STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

VOTE: Farside

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

Because I'm not scum.

Why?

[farside22]

VOTE: Farside

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

Because I'm not scum.

Why?

Because the mod gave me a town PM.
I asked him when I pre/in if I could be town, I hate being scum these days.

[Reasonably Rational]

Cerb,

I think your comments against the general approach are misplaced. If approaching this thread by the scientific theory, it's guess and check. Then correct. That explains the pattern you see. It's frustrating and from your PoV incorrect but still a valid strategy but it isn't yours.

I am more pragmatic than most. Even if you're scum (assuming Mastina correct), there is low long term ev in forcing you to be lynched today. I just don't see why we wouldn't trigger your ability first. You can't refuse to use your ability without confirming yourself as scum. Then we get confirmation of whether you are town or scum plus reads to work from. I don't happen to think you are scum maybe, so I guess null.

Why don't you case your biggest scumread? Start to now?

~Titus

I will eventually, but right now I see no personal benefit to dumping my weekend into this game. I know it's optimal to maximize the information we share and our obligation to prevent at mislynch, but right this moment, I don't care about winning at all. I care about enjoying myself, and playing mafia isn't the most enjoyable way to spend my time. If town wants to rush a lynch they can. If they care about what I have to say then they'll hear it.

Right now, only you, NC, and now Random have responded to our posts in a non-dismissive fashion, but the 8 people still voting us are unmoved, and one of them has a vig pointed at our heads. It's incredibly implausible that we don't end up dead today, so I'm not going to drop everything to help people who are being stubborn. I'll do it in my own time, wagon and vig be damned. It'll happen sooner rather than later most likely, but it won't delay a single iota of possible enjoyment from the rest of my life.

-Cerb

[farside22]

Why you wking scum shiro?

[farside22]

Why you wking scum shiro?

@Obi head that is probably beeboy

[farside22]

Cerb,

I think your comments against the general approach are misplaced. If approaching this thread by the scientific theory, it's guess and check. Then correct. That explains the pattern you see. It's frustrating and from your PoV incorrect but still a valid strategy but it isn't yours.

I am more pragmatic than most. Even if you're scum (assuming Mastina correct), there is low long term ev in forcing you to be lynched today. I just don't see why we wouldn't trigger your ability first. You can't refuse to use your ability without confirming yourself as scum. Then we get confirmation of whether you are town or scum plus reads to work from. I don't happen to think you are scum maybe, so I guess null.

Why don't you case your biggest scumread? Start to now?

~Titus

I will eventually, but right now I see no personal benefit to dumping my weekend into this game. I know it's optimal to maximize the information we share and our obligation to prevent at mislynch, but right this moment, I don't care about winning at all. I care about enjoying myself, and playing mafia isn't the most enjoyable way to spend my time. If town wants to rush a lynch they can. If they care about what I have to say then they'll hear it.

Right now, only you, NC, and now Random have responded to our posts in a non-dismissive fashion, but the 8 people still voting us are unmoved, and one of them has a vig pointed at our heads. It's incredibly implausible that we don't end up dead today, so I'm not going to drop everything to help people who are being stubborn. I'll do it in my own time, wagon and vig be damned. It'll happen sooner rather than later most likely, but it won't delay a single iota of possible enjoyment from the rest of my life.

-Cerb

I moved my vote.
Just an fyi

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

VOTE: Farside

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

Because I'm not scum.

Why?

Because the mod gave me a town PM.
I asked him when I pre/in if I could be town, I hate being scum these days.

You had Cakey as a scum read. When momentum shifted to lynch Cakey, you had a mysterious townread based on what he said. Yet, you haven't divulged any of it, or looked at how Cakey manipulated you.

[Reasonably Rational]

You can't lynch farside because she will just shoot someone and end the day. Optimal play to do so regardless of her alignment.

-Cerb

Pedit: yes, moved your vote while still posturing about shooting us and ending the day. For some reason that doesn't fill me with relief.

Also, your response to my wall was incredibly apathetic and lazy. What part of what I said was untrue?

[Shiro]

Why you wking scum shiro?

I do not think I am, miss SirCakez is town.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

You can't lynch farside because she will just shoot someone and end the day. Optimal play to do so regardless of her alignment.

-Cerb

Pedit: yes, moved your vote while still posturing about shooting us and ending the day. For some reason that doesn't fill me with relief.

Also, your response to my wall was incredibly apathetic and lazy. What part of what I said was untrue?

Ooh this sounds like a challenge. Forcing scum to act irrationally and hastily isn't a bad idea. If Farside is indeed scum, we want that ability used sooner, rather than later. It definitely cannot be around in lylo.

[Reasonably Rational]

For the record, I'm having trouble reconciling the idea of farside as scum with her having a gun that ALSO costs town a lynch. Unless the ability has some other cost associated with it (most likely loss of a NK or something like that), I can only see that being a balanced tool to give to scum in the presence of 1) a number of traditional day vigs, or 2) day role blockers/neutralizes of some sort.

But even then...if Farside22 didn't claim that, how would anyone know to stop her? Hell, farside, is your vig publicly activated or privately activated?

-Cerb

[farside22]

VOTE: Farside

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

Because I'm not scum.

Why?

Because the mod gave me a town PM.
I asked him when I pre/in if I could be town, I hate being scum these days.

You had Cakey as a scum read. When momentum shifted to lynch Cakey, you had a mysterious townread based on what he said. Yet, you haven't divulged any of it, or looked at how Cakey manipulated you.

You can't lynch farside because she will just shoot someone and end the day. Optimal play to do so regardless of her alignment.

-Cerb

Pedit: yes, moved your vote while still posturing about shooting us and ending the day. For some reason that doesn't fill me with relief.

Also, your response to my wall was incredibly apathetic and lazy. What part of what I said was untrue?

Ooh this sounds like a challenge. Forcing scum to act irrationally and hastily isn't a bad idea. If Farside is indeed scum, we want that ability used sooner, rather than later. It definitely cannot be around in lylo.

1) I explained it, you never read it.
2) I plan on using it today, so no need to worry your head about it.

[farside22]

For the record, I'm having trouble reconciling the idea of farside as scum with her having a gun that ALSO costs town a lynch. Unless the ability has some other cost associated with it (most likely loss of a NK or something like that), I can only see that being a balanced tool to give to scum in the presence of 1) a number of traditional day vigs, or 2) day role blockers/neutralizes of some sort.

But even then...if Farside22 didn't claim that, how would anyone know to stop her? Hell, farside, is your vig publicly activated or privately activated?

-Cerb

I can do it public or private. I chose to tell people about it and really didn't have to.

[McMenno]

I like meta arguments.

VOTE: Shiro

I did a brief reread of a50's ISO last night. I still don't know where you get A50 as scum beyond ardent defense of scum and that looks more like denial.

Meta reads are garbage.

VOTE: Creature

Let's see what happens.

Holy shit this is so fucking stupid. Mastin how do you even confbias this hard. You are literally refusing to acknowledge anything RR is saying as right.
VOTE: farside
I will follow RR to the death.

VOTE: Farside

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

stop making bad votes please

[farside22]

You can't lynch farside because she will just shoot someone and end the day. Optimal play to do so regardless of her alignment.

-Cerb

Pedit: yes, moved your vote while still posturing about shooting us and ending the day. For some reason that doesn't fill me with relief.

Also, your response to my wall was incredibly apathetic and lazy. What part of what I said was untrue?

Sorry but I'm still trying to understand your scum read on players so don't mind me while I skim your post waiting for that.

[Reasonably Rational]

For the record, I'm having trouble reconciling the idea of farside as scum with her having a gun that ALSO costs town a lynch. Unless the ability has some other cost associated with it (most likely loss of a NK or something like that), I can only see that being a balanced tool to give to scum in the presence of 1) a number of traditional day vigs, or 2) day role blockers/neutralizes of some sort.

But even then...if Farside22 didn't claim that, how would anyone know to stop her? Hell, farside, is your vig publicly activated or privately activated?

-Cerb

I can do it public or private. I chose to tell people about it and really didn't have to.

Yeah. This can't really be scum. I just don't see how to make it work mechanically. Lurk, keep quiet about it, then town just loses because their last lynch is stolen from them.

-Cerb

Pedit: oh, so your problem is that you only care about the reasoning behind my reads, and nothing else I say or have done previously is significant to you?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Where is the post that I missed allegedly Farside?

[farside22]

I like meta arguments.

VOTE: Shiro

I did a brief reread of a50's ISO last night. I still don't know where you get A50 as scum beyond ardent defense of scum and that looks more like denial.

Meta reads are garbage.

VOTE: Creature

Let's see what happens.

Holy shit this is so fucking stupid. Mastin how do you even confbias this hard. You are literally refusing to acknowledge anything RR is saying as right.
VOTE: farside
I will follow RR to the death.

VOTE: Farside

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

stop making bad votes please

Nah, shiro is scum here.
I'm giving milk and cookies to more votes on her if need be.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

For the record, I'm having trouble reconciling the idea of farside as scum with her having a gun that ALSO costs town a lynch. Unless the ability has some other cost associated with it (most likely loss of a NK or something like that), I can only see that being a balanced tool to give to scum in the presence of 1) a number of traditional day vigs, or 2) day role blockers/neutralizes of some sort.

But even then...if Farside22 didn't claim that, how would anyone know to stop her? Hell, farside, is your vig publicly activated or privately activated?

-Cerb

I can do it public or private. I chose to tell people about it and really didn't have to.

Yeah. This can't really be scum. I just don't see how to make it work mechanically. Lurk, keep quiet about it, then town just loses because their last lynch is stolen from them.

-Cerb

Pedit: oh, so your problem is that you only care about the reasoning behind my reads, and nothing else I say or have done previously is significant to you?

But if they have conftown they cannot kill in lylo?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I like meta arguments.

VOTE: Shiro

I did a brief reread of a50's ISO last night. I still don't know where you get A50 as scum beyond ardent defense of scum and that looks more like denial.

Meta reads are garbage.

VOTE: Creature

Let's see what happens.

Holy shit this is so fucking stupid. Mastin how do you even confbias this hard. You are literally refusing to acknowledge anything RR is saying as right.
VOTE: farside
I will follow RR to the death.

VOTE: Farside

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

stop making bad votes please

Nah, shiro is scum here.
I'm giving milk and cookies to more votes on her if need be.

Giving cookies... Lols.

Giving cookies to Shiro to vote is my thing.

[farside22]

For the record, I'm having trouble reconciling the idea of farside as scum with her having a gun that ALSO costs town a lynch. Unless the ability has some other cost associated with it (most likely loss of a NK or something like that), I can only see that being a balanced tool to give to scum in the presence of 1) a number of traditional day vigs, or 2) day role blockers/neutralizes of some sort.

But even then...if Farside22 didn't claim that, how would anyone know to stop her? Hell, farside, is your vig publicly activated or privately activated?

-Cerb

I can do it public or private. I chose to tell people about it and really didn't have to.

Yeah. This can't really be scum. I just don't see how to make it work mechanically. Lurk, keep quiet about it, then town just loses because their last lynch is stolen from them.

-Cerb

Pedit: oh, so your problem is that you only care about the reasoning behind my reads, and nothing else I say or have done previously is significant to you?

I'm more interested in your reads. Sorry that's just how I am.

Where is the post that I missed allegedly Farside?

No, you go back and look beeboy. I did quote after fucking quote day 1 of things you didn't read correctly.
Do your own work.

[farside22]

For the record, I'm having trouble reconciling the idea of farside as scum with her having a gun that ALSO costs town a lynch. Unless the ability has some other cost associated with it (most likely loss of a NK or something like that), I can only see that being a balanced tool to give to scum in the presence of 1) a number of traditional day vigs, or 2) day role blockers/neutralizes of some sort.

But even then...if Farside22 didn't claim that, how would anyone know to stop her? Hell, farside, is your vig publicly activated or privately activated?

-Cerb

I can do it public or private. I chose to tell people about it and really didn't have to.

Yeah. This can't really be scum. I just don't see how to make it work mechanically. Lurk, keep quiet about it, then town just loses because their last lynch is stolen from them.

-Cerb

Pedit: oh, so your problem is that you only care about the reasoning behind my reads, and nothing else I say or have done previously is significant to you?

But if they have conftown they cannot kill in lylo?

Big red X.

I can use my ability at any time there.
Sorry.

[Reasonably Rational]

That's fine, but don't launch attacks at me based on things you don't care about and make me waste my time telling you why you're wrong. Thanks.

-Cerb

Pedit: why wouldn't they be able to use it to kill conftown in lylo? I mean, a lylo gate would be reasonable, but seriously, the power is absurd in scum hands. It's like a scum gladiate without any of the risk inherent in that.

[farside22]

That's fine, but don't launch attacks at me based on things you don't care about and make me waste my time telling you why you're wrong. Thanks.

-Cerb

Pedit: why wouldn't they be able to use it to kill conftown in lylo? I mean, a lylo gate would be reasonable, but seriously, the power is absurd in scum hands. It's like a scum gladiate without any of the risk inherent in that.

I didn't ask you to do anything.

I'm just going to go back to lurking at this point.

[Almost50]

HINT: Maybe it had to do with the joyride and him being town amids scum. Just a thought you guys. Just a thought. Almost did say there would be an event at night from it.

almost did say he wanted somethign to succeed from there and next day the universal townread member of it disappears

Every single post I read from you makes me want to strangle you not with a rope, but with barbed wire.

1- Joy Ride was DISSOLVED before the day ended, and thus there was NO night event resulting from it.

2- FARSIDE dissolved Joy Ride, not FB.

3- If I was scum with Far, she wouldn't have dissolved my event, would she? You would think scum would have the decency to pre-plan together before they triggered an event. You'd also think they'd convene and pick the members of their own event.

4- IF the event was handpicked by scum, and it had an effect on some town player who would have to be on it for the effect to take place, you would think scum would go for some STRONG town player. Someone who would be a threat to the scum team regardless. FB only revealed his role during the Exposition phase (i.e. after the event was already on). You'd think Mastina, Obi or even RR would've been picked in there for the kill (since that's what you're implying it did).

5- The name of the event ALONE should make it clear it's a TOWN event.

6- If you missed that, the event had NO EFFECT on the stress level. Scum event tend to up the stress level.

7- You're whole argument (and -in fact- every other argument you make) is so dumb I have nothing to respond to. I only use sarcasm and humour to avoid outright calling you a shrimp.

8- The only think keeping me from voting you now and picking up on my tunnel from yesterday is the lack of confidence in all my reads from before as a result of the SC flip. I'm working on it though, and I think that I WILL end up voting you again and again and again until you're gone.

9- Being stupid is a privilege. Some just abuse it.