dislike basing my reads on the answers to questions because scum has the tendency to lie, y'know?

Do you really want to know how I'm so certain that BBT is town?

1272 - can't read Ryan for shit, suggests an investigative target him at the end of d1.

1392 - is
really
sure Ryan is town, at the very beginning of the next day.

1960 - had zero fear of being lynched. Some call this overconfidence, but he knows he won't be lynched because he has a role that can't be countered.

These three posts mean infinitely more in the way of reading alignment that
anything
rb has posted, imho.

EBWOP, stupid phone.

House · Post Post #2082 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:14 am

In other news, Chuck needs more votes.

rb · Post Post #2083 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:25 am

In post 2078, MathBlade wrote:Saru is meta and "gut" something is wrong there. I don't know how to explain it but even after looking at Saru's other stuff it just doesn't feel right.

My RB read is in my ISO and mainly RB is less confrontational as town IMHO. And some posts feel slimy. In Gistou (my playing experience with him) he started town and when I fake poked him he just brushed it off. He got confrontational after we made him join us. That and his interactions feel wrong as indicated in my ISO.

A few things:
1. Take a look at Newbie 1727 and tell me town!rb isn't confrontational
2. In Mini 1820 where I was force-replaced for it
3. Look at Dragon Age Mafia if you still doubt
4. I was actually more confrontational early in Gistou, but I actually townread you really strongly. If you look at my interactions with Ceph/RAM/Wayward who I was scumreading I was REALLY confrontational
5. I actually enjoy your play regardless of my suspected alignment, which I admit influences me being less confrontational towards you - I have more patience than with most others

You need to re-evaluate your read with those things in mind. Being 'off' isn't a thing I can defend against but I get your point since it's how I often end up scumreading people and being right too. If you have something I can actually respond to then feel free.

Expedience · Post Post #2084 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:54 pm

In post 2059, rb wrote:Or House is a good lynch as well imo.

house did nothing wrong

Chuck · Post Post #2085 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:59 pm

^ I also don't think House is a good lynch.

Beginning to think (I know, whoa) that I may be wrong about Expedience.

Expedience · Post Post #2086 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:00 pm

CLAIM DUEL me i'm 1-0 you're scared

rb · Post Post #2087 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:22 pm

Why is House NOT a good lynch?

rb · Post Post #2088 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:24 pm

I can kill Cass/House/BBT

MathBlade · Post Post #2089 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:27 pm

In post 2083, rb wrote:
In post 2078, MathBlade wrote:Saru is meta and "gut" something is wrong there. I don't know how to explain it but even after looking at Saru's other stuff it just doesn't feel right.

My RB read is in my ISO and mainly RB is less confrontational as town IMHO. And some posts feel slimy. In Gistou (my playing experience with him) he started town and when I fake poked him he just brushed it off. He got confrontational after we made him join us. That and his interactions feel wrong as indicated in my ISO.
A few things:
1. Take a look at Newbie 1727 and tell me town!rb isn't confrontational
2. In Mini 1820 where I was force-replaced for it
3. Look at Dragon Age Mafia if you still doubt
4. I was actually more confrontational early in Gistou, but I actually townread you really strongly. If you look at my interactions with Ceph/RAM/Wayward who I was scumreading I was REALLY confrontational
5. I actually enjoy your play regardless of my suspected alignment, which I admit influences me being less confrontational towards you - I have more patience than with most others

You need to re-evaluate your read with those things in mind. Being 'off' isn't a thing I can defend against but I get your point since it's how I often end up scumreading people and being right too. If you have something I can actually respond to then feel free.

Not responding to this post as it involves an active game. Please do not discuss them.

MathBlade · Post Post #2090 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:28 pm

Chuck+rb for the wins.

VOTE: Chuck

Expedience · Post Post #2091 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:41 pm

I wonder what Chuck will do now if he thinks I'm town. That was basically his whole deal, and everything else just snipping at a post here and there.

House · Post Post #2092 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:37 pm

In post 2088, rb wrote:I can kill Cass/House/BBT

How in the hell is BBT in your list after I've possibly explained how he is town???

House · Post Post #2093 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:37 pm

In post 2092, House wrote:
In post 2088, rb wrote:I can kill Cass/House/BBT
How in the hell is BBT in your list after I've plainly explained how he is town???

EBWOP.

rb · Post Post #2094 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:10 pm

In post 2089, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2083, rb wrote:
In post 2078, MathBlade wrote:Saru is meta and "gut" something is wrong there. I don't know how to explain it but even after looking at Saru's other stuff it just doesn't feel right.

My RB read is in my ISO and mainly RB is less confrontational as town IMHO. And some posts feel slimy. In Gistou (my playing experience with him) he started town and when I fake poked him he just brushed it off. He got confrontational after we made him join us. That and his interactions feel wrong as indicated in my ISO.
A few things:
1. Take a look at Newbie 1727 and tell me town!rb isn't confrontational
2. In Mini 1820 where I was force-replaced for it
3. Look at Dragon Age Mafia if you still doubt
4. I was actually more confrontational early in Gistou, but I actually townread you really strongly. If you look at my interactions with Ceph/RAM/Wayward who I was scumreading I was REALLY confrontational
5. I actually enjoy your play regardless of my suspected alignment, which I admit influences me being less confrontational towards you - I have more patience than with most others

You need to re-evaluate your read with those things in mind. Being 'off' isn't a thing I can defend against but I get your point since it's how I often end up scumreading people and being right too. If you have something I can actually respond to then feel free.
Not responding to this post as it involves an active game. Please do not discuss them.

They're all finished.

rb · Post Post #2095 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:11 pm

Sorry Dragon Age isn't my bad :/

rb · Post Post #2096 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:12 pm

Respond to the other 3 please. Also I really need you to elaborate on what is 'off' or to look at those completed games.

rb · Post Post #2097 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:23 pm

In post 2092, House wrote:
In post 2088, rb wrote:I can kill Cass/House/BBT
How in the hell is BBT in your list after I've possibly explained how he is town???

......

Because you even said yourself you're not even sure it's just a hunch and I don't see it. Like it's so dumb, "BBT is being rly anti-town so he must be PR or scum and I think it's PR because I have a hunch".

Also mafia having daychat is obviously influencing the game at this point. BBT is still drawing attention away from the fact he hasn't explained anything and has dodged questions page after page and abandoned trying to get me lynched for Dier instead.

Most obvious counterwagon ever.

rb · Post Post #2098 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:28 pm

Math suddenly going from strong townread on me to lame meta read + me feeling 'off'.

Same with House basically quoting like 10 of my posts being like, "yeh good town posts" while admitting BBT is anti-town but should still lynch me because *hunch BBT is PR*

Also no idea why he'd draw attention to a PR or why as a town player House would be so invested in getting BBT NK'd. Either scumbuddies or some shit or fishing counter-claims maybe.

Either way there's no town motivation for Houses play. If the wagon got strong and BBT was at risk of lynch, he can claim for himself obviously. He's not a retard so not sure why House has to pre-claim for BBT on his behalf when he's not even close to lynch. Dumb af.

rb · Post Post #2099 (ISO) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:32 pm

Anyway the premature claim by House sets up BBT to either get NK'd and it leaves zero trail for us to follow because mafia would be dumb to let Cop live as Town Doc is dead. Martha claiming meant the day1 NK meant fkn nothing because duh, no shit she was getting killed. Now it's same situation for BBT. Why does House engineer such a shitty town situation?

If BBT lives it's all fucking wifom too and this game is going to progress NOWHERE for town until these slots start flipping. It's 100% optimal play for town to lynch in these slots.

Also Chuck tunneling Expedience endlessly is as awful as Ryan's play. He's a non-contributor to town, even if he has a strong scumread there's still a shitload of other significant goings on but he doesn't show any interest.

Chuck/House/BBT