STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[farside22]

Nope

[mastin2]

@Titus: I have no idea. Assuming mastin is implying some knowledge that fbs death was not due to the scum kill, it's possible they went after one of the conftown/probtown leaders, yourself, Yume, or mastin, and ran into protection.

It's interesting you say this.
I recall mentioning I knew Firebringer was dead.

I don't recall mentioning it's because a source outside of the scum's nightkill caused it.

I'll confirm this much: Firebringer's lack of a flip is not a scum ability.

[Reasonably Rational]

Nope

Your naked vote after I pointed out your terrible behavior yesterday suggests otherwise.

You DO realize how absurdly stupid and scummy that was right? I don't buy the temper tantrum angle. Much more likely you did it intentionally. It robbed people of protection, and potentially unchained people. Funny how you did that and then we have this event happening that is super bad for us. I'm

SURE

the two couldn't possibly be related though, amirite?

[farside22]

So I'm going to suggest nicely to get your alliances in order.
Skybird, you and me again, ok.

Also the event thing that came about some people should not use there ability.
I'll offer if skybird is okay doing it too.

[mastin2]

Also if anyone is curious Cooldog never said anything in the joy ride ot.

Scum.

Myep.
If we don't lynch Reasonably Rational today.
And we don't lynch Klingoncelt today.
It's gonna be Cooldog, 100%.

[Reasonably Rational]

@Titus: I have no idea. Assuming mastin is implying some knowledge that fbs death was not due to the scum kill, it's possible they went after one of the conftown/probtown leaders, yourself, Yume, or mastin, and ran into protection.

It's interesting you say this.
I recall mentioning I knew Firebringer was dead.

I don't recall mentioning it's because a source outside of the scum's nightkill caused it.

I'll confirm this much: Firebringer's lack of a flip is not a scum ability.

Keep reading mastin. You're conftown. There is a very short list of reasons why you would know for certain if someone is dead, and only one of them would give you knowledge of scums kills.

In addition, I've been working with the assumption that Yume is still in an alliance with you, and if so, she should certainly have told you the greater reasoning behind what I said, even before I said it in this thread. I can't understand the selective reading of posts in a manner meant to sway opinion one way when you yourself KNOW things that should make that reading incorrect.

-Cerb

[McMenno]

I'll have to ask some questions to the mod first, farside

and get some sleep too... it's almost 3am after all

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Mastina, Do you believe that there's other hidden protectives?

I'd rather lynch Klingon but I'm not like 100%. I'm in a wierd position where scum should be voting RR if he's town but I'm not really scumreading anyone on his wagon. Farside's the closest and she's just needs to die by lylo.

@RR, Your whole suggestion of scum didn't kill Firebringer seems like a scum one.

[farside22]

Nope

Your naked vote after I pointed out your terrible behavior yesterday suggests otherwise.

You DO realize how absurdly stupid and scummy that was right? I don't buy the temper tantrum angle. Much more likely you did it intentionally. It robbed people of protection, and potentially unchained people. Funny how you did that and then we have this event happening that is super bad for us. I'm

SURE

the two couldn't possibly be related though, amirite?

Should I bother mentioning that Cakez was scum and in the joy ride or does that fact just kind of get missed?
Or should I bother mentioning it's the only reason you put as a scum read on me.
Let me know which one sounds more scummy to you.

[farside22]

I'll have to ask some questions to the mod first, farside

and get some sleep too... it's almost 3am after all

That's fine I'll give that notice and have it take effect 12 est.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Nope

Your naked vote after I pointed out your terrible behavior yesterday suggests otherwise.

You DO realize how absurdly stupid and scummy that was right? I don't buy the temper tantrum angle. Much more likely you did it intentionally. It robbed people of protection, and potentially unchained people. Funny how you did that and then we have this event happening that is super bad for us. I'm

SURE

the two couldn't possibly be related though, amirite?

Should I bother mentioning that Cakez was scum and in the joy ride or does that fact just kind of get missed?
Or should I bother mentioning it's the only reason you put as a scum read on me.
Let me know which one sounds more scummy to you.

You acted with the belief that Cakey was town though allegedly. His scumflip is irrelevant to the determination of whether your play was protown.

[farside22]

@Mastina, Do you believe that there's other hidden protectives?

I'd rather lynch Klingon but I'm not like 100%. I'm in a wierd position where scum should be voting RR if he's town but I'm not really scumreading anyone on his wagon. Farside's the closest and she's just needs to die by lylo.

@RR, Your whole suggestion of scum didn't kill Firebringer seems like a scum one.

Ill die way before that. Don't you worry.

[Reasonably Rational]

@Mastina, Do you believe that there's other hidden protectives?

I'd rather lynch Klingon but I'm not like 100%. I'm in a wierd position where scum should be voting RR if he's town but I'm not really scumreading anyone on his wagon. Farside's the closest and she's just needs to die by lylo.

@RR, Your whole suggestion of scum didn't kill Firebringer seems like a scum one.

Okay.

Seems fairly obvious that what happened to him wasn't a standard kill and it was dumb to assume it was just a kill.

Also seems fairly obvious that when conftown confirms that someone is dead, it means they have knowledge of why they're dead.

And also seems most obvious that it doesn't make sense for conftown to know anything about scum actions.

But, whatever. Arriving at reasonable conclusions makes me scum.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

@Titus: I have no idea. Assuming mastin is implying some knowledge that fbs death was not due to the scum kill, it's possible they went after one of the conftown/probtown leaders, yourself, Yume, or mastin, and ran into protection.

It's interesting you say this.
I recall mentioning I knew Firebringer was dead.

I don't recall mentioning it's because a source outside of the scum's nightkill caused it.

I'll confirm this much: Firebringer's lack of a flip is not a scum ability.

You confirmed he was killed (see below). Unless you're scum claiming (and most of us think you're almost certainly town), how could you know that? The obvious answer is that you or someone who you have talked to did it. If that is the case, then him being dead is the result of an ability you know about, which implies that it is

not

a scum kill. This is like really simple logic. If you have nothing more substantive than that, can we please fucking move beyond your ego already. This is getting old.

@mastin: you do realize that nobody died last night, yes?

No, Firebringer is dead.
He was killed.

I'd rather not explain how I know this right now.
I just know he was.

Remember that time that you just knew you were going to be conftown on day 3? That was awesome. I assume you learned your lesson and you

actually know

this time. Please let me know if you are still in the habit of making really bad assumptions and telling the game that your bad assumptions are certain knowledge, so that I can re-assess.

~D

[farside22]

Nope

Your naked vote after I pointed out your terrible behavior yesterday suggests otherwise.

You DO realize how absurdly stupid and scummy that was right? I don't buy the temper tantrum angle. Much more likely you did it intentionally. It robbed people of protection, and potentially unchained people. Funny how you did that and then we have this event happening that is super bad for us. I'm

SURE

the two couldn't possibly be related though, amirite?

Should I bother mentioning that Cakez was scum and in the joy ride or does that fact just kind of get missed?
Or should I bother mentioning it's the only reason you put as a scum read on me.
Let me know which one sounds more scummy to you.

You acted with the belief that Cakey was town though allegedly. His scumflip is irrelevant to the determination of whether your play was protown.

He's paired sc and myself as scum together.
My action makes no sense in that regards.

Don't you dare defend the dude either.

[Reasonably Rational]

@RR, Your whole suggestion of scum didn't kill Firebringer seems like a scum one.

Please see the last post signed by me. Anyone who is paying attention should have realized that once Mastin said she knew that Firebringer was dead that we were missing a kill.

~D

[Reasonably Rational]

Nope

Your naked vote after I pointed out your terrible behavior yesterday suggests otherwise.

You DO realize how absurdly stupid and scummy that was right? I don't buy the temper tantrum angle. Much more likely you did it intentionally. It robbed people of protection, and potentially unchained people. Funny how you did that and then we have this event happening that is super bad for us. I'm

SURE

the two couldn't possibly be related though, amirite?

Should I bother mentioning that Cakez was scum and in the joy ride or does that fact just kind of get missed?
Or should I bother mentioning it's the only reason you put as a scum read on me.
Let me know which one sounds more scummy to you.

You acted with the belief that Cakey was town though allegedly. His scumflip is irrelevant to the determination of whether your play was protown.

He's paired sc and myself as scum together.
My action makes no sense in that regards.

Don't you dare defend the dude either.

Because scum distance from other scum who are about to die. You guys put on a freaking 3 act play in the thread with that drama. Neither of you are the ones who triggered the joy ride, so unless you just slipped and told us that you, SC,

AND

A50 are all scum together and used the joyride to try and get some townies on your side for vote power ... why would we have any reason to believe there wouldn't be two scum (or more) in the joyride?

There isn't any reason to make that assumption. A50 chose that group. And YOU blew it up and you and SC made a big show about it in the thread.

Then he flipped scum.

Checkmate.

~D

[grapes]

I thought A50 chose the members of the joyride?

[grapes]

this true..I will be the town's designated lynch bait for the game

Not this game buddy.

I think you're town.

[Reasonably Rational]

So I'm going to suggest nicely to get your alliances in order.
Skybird, you and me again, ok.

Also the event thing that came about some people should not use there ability.
I'll offer if skybird is okay doing it too.

This is scum trying to ram our lynch through before we can trigger our beach-a-palooza event. The Beach-a-palooza involves a vote for who wins and obviously Mastin will win and if Mastin clears us (or uses other rewards or whatever), that is bad. Anyone who has seen us in stride knows why scum would do anything to get rid of us. The day hasn't even been open for a single RL day and it's time to do alliances and shove a lynch through really fast before anyone can think about it?

Yeah ... that's totes a town approach to the game.

~D

[grapes]

Farside - Super anti-town play yesterday with what she did. If you think about the implications of it and how it could have been leveraged for maximum utility, her blowing up that event was the most anti-town thing I've ever seen on the site.
Foxbird - Read the ISO. Self-explanatory.
DGB - The whole Traitor thing. Makes zero sense. DGB also moved us to firm town late yesterday but then just voted us today. Back to the traitor thing: what would make DGB think there's a traitor unless she is one? It's not a thing I remember Varsoon using before and I don't see anything in the info we have to suggest one is present. Only way DGB is town is if it was a reaction test, but if that's the case, why isn't DGB engage din the main thread doing things like that?
KC - Something was off about the response to the DGB thing. If I were KC, there's no way someone could claim to be a scum to me and live. KC barely pushed it. That isn't a town response, imo.
You - Gut. You're too smart to actually think we're scum and you are also too smart to join in on an ego push, yet you seem to be doing both.

1) You missed the part where you're suppose to explain the scum motive
2) I'm reading the iso. Need this one explained to me.
3) Is DGB one of your buddies?
4) Decent point there on klingon, though.
5) What the heck is an ego push?

[Reasonably Rational]

I thought A50 chose the members of the joyride?

Yeah. That's why I think farside just slipped. There's no reason for Farside to appeal to SC being scum and in joyride to imply that she isn't scum. Then if you recall, they had a big drawn out fight in the thread culminating in farside "blowing up" the joyride. That's classic scum distancing. Now she's trying to get the day to end as fast as possible before people can show up and other people can stop and think a bit.

~D

[farside22]

Nope

Your naked vote after I pointed out your terrible behavior yesterday suggests otherwise.

You DO realize how absurdly stupid and scummy that was right? I don't buy the temper tantrum angle. Much more likely you did it intentionally. It robbed people of protection, and potentially unchained people. Funny how you did that and then we have this event happening that is super bad for us. I'm

SURE

the two couldn't possibly be related though, amirite?

Should I bother mentioning that Cakez was scum and in the joy ride or does that fact just kind of get missed?
Or should I bother mentioning it's the only reason you put as a scum read on me.
Let me know which one sounds more scummy to you.

You acted with the belief that Cakey was town though allegedly. His scumflip is irrelevant to the determination of whether your play was protown.

He's paired sc and myself as scum together.
My action makes no sense in that regards.

Don't you dare defend the dude either.

Because scum distance from other scum who are about to die. You guys put on a freaking 3 act play in the thread with that drama. Neither of you are the ones who triggered the joy ride, so unless you just slipped and told us that you, SC,

AND

A50 are all scum together and used the joyride to try and get some townies on your side for vote power ... why would we have any reason to believe there wouldn't be two scum (or more) in the joyride?

There isn't any reason to make that assumption. A50 chose that group. And YOU blew it up and you and SC made a big show about it in the thread.

Then he flipped scum.

Checkmate.

~D

I thought A50 chose the members of the joyride?

So I'm going to suggest nicely to get your alliances in order.
Skybird, you and me again, ok.

Also the event thing that came about some people should not use there ability.
I'll offer if skybird is okay doing it too.

This is scum trying to ram our lynch through before we can trigger our beach-a-palooza event. The Beach-a-palooza involves a vote for who wins and obviously Mastin will win and if Mastin clears us (or uses other rewards or whatever), that is bad. Anyone who has seen us in stride knows why scum would do anything to get rid of us. The day hasn't even been open for a single RL day and it's time to do alliances and shove a lynch through really fast before anyone can think about it?

Yeah ... that's totes a town approach to the game.

~D

Someone is desperate.
I actually forgot who triggered the joy ride.
I think it's funny that RR is basically using one part of a huge game to call it an act. There was a group, we asked questioned and interacted, why aren't you asking A50 anything......oh that's right because confirming what was said in alliance would make your case weak.

Oh I'm just giving people a heads up, would you like me to use my vote ability now?
I can if you want me to?

[mastin2]

Do you know snarky's meta? I tried to talk with fire about this because he modded a game with snarky scum and I pointed out his start here was strikely similar to here.

Not well enough. I know he's a low-content, borderline-VI poster alignment-regardless. I do have methods of reading players like him, and I'm probably one of the better players at doing just that, it's just that it's far from an exact science. There's lots of guesswork involved. SnarkySnowman's a solid null right now. Could be town, could be scum. What I've seen has me guessing at town, but I wouldn't know for sure until later. I'm good, but not perfect.

[grapes]

Wait wait wait.

So what you're saying is that farside is pretending to think that her being put into a hood with scum lends credence to her being town in order to get town-cred. And that destorying the joyride was scum theater?

What interactions stand out to you as scum/scum wrt to farside and cakes?
I don't remember them interacting very much at all in-thread at least.
I know that it seemed like farside was townreading cakes because he was doing a lot of buddying towards her by making his stances sorta appeal to her perspective in some cases. But nothing to make me think they're buddies. Or at least nothing that blasted out to me as such.