STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[farside22]

Hey mastin, how about Shiro as scum.
A50 point is bad but all Shiro did was mention some bad post and then shit post all over the game.
Check out how she was in homestead why that doesn't read town

[farside22]

You refuse to acknowledge your bias.
We can't all be happy.

Pot, kettle, black.

I'm much much less bias then Titus.

[farside22]

I'm totally making only one scum read with a number of people in this game next time and doing nothing more.
It's apparently town to do.
In fact I'm officially lurking this game day till it ends.

[farside22]

Klingoncelt is null.
I have that in my do not care pile.

Since every thinks I'm wrong Titus you do whatever you want.
I'll just be around day 2 to pick up pieces.

[farside22]

Skybird I'm just letting you know I'm still up for day 2.

[farside22]

Where is cooldog anyways.

[farside22]

The joy ride alliance is officially terrible, its a echo chamber of reads.

Farside now thinks I am scum with Shiro and Snarky.

Done with posting in there.

@Varsoon Can I just leave the alliance?

That's because you just say gut and want to town read them.
I've even asked you about snarky in a game you modded, which you just ignored.

[farside22]

The joy ride alliance is officially terrible, its a echo chamber of reads.

Farside now thinks I am scum with Shiro and Snarky.

Done with posting in there.

@Varsoon Can I just leave the alliance?

That's because you just say gut and want to town read them.
I've even asked you about snarky in a game you modded, which you just ignored.

I haven't seen Snarky be that active in other games. I saw him modding, but I have no idea if he just busy or isn't interested in the game.

Lurking isn't a scum tell for everyone and 1 game isn't good enough to get a idea of someones style.

Why don't you vote me if you think I am scum with those two?
Ill join it.

I said his attitude not lurking.
Stop lying.

Actually keep lying here the rest of the joy ride can verify this.

[farside22]

SirCakez (8): Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, Yume, grapes, Firebringer, Reasonably rational
Shiro (4): Farside22, Skybird, Almost50
Skybird (2): killthestory, Creature
McMenno (2): CooLDoG, Seraphim
Not Chara (1): Kraskaeaque
Almost50 (1): Shiro
Creature (1): Xkfyu
Obi-Wan Kenobi (1): SirCakez
Farside22 (1): SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6): Klingoncelt, Foxbird, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball

[farside22]

Farside, are we allying or not? If you responded, my apologies for missing it.

Yes please.
Also I have no energy to fight Titus, so if you want to switch I won't blame you. I just know from what we've talked about in the PT I'm pretty certain cakez is town.
I'll just tell Titus I told her so on day 2.

[farside22]

That's L-1, claim time cakey.

L-2

[farside22]

Just knew that the joy ride could target each other and could not be targeted by anyone outside the group.
I was aware of the voting everyone for the same player and getting an extra vote, which I hinted at.

[farside22]

but he can make pro-town players BP.

Any scum an fakeclaim that, since they already know whom they are killing.

Just knew that the joy ride could target each other and could not be targeted by anyone outside the group.
I was aware of the voting everyone for the same player and getting an extra vote, which I hinted at.

[farside22]

but he can make pro-town players BP.

Any scum an fakeclaim that, since they already know whom they are killing.

Just knew that the joy ride could target each other and could not be targeted by anyone outside the group.
I was aware of the voting everyone for the same player and getting an extra vote, which I hinted at.

So, why the resistance to voting obvscum? Wouldn't the rest of you get the power?

You really aren't reading my post.
I just stated what part of his claim was truth.

Tirus= delusional

[farside22]

Cakez I am like 99.99999999999999% Sure Obi is town.

Sadly I agree with this read.

[farside22]

but he can make pro-town players BP.

Any scum an fakeclaim that, since they already know whom they are killing.

Just knew that the joy ride could target each other and could not be targeted by anyone outside the group.
I was aware of the voting everyone for the same player and getting an extra vote, which I hinted at.

So, why the resistance to voting obvscum? Wouldn't the rest of you get the power?

You really aren't reading my post.
I just stated what part of his claim was truth.

Tirus= delusional

I asked you question. Would your extra vote work if all of you voted Cakey? If so, why not vote him and be done.

the extra vote can't hammer. it was in Cakez's claim.

This and apparently you missed all members need to vote for it and cakez didn't say every day.

[farside22]

So, you're bribable to not vote scum by getting an extra vote to not vote scum with.

Pretty cut and dry. At least we know why you resisted lynching Cakey. You want power. That's what motivates you.

Babble, babble, babble.

[farside22]

So, you're bribable to not vote scum by getting an extra vote to not vote scum with.

Pretty cut and dry. At least we know why you resisted lynching Cakey. You want power. That's what motivates you.

Interpret please?

[farside22]

So, you're bribable to not vote scum by getting an extra vote to not vote scum with.

Pretty cut and dry. At least we know why you resisted lynching Cakey. You want power. That's what motivates you.

those last two sentences are so dramatic i wish i had said them.
this argument doesn't seem worthwhile to me. you're both townreading each other. unless this post was accusing farside of something that has to do with her alignment.

Oh good, you understood.
What did she mean?

So, you're bribable to not vote scum by getting an extra vote to not vote scum with.

Pretty cut and dry. At least we know why you resisted lynching Cakey. You want power. That's what motivates you.

Interpret please?

You see the extra vote, and you'll be scum's Townbeard for it.

[farside22]

I'm not getting it.
Maybe I need to be getting drunk

[farside22]

To be fair I don't care about the extra vote once it was clear cool dog was going to be unavailable

[farside22]

I think I am done here.

SirCakey promises Farside that she can have a extra vote if they agree and he lives.
Farside townreads him and refuses to vote his scumreads and sticks to voting town.

Not exactly a far out conclusion to reach when Farside can usually justify her opinions.

It's sad what power makes people do.

Looks up the word:
Delusional

Sees a picture of Titus.

Wow I'm impressed I know someone that got their name in the dictionary.
You go girl!

[farside22]

ah, yes. i too would throw away my values and reads for the unimaginable power of a double-vote.
poor Skybird has probably already let her total control over the game cloud her judgement completely.

what about the much more likely: farside is townreading Cakez because of his hood interactions. like you are townreading Rational for their hood interactions.

please stop this argument. it is doubly distracting and useless when you're both townreading each other. :> albeit full of lines i am screencapping.

Wins!

Thanks nc
If I didn't have plans with sky I'd pick you to ally with.

[farside22]

I'd still like to see Shiro lynched.
She made one weak case push and never responded to why she was scum read mcmenno.

@NC, No one thinks they would change their reads for power, but they convince themselves by townreading the person who gives them the power. It's not far from that to sheepage of scum, especially when the ability requires it.

Skybird didn't have to sheep Cakey I believe.

Since Farside cannot see reality smacking her in the face, she needs to be shown what she's doing here.

When her sole justificationis I am delusional, which is the same line scum is pushing and completely ignores Mastina and RR, yes she does need to see what she's doing.

This is abnormal for Farside.

I see lots of sheeping with little commentary from many.
I'm pretty happy disagreeing with you and then come in day 2 with a Nelson laugh.

[farside22]

@NC, No one thinks they would change their reads for power, but they convince themselves by townreading the person who gives them the power. It's not far from that to sheepage of scum, especially when the ability requires it.

Skybird didn't have to sheep Cakey I believe.

Since Farside cannot see reality smacking her in the face, she needs to be shown what she's doing here.

When her sole justificationis I am delusional, which is the same line scum is pushing and completely ignores Mastina and RR, yes she does need to see what she's doing.

This is abnormal for Farside.

i was speaking to both of you. this argument is not helpful. pick it up later, perhaps, but you aren't going to get anywhere now.
please trust me on this. i've gone through this situation too many times over

myself

in a single game.
or perhaps that makes me uniquely

unqualified

to talk about it. haha.
then again, you know each other personally, so perhaps i can't understand.

I refuse to write Farside off as unreasonable, I respect them too much.

Very unreasonable.
How dare I not just blindly sheep everyone else.

[farside22]

Literally no one else has claimed BP?

Our alliance is semi BP
A few others hinted

That's because of me you dingus

Actually it's bc of BOTH of us. SC made us all BP, and I made us all immune to actions from outside the alliance (but unfortunately we also can't target anyone outside the alliance).

So, you've been double protected by this alliance, FB. This very alliance you've been treating like garbage!

Great, scum don't want to kill any of you because you've been that terrible.

Can't be maniputed.
Yeah I'm pretty sure i have a greater shot to die then many others.
There hadn't been a flip.
I can't wait till day 2.

[farside22]

Also I told cakez to do something he hasn't done and I hinted it would help him.
Scum not taking that offer I'm about 99% sure he's town.

[farside22]

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

And this is town.

Let's play let's make a deal Titus.
I'm feeling a bit pissy with you.
I feel you need to take your arrogance down a notch.
So here is my deal and it will be fair.
If I'm right you can't not only stop arguing day 2, you need to sheep my read day 2.
If your right I eat my words, call my reads bad and sheep you day 2.
Here is the thing, you don't comply I vote you and refuse to move till your dead.

[farside22]

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

...who are you trying to be fair to, SirCakez? should farside not be townreading you? is town!you really in a position to be telling those townreading you... to not do it for this reason.

i'm having trouble articulating myself. how do i explain that this post is exceptionally scummy?

To everyone, but mainly farside
I don't want her to townread me over something I didn't do? That would be the real scum move there.
She's already townreading me anyway.
P-edit: I thought you did from when you acknowledged my softing earlier ffs

Personally I knew this.
I think you correcting what happened should be obvious town.
But you got brick wall called titus.

[farside22]

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

And this is town.

Let's play let's make a deal Titus.
I'm feeling a bit pissy with you.
I feel you need to take your arrogance down a notch.
So here is my deal and it will be fair.
If I'm right you can't not only stop arguing day 2, you need to sheep my read day 2.
If your right I eat my words, call my reads bad and sheep you day 2.
Here is the thing, you don't comply I vote you and refuse to move till your dead.

And why should I deal with you? I don't mindlessly sheep and nor do you. Mindlessly Sheeping is Antitown as fuck. We get there by justifying our opinions and talking. It took this much to highlight Cakey's bribery to the hood. You mindlessly Sheeping, this never comes out.

You are basically Cakey's pawn and you want to justify voting town.

Well ill just vote you day 2 then.

[farside22]

And I'm disbanding the alliance so Titus whole power trip BS is pretty null and void.

[farside22]

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

And this is town.

Let's play let's make a deal Titus.
I'm feeling a bit pissy with you.
I feel you need to take your arrogance down a notch.
So here is my deal and it will be fair.
If I'm right you can't not only stop arguing day 2, you need to sheep my read day 2.
If your right I eat my words, call my reads bad and sheep you day 2.
Here is the thing, you don't comply I vote you and refuse to move till your dead.

please stop.

please

stop this.
everyone is arrogant. being wrong on one read is not going to stop that. i thought so too, earlier. i don't feel like quoting the post but not a few days ago i used the phrase 'online whiplash' to refer to three players being wrong about a read on me. now i realize they would shrug it off, do some reevaluating, and continue on.

She (titus) isn't reevaluating her reads.

[farside22]

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

And this is town.

Let's play let's make a deal Titus.
I'm feeling a bit pissy with you.
I feel you need to take your arrogance down a notch.
So here is my deal and it will be fair.
If I'm right you can't not only stop arguing day 2, you need to sheep my read day 2.
If your right I eat my words, call my reads bad and sheep you day 2.
Here is the thing, you don't comply I vote you and refuse to move till your dead.

please stop.

please

stop this.
everyone is arrogant. being wrong on one read is not going to stop that. i thought so too, earlier. i don't feel like quoting the post but not a few days ago i used the phrase 'online whiplash' to refer to three players being wrong about a read on me. now i realize they would shrug it off, do some reevaluating, and continue on.

She (titus) isn't reevaluating her reads.

There's no flip to and you've provided no reason to. What else would I think?

I've said I see things town from him.
In the PT.
All I saw here was a meta, the same thing over and over from you and mindless sheeping.


Your getting what you want out of this. I just hope you look back at this wagon and realize how awful some of these players sheeping and comments are.

Also on a side note since I did disband the alliance, I'd still like players to target me.

[farside22]

VOTE: Farside

I gave you what you wanted and yet you vote me.
You need to seek help.

[farside22]

Ohh I don't have a scumread on farside.
She just made 4 players who were BP into not BP.

That deserves a policy.

Did you unvote sc and I missed it?

[farside22]

VOTE: Farside

I gave you what you wanted and yet you vote me.
You need to seek help.

I didn't want to give up BP. I just wanted out of the PT.
Which I got when I stopped posting there and ignoring it.

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

And this is town.

Let's play let's make a deal Titus.
I'm feeling a bit pissy with you.
I feel you need to take your arrogance down a notch.
So here is my deal and it will be fair.
If I'm right you can't not only stop arguing day 2, you need to sheep my read day 2.
If your right I eat my words, call my reads bad and sheep you day 2.
Here is the thing, you don't comply I vote you and refuse to move till your dead.

please stop.

please

stop this.
everyone is arrogant. being wrong on one read is not going to stop that. i thought so too, earlier. i don't feel like quoting the post but not a few days ago i used the phrase 'online whiplash' to refer to three players being wrong about a read on me. now i realize they would shrug it off, do some reevaluating, and continue on.

She (titus) isn't reevaluating her reads.

There's no flip to and you've provided no reason to. What else would I think?

I've said I see things town from him.
In the PT.
All I saw here was a meta, the same thing over and over from you and mindless sheeping.


Your getting what you want out of this. I just hope you look back at this wagon and realize how awful some of these players sheeping and comments are.

Also on a side note since I did disband the alliance, I'd still like players to target me.

I am going to look at that if wrong, but you need to be open to the possibility you are wrong. It's easier to fool some than all. You should be re-evaluating your reads here. Like, you have systemically ignored engaging reasons for anything you do and just insult and deflect. I would be scumreading you but others in the past told me only town go toe to toe with me and get this frustrated.

1) when a flip happens I'd reevaluate if I'm wrong.
I'm just saying you do the same.
2) no I didn't do it for you fire. You bitched and moan too much. I did it because it was for myself. I don't really care. I just recalled you wanted a new ally and we're done with the pt. Titus seems to think we won't die tonight anyways, what you worried about?

[farside22]

I am not moving my vote for all of time.
Tomorrow going to vote farside till lynched or day ends.
The next day going to vote farside till lynched or day ends.

Repeat till I am dead or game is over.

Good luck with that.

[farside22]

I think I am done here.

SirCakey promises Farside that she can have a extra vote if they agree and he lives.
Farside townreads him and refuses to vote his scumreads and sticks to voting town.

Not exactly a far out conclusion to reach when Farside can usually justify her opinions.

It's sad what power makes people do.

You guys want monkey business? You got it!

As of NOW, Obi-Wan Kenobi & Farside22 are both demoted to SCUM LEAN.

Obi is so persistent to lynch the BP source, and farside has just decided to disband the event altogether. This tells me they're scum TOGETHER and have been faking it to find out who the source of all that shit was. They now know what my event did, and -additionally- have sabotaged it to no remedy. They also know SC's full role, and that's all scum needed to know.

I partially blame Mastina for early town reading farside (which I must admit has affected my read on her), but I mainly blame myself for my betrayal to myself. I had promised myself I will work individually in this game, and taking anyone's reads into account was a fatal mistake.

Also, Mastina: RR is TOWN, OBI has been playing them, not the other way around. I have seen this Titus ONCE before (in THIS game Blitz 26), but -fortunately- Ranger was there for the rescue.

I may need to reevaluate some of my reads later on, but scum are definitely to be found in TheFuzzylogic99, Not Chara, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Farside22, Creature & Shiro (that's the entire scum team OR 5 of them are scum and one is really bad town).

Done with this. These are the 6 lynches I'm willing to take all game long. Nobody else.

I did ask before I did it.

[farside22]

2) no I didn't do it for you fire. You bitched and moan too much. I did it because it was for myself. I don't really care. I just recalled you wanted a new ally and we're done with the pt. Titus seems to think we won't die tonight anyways, what you worried about?

I revealed like 40% of the contents of my role mostly under pretense that I was likely not going to be targeted because of BP protection.

So yes, I am ticked off that you took that away, and i don't care who Titus thinks is going to die, unless she is scum she has no idea who is going to die.

I didn't notice you doing that.

[farside22]

Maybe I should just day vig Shiro.
That'd make me feel better.
What do you think a50?

[farside22]

In fact, this is a MUCH better lynch target right now:

VOTE: farside22

Like, the last thing she was saying in the PT was she was Town reading both me and Cakez, and the next thing you know is she is disbanding the event. WHY? Give me ONE FRIGGIN' GOOD REASON. Why would you revoke protection form your TOWN reads?? Why would you disband a TOWN event, that was likely to give town BONUSES??

Cakez is getting lynched.
Like literally right on the precious.
Your bad reads won't have you dying.
Serioisly.

[farside22]

SirCakez: and they would knot it was fake... how? they would know you hadn't read farside's post through... ah, mind control, perhaps.
or the lie detector. were you afraid of that?
unlikely, but i'm just guessing at this point.

Titus: the bulletproof is not fake. you're pushing the wrong angle.
Firebringer: your personal feelings about farside (who you are not scumreading, but your own admission) should not be making you vote her.
farside: you are just as stubborn as Titus is.
Almost50: ...well. our hydra will be an interesting one, i can tell you that much.
someone stop me. i said i would leave an hour ago.

Then push the right one before Farside walks herself into a rope.

I'm not worried.

Like you have 2 players who aren't strong town reads, thinking they were going to not die because of DC.
That's just beyond sad.

[farside22]

Firebringer: your personal feelings about farside (who you are not scumreading, but your own admission) should not be making you vote her.

Its really not that personal.
She did an extreme anti town thing.
She needs to go.

Its pretty simple.

Agreed. Farside cannot live until lylo. She just should be vigged and we lynch the confscum that cannot be vigged. I will fucking do it if I have to in order to get Cakey lynched.

Why are you agreeing? You said sc was lying.

[farside22]

SirCakez: and they would knot it was fake... how? they would know you hadn't read farside's post through... ah, mind control, perhaps.
or the lie detector. were you afraid of that?
unlikely, but i'm just guessing at this point.

Titus: the bulletproof is not fake. you're pushing the wrong angle.
Firebringer: your personal feelings about farside (who you are not scumreading, but your own admission) should not be making you vote her.
farside: you are just as stubborn as Titus is.
Almost50: ...well. our hydra will be an interesting one, i can tell you that much.
someone stop me. i said i would leave an hour ago.

Then push the right one before Farside walks herself into a rope.

I'm not worried.

Like you have 2 players who aren't strong town reads, thinking they were going to not die because of Bp.
That's just beyond sad.

Fixed

[farside22]

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

This was why disbanding was so much more preferable.
2 whiners, is one 2 many.
It just got 10 x worse for everyone else.

You know what's funny is a50 was so calm in the PT and crazy in thread, great guy. Fire was being just weird about a50 but wow I just thought it was a personality thing. Now I just think, 2 people that act the same, can't stand each other.

[farside22]

Firebringer: your personal feelings about farside (who you are not scumreading, but your own admission) should not be making you vote her.

Its really not that personal.
She did an extreme anti town thing.
She needs to go.

Its pretty simple.

Agreed. Farside cannot live until lylo. She just should be vigged and we lynch the confscum that cannot be vigged. I will fucking do it if I have to in order to get Cakey lynched.

Why are you agreeing? You said sc was lying.

What you did WAS insanely anti-town. There were two scum in that hood. Those scum can now target anyone. Almost50 is now vulnerable to dumb vig.

SC is lying. That doesn't make your act protown.

Sc isn't scum.

[farside22]

I might just want them to be scum. Starting to doubt though NC scum though.

NC is town as hell.

[farside22]

So like are you going to explain your actions or is it all "whiners"

I'm being selfish.

Honestly. I really liked the group and then things seemed like they were getting misconstrued by you, the sc was getting pushed for a lynch and I thought this group has issues.
I figure sc will be lynched and Cooldog was such a nothing read I didn't want anything to do with the group.
I didn't know if the BP was true. I said exactly what we knew.
I'm not saying much more for role related reasons.

[farside22]

So like are you going to explain your actions or is it all "whiners"

I'm being selfish.

Honestly. I really liked the group and then things seemed like they were getting misconstrued by you, the sc was getting pushed for a lynch and I thought this group has issues.
I figure sc will be lynched and Cooldog was such a nothing read I didn't want anything to do with the group.
I didn't know if the BP was true. I said exactly what we knew.
I'm not saying much more for role related reasons.

Great, the BP might not be true...someone is counter claiming Cakey, come on...

Titus: the one player that will use the one thing that helps her.
There is a thought for a sig for you.

[farside22]

So like are you going to explain your actions or is it all "whiners"

I'm being selfish.

Honestly. I really liked the group and then things seemed like they were getting misconstrued by you, the sc was getting pushed for a lynch and I thought this group has issues.
I figure sc will be lynched and Cooldog was such a nothing read I didn't want anything to do with the group.
I didn't know if the BP was true. I said exactly what we knew.
I'm not saying much more for role related reasons.

wtf you talking about?
Unless Almost is lying, he didn't take credit for the BP of the event.

and read the openning post:
"Members of this Alliance may not be killed by any normal killing actions."

Ahhhh
The normal action thing was throwing me off.

[farside22]

@RR Almost knew the whole day I was the BP provider. The joy ride did not know though.

No, I didn't (and I'm sorry I didn't look any closer). When the PT header said we [redacted] I assumed it was bc we could not be affected by anyone else's actions, and the way the [same redacted] was phrased I thought was subtle hint we were all town. (I could elaborate more in our PT or in Joy Ride if you like).

Varsoon 'subtly hinting' that your neighbourhood. chosen by you. was all town? that would be really unbalanced. wouldn't it? there are five of you in that.
why am i doing this. i just said i wouldn't.

i'll be back in an hour. :>
also: Almost50 is either actually town or a remarkable actor. and that isn't a joke this time.

Oh, this reminds me (TY, NC) the [reacted] was a line that said we could not be killed by "conventional methods". This -to me- meant someone had to manipulate their way to kill us (yes, I now see it meant we were BP and would only be killed by a strongman or that other modifier that makes your action resolve first, but at the time that's how I interpreted it and never looked back.)

By implication, I assumed none of us 5 was a killer, bc then they would be able to act on any member of the event normally. Stupid? Yes. Bad assumption? Sure. So SUE ME!

See I didn't think that way. I was thinking there was something not normal type kill method.

[farside22]

And I'm disbanding the alliance so Titus whole power trip BS is pretty null and void.

Yeah, how convenient! "Oh, I'm so afraid I would be NK'd, but you know what? I'm just going to defuse an irrelevant peace of $#!t by removing all my protection."

Like, how long did it take you two to plot that farce in your scum PT? I know now that you've planned your perfect distancing play well, but THIS particular stunt to sabotage the event is unspeakably MARVELOUS! *Clap clap*

My God you guys are making my head hurt. I'm torn on his claim. It sounds town, but Varsoon said scum have believable claims.

He also has two alliance powers, which should, on its own, be a scumclaim.

Why do you think two alliance powers is a scum claim?

And sorry, I have to sign off after this. It's been a long day and my head is pounding. I want to think this all over and read again in the morning.

It has never existed in the history of Varsoon games to have double powers in an alliance and have it be town. His response was to resign. Then Farside and Almost derping defend him.
The BP neighbor is to explain why Cakey should be kept alive.
The BP on himself is added to explain why scum don't shoot him.

It's really farcical.

Without the BP claim, Cakez ability sounds townish but would not be enough to save him.

D - Farside is being an arrogant and wanted to prove just how incorruptible she was that she put zero thought into her action.

Don't get me wrong, my townread has softened and she cannot live until lylo, but that doesn't mean she has to be lynched over confirmed scum.

Farside isn't presenting any logical opinion on SirCakez because she doesn't want Cakey to be scum because she's too fucking proud.

Maybe I should just day vig Shiro.
That'd make me feel better.
What do you think a50?

I don't know if you have a dayvig to begin with, but if you did I dare you to use it on OBI-WAN KENOBI instead. Wouldn't that be MUCH MUCH MORE CONVENIENT for you than to have to vote them for the rest of game starting TOMORROW???

Great, the BP might not be true...someone is counter claiming Cakey, come on...

The BP IS FARTING TRUE. It's just that I missed it. It did say we were not to be killed by conventional methods, and that isn't part of my own event's effect. That's not part of my own role either. It had to be someone else's role/effect, and I don't see counterclaims coming from either FB or farside. You can wait for the rest of your life for CD to show up and confirm it wasn't his either. Like, you're not reading at all!

A50 is as crazy as Titus.
Titus is in a death tunnel the BP thing is true, I misunderstood.

Last few comments, I don't see why fire or a50 think the BP mattered. I'd place money they have never been killed n1. don't really think there mad about that.
Titus is in an unreasonable tunnel. I haven't seen her really care what anyone says and I believe sc is town.
This game day has gotten too long to fight in my view.
I just hope if I'm right about sc Titus does pay more attention to why players voted, if she doesn't don't follow her logic.

Also I really do need players to target me, it will help.

Thanks, far

[farside22]

Skybird still want to set a pt with you for day 2.

[farside22]

Farside, stop with making this personal. You see how most everyone didn't Unvote Cakey. There is a reason why that happened. It's not because I am in a crazy unreasonable tunnel but Cakey is actually scum. Do you think that grapes, Mastina, nc, McMenno, Kraska, and myself are all in an unreasonable tunnel?

We're all processing the information in our own way. This total myopic defense of Cakey merely because I believe he is scum is why I don't trust you to listen to what I am saying. The sea of discredits plus you destroying a total limitation on scum and not making certain players BP is antitown as fuck.

Even if you think I am nuts, you have systemically ignored everyone else thinking Cakey is scum and why they say it. It gives off a "this is personal" vibe and that stings. It also suggests you are the one not listening. Almost at least realizes that he bungled his claim and is giving me time to sort through that.

I really don't like how you're attacking Almost here as well. He's made a mistake under either interpretation of honest Scum Cakey or lying scum Cakey. Being wrong and holding onto that belief until evidence contradicts it isn't crazy. This whole manta you have of attacking players sanity to discredit them when they disagree with you is ridiculous, toxic and it needs to stop Day 2.

You only care about those that agree with you.

Thank you for that proof.

I'm not even attcking A50. Not even close.
There is like a ton of difference between nc and you.
They are trying to figure players out. They are engaging with the scum read to clarify.
They are actual seeing more truth then you.
Seriously all you basically said is town need to work together but not once did you try to understand someone else's POV and think for a second there view might be right and you might be wrong.
There is a difference too.
I already think grapes is scum.

[farside22]

I know you said you need players to target you, but I don't want to target anyone who thinks I am crazy.

Well then you don't want to help the town then.

[farside22]

Farside, stop with making this personal. You see how most everyone didn't Unvote Cakey. There is a reason why that happened. It's not because I am in a crazy unreasonable tunnel but Cakey is actually scum. Do you think that grapes, Mastina, nc, McMenno, Kraska, and myself are all in an unreasonable tunnel?

We're all processing the information in our own way. This total myopic defense of Cakey merely because I believe he is scum is why I don't trust you to listen to what I am saying. The sea of discredits plus you destroying a total limitation on scum and not making certain players BP is antitown as fuck.

Even if you think I am nuts, you have systemically ignored everyone else thinking Cakey is scum and why they say it. It gives off a "this is personal" vibe and that stings. It also suggests you are the one not listening. Almost at least realizes that he bungled his claim and is giving me time to sort through that.

I really don't like how you're attacking Almost here as well. He's made a mistake under either interpretation of honest Scum Cakey or lying scum Cakey. Being wrong and holding onto that belief until evidence contradicts it isn't crazy. This whole manta you have of attacking players sanity to discredit them when they disagree with you is ridiculous, toxic and it needs to stop Day 2.

You only care about those that agree with you.

Thank you for that proof.

I'm not even attcking A50. Not even close.
There is like a ton of difference between nc and you.
They are trying to figure players out. They are engaging with the scum read to clarify.
They are actual seeing more truth then you.
Seriously all you basically said is town need to work together but

not once did you try to understand someone else's POV and think for a second there view might be right and you might be wrong.

There is a difference too.
I already think grapes is scum.

And let me guess, you never acted like the bolded this entire game, hm?

I tried multiple times to understand Titus POV.
I even explained my town read. She was the one acting like it's a power trip issue.
Not me.


Here is one for you Titus.
Why are you town reading shiro?

[farside22]

farside why am i your only scumread?

Your not.
I was responding to Titus list.

Titus you are the loudest player here pushing the lynch.

I have to work now.
Don't want to be called out for lurking just because of it.

[farside22]

people scumread NC
farside: No, he is town because I say so and I am awesome.
people scumread SC
farside: No, he is town because I say so and I am awesome.

Like, I tried to stay out of it, but I can't take it anymore.

I said more then that.

G2g

[farside22]

So you can't prove you were trying to 'understand her point of view'?

I asked her to explain things, gave my thoughts back.
It turned into a she not reading what I posted, me giving up.

[farside22]

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

Well if it means anything I'm kind of in a daze that Cakez was scum.
I actually asked the mod if this game was bastard.
I'm going to reread with this in mind and see what I can figure out.

[farside22]

@farside why do you think this game is bastard?

this is interesting. I do believe that firebringer is not "dead" yet, so to say

@rr so you believe that titus made a slip, I'm going to assume that this information has been discussed in your alliance, otherwise you wouldn't know about it

Just didn't see cakez as scum.

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

Well if it means anything I'm kind of in a daze that Cakez was scum.
I actually asked the mod if this game was bastard.
I'm going to reread with this in mind and see what I can figure out.

Ok, can you look at DGB in particular? I'm inclined to think that DGB and RR are opposing alignments or scum and scum but I'm not sure on that. So basically, I think there's at least one scum in DGB and RR.

It's ok that you're in a daze. I'd be that way too. I just want to get to the bottom of what caused our communication error and resolve it, because I tried everything I could to see what you were thinking and you just kept saying I was ignoring you. It was very frustrating.

Part of me felt like I wasn't being listened to in regards to how I was reading thing. Felt like all I was getting was ramrod with cakez scum over and over.

Anyways that's just how I felt most of day one and just got irritated.

I'll look at dgb.
I was scum reading rr just because how they narrowed reads to 2 players to make an iso on. It just read as information without analysis.

While we're chatting, what if I told you I mentioned to cakez he could be possible saved if he switched his vote to Shiro and he refused.
Would you find that odd?

[farside22]

@farside why do you think this game is bastard?

this is interesting. I do believe that firebringer is not "dead" yet, so to say

@rr so you believe that titus made a slip, I'm going to assume that this information has been discussed in your alliance, otherwise you wouldn't know about it

Just didn't see cakez as scum.

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

Well if it means anything I'm kind of in a daze that Cakez was scum.
I actually asked the mod if this game was bastard.
I'm going to reread with this in mind and see what I can figure out.

Ok, can you look at DGB in particular? I'm inclined to think that DGB and RR are opposing alignments or scum and scum but I'm not sure on that. So basically, I think there's at least one scum in DGB and RR.

It's ok that you're in a daze. I'd be that way too. I just want to get to the bottom of what caused our communication error and resolve it, because I tried everything I could to see what you were thinking and you just kept saying I was ignoring you. It was very frustrating.

Part of me felt like I wasn't being listened to in regards to how I was reading thing. Felt like all I was getting was ramrod with cakez scum over and over.

Anyways that's just how I felt most of day one and just got irritated.

I'll look at dgb.
I was scum reading rr just because how they narrowed reads to 2 players to make an iso on. It just read as information without analysis.

While we're chatting, what if I told you I mentioned to cakez he could be possible saved if he switched his vote to Shiro and he refused.
Would you find that odd?

Wtf? I isoed SC because he was the biggest wagon and the main topic of conversation. I isoed SC because kts explicitly asked for my opinion on the slot, and I wanted him involved in the game instead of troll mode.

I didn't ISO either due to an existing read I had on the slot before looking at it.

@Titus: I have no idea. Assuming mastin is implying some knowledge that fbs death was not due to the scum kill, it's possible they went after one of the conftown/probtown leaders, yourself, Yume, or mastin, and ran into protection. Or maybe they had to no kill to trigger that event, which seems to basically be a big fuck you to our PRs. No way to really know without people claiming shit that shouldn't be claimed, and even then it's unlikely we'll know.

-Cerb

So what are your current scum reads and why?

Vote: Shiro

[farside22]

I'm null town on dgb.
Don't ask why.
The short end she is hard to read but I'm probably a suckered because I like her town reads.
Also if anyone is curious Cooldog never said anything in the joy ride ot.

[farside22]

Shiro who's scum besides almost?

I have a soft scumread on McMenno but it isn;t some solid stuff. I felt his lurkish ways day 1 were off cause I remember him much more active and trollish as town.

I am still half half on RR.

Mcmenno didn't really lurk though?

And "still half half" on RR? That's not a scumread.

It is what it is as I said to him personally I am townreading cerb it just hat the few posts Drixx had rub me the wrong way, I felt Mc was lackluster yea I see now that his post count doesnt reflect it but it just felt like it to me?

Why is McMenno lackluster over others that barely posted.
Why single him out amount the lurkers?

[farside22]

I can potentially see Farside being scum tbh. To me her defence of almost was no sensical and at some point she accused me of doing stuff almost was doing.

HI miss omgus.
How are you.
I did no such thing.
Thank you for confirming that your scum by lying.

[farside22]

Shiro who's scum besides almost?

I have a soft scumread on McMenno but it isn;t some solid stuff. I felt his lurkish ways day 1 were off cause I remember him much more active and trollish as town.

I am still half half on RR.

Mcmenno didn't really lurk though?

And "still half half" on RR? That's not a scumread.

It is what it is as I said to him personally I am townreading cerb it just hat the few posts Drixx had rub me the wrong way, I felt Mc was lackluster yea I see now that his post count doesnt reflect it but it just felt like it to me?

Why is McMenno lackluster over others that barely posted.
Why single him out amount the lurkers?

Cause that how I feel about it.

How convient

[farside22]

Humour won't save you from me. That is my go to trick when scum.

Prepare to have your scum record tied mate ^_^

waiting on the account being activated.

Almost, why are you explaining yourself to one of your top scumreads? in your own words, Shiro and Creature are worse than me.
and apologies if my skimming has caused me to miss the answer, but are you ever going to explain why they're worse?

I don't even know how to explain that. I have a stronger scum read on them than I do on you currently. Like, Creature put Shiro in a 4-person scum team at one page and sheeped her on the very next page. There was nothing "in between" to merit a change of his read on her what-so-ever, and I -for one- would be VERY wary of joining my own scum read on a wagon when there's no good reason and nobody else voting (that somebody else should be a strong town read AND have provided a good case for me to follow).

You think Creature didn't see what Shiro saw? That's still bad enough. He's NOT scum hunting, but waiting for "someone else" to present a case (regardless of how good/bad that case is) to just hop on.

As for Shiro and her weak sauce of a case: I voted you as a slight scum read, sheeping two extremely strong players whom I have extremely strong town reads on. I don't see the contradiction here bc these are not mutually exclusive reasons. I did have a scum read on you, but it wasn't strong enough and I wasn't ready to present a case. We had time (and still do) so there was no need for me to just stick my vote on you and wait for something to happen. But when Mastina and Obi both decided to start that wagon I felt inclined to join it. I had no reason "not to" and I had more confidence in my read because my town reads are seeing what I see.

Shiro totally missed me questioning you and insisting to get a response. She also picked a post where I was totally sincere and serious (the one addressing Creature about the lie detector thing) and called it fake. Not even YOU (the one who was mainly suspicious of me before that) thought that it was fake, and Shiro DOES have an idea -albeit a limited one- of my play, so that was forcing a non-existent scum read with a fake reason.

Overall, both Creature and Shiro are so bad at their attempt to paint me as suspicious it already backfired. I could see someone scum reading me for the wrong reasons, but being honest and sincere about it. Not these two. They have taken over the bottom of my read list, and I'm seriously considering moving my vote from you to either of them.

I can potentially see Farside being scum tbh. To me her defence of almost was no sensical and at some point she accused me of doing stuff almost was doing.

Example is oh you caught me but I do this so yo7 are scum for calling me out on my shit.

You mean, exactly what almost has been doing from the moment I pointed out his shit ?

The moment I called him out he called me scum for it.

You still haven't answered to this btw.

I didn't do this at all.

Almost has been doing it from his very first response to me. He hasn't called me out on anything. Simply mocked and humored it.

He even tried to fit me into his scum creatures narrative by saying creature distanced from me by sheeping me.

Yea legit reasoning right there.

Oh btw, you still havent answered about this farside.

You know the thing you said I did but never did while almost has been doing it from my very first post.

I can keep quoting it

1) I was referring to the post where Shiro calls out almost for doing saying Shiro does as scum. She hasn't see if this was scum/town a50.
2) He explained himself after and Shiro ignore all of it.3) Shiro's read makes no sense if she is still scum reading A50 when I disbanned the joy ride and that sure as shit wasn't happiness from fire or a50 for what I did.
5) I think I missed it but there was a point were Shiro just talks about a50 but just subtle moves her vote to cakes and had zero interaction with him.

[farside22]

Grumbles.

I'm going to sit and stew and do some meta research

[farside22]

Grumbles.

I'm going to sit and stew and do some meta research

On who?

Shiro and a50.
I only had homestead reference for Shiro so I'll check more tomorrow morning.

[farside22]

Oooo I like mastin last post.

I actually wasn't insulted by what you said. I'm trying to work on my stubbornness. Some days I fail and some days I dont.
Day 2 was a shit Strom to get through.

Do you know snarky's meta? I tried to talk with fire about this because he modded a game with snarky scum and I pointed out his start here was strikely similar to here.

[farside22]

Oooo I like mastin last post.

I actually wasn't insulted by what you said. I'm trying to work on my stubbornness. Some days I fail and some days I dont.
Day 1 was a shit Strom to get through.

Do you know snarky's meta? I tried to talk with fire about this because he modded a game with snarky scum and I pointed out his start here was strikely similar to here.

Fixed.

[farside22]

@Mastin - You have played with Cerberus before right? I'm just checking because you're saying something he does

all the time

was fake. And the underlying implications to that don't make sense.

And for the idiot ball comments: Idiot Ball = literary device. It refers to when an otherwise very intelligent character makes an absurd mistake. It's kind of like a deus ex machina, and it fits in really when people aren't engaging their brains.

@Grapes - Farside, Foxbird, DGB, Grapes, KC are the people I am looking at for scum at the moment.


Farside - Super anti-town play yesterday with what she did. If you think about the implications of it and how it could have been leveraged for maximum utility, her blowing up that event was the most anti-town thing I've ever seen on the site.
Foxbird - Read the ISO. Self-explanatory.
DGB - The whole Traitor thing. Makes zero sense. DGB also moved us to firm town late yesterday but then just voted us today. Back to the traitor thing: what would make DGB think there's a traitor unless she is one? It's not a thing I remember Varsoon using before and I don't see anything in the info we have to suggest one is present. Only way DGB is town is if it was a reaction test, but if that's the case, why isn't DGB engage din the main thread doing things like that?
KC - Something was off about the response to the DGB thing. If I were KC, there's no way someone could claim to be a scum to me and live. KC barely pushed it. That isn't a town response, imo.
You - Gut. You're too smart to actually think we're scum and you are also too smart to join in on an ego push, yet you seem to be doing both.

~Drixx

Vote: rr

[farside22]

Nope

[farside22]

So I'm going to suggest nicely to get your alliances in order.
Skybird, you and me again, ok.

Also the event thing that came about some people should not use there ability.
I'll offer if skybird is okay doing it too.

[farside22]

Nope

Your naked vote after I pointed out your terrible behavior yesterday suggests otherwise.

You DO realize how absurdly stupid and scummy that was right? I don't buy the temper tantrum angle. Much more likely you did it intentionally. It robbed people of protection, and potentially unchained people. Funny how you did that and then we have this event happening that is super bad for us. I'm

SURE

the two couldn't possibly be related though, amirite?

Should I bother mentioning that Cakez was scum and in the joy ride or does that fact just kind of get missed?
Or should I bother mentioning it's the only reason you put as a scum read on me.
Let me know which one sounds more scummy to you.

[farside22]

I'll have to ask some questions to the mod first, farside

and get some sleep too... it's almost 3am after all

That's fine I'll give that notice and have it take effect 12 est.

[farside22]

@Mastina, Do you believe that there's other hidden protectives?

I'd rather lynch Klingon but I'm not like 100%. I'm in a wierd position where scum should be voting RR if he's town but I'm not really scumreading anyone on his wagon. Farside's the closest and she's just needs to die by lylo.

@RR, Your whole suggestion of scum didn't kill Firebringer seems like a scum one.

Ill die way before that. Don't you worry.

[farside22]

Nope

Your naked vote after I pointed out your terrible behavior yesterday suggests otherwise.

You DO realize how absurdly stupid and scummy that was right? I don't buy the temper tantrum angle. Much more likely you did it intentionally. It robbed people of protection, and potentially unchained people. Funny how you did that and then we have this event happening that is super bad for us. I'm

SURE

the two couldn't possibly be related though, amirite?

Should I bother mentioning that Cakez was scum and in the joy ride or does that fact just kind of get missed?
Or should I bother mentioning it's the only reason you put as a scum read on me.
Let me know which one sounds more scummy to you.

You acted with the belief that Cakey was town though allegedly. His scumflip is irrelevant to the determination of whether your play was protown.

He's paired sc and myself as scum together.
My action makes no sense in that regards.

Don't you dare defend the dude either.

[farside22]

Nope

Your naked vote after I pointed out your terrible behavior yesterday suggests otherwise.

You DO realize how absurdly stupid and scummy that was right? I don't buy the temper tantrum angle. Much more likely you did it intentionally. It robbed people of protection, and potentially unchained people. Funny how you did that and then we have this event happening that is super bad for us. I'm

SURE

the two couldn't possibly be related though, amirite?

Should I bother mentioning that Cakez was scum and in the joy ride or does that fact just kind of get missed?
Or should I bother mentioning it's the only reason you put as a scum read on me.
Let me know which one sounds more scummy to you.

You acted with the belief that Cakey was town though allegedly. His scumflip is irrelevant to the determination of whether your play was protown.

He's paired sc and myself as scum together.
My action makes no sense in that regards.

Don't you dare defend the dude either.

Because scum distance from other scum who are about to die. You guys put on a freaking 3 act play in the thread with that drama. Neither of you are the ones who triggered the joy ride, so unless you just slipped and told us that you, SC,

AND

A50 are all scum together and used the joyride to try and get some townies on your side for vote power ... why would we have any reason to believe there wouldn't be two scum (or more) in the joyride?

There isn't any reason to make that assumption. A50 chose that group. And YOU blew it up and you and SC made a big show about it in the thread.

Then he flipped scum.

Checkmate.

~D

I thought A50 chose the members of the joyride?

So I'm going to suggest nicely to get your alliances in order.
Skybird, you and me again, ok.

Also the event thing that came about some people should not use there ability.
I'll offer if skybird is okay doing it too.

This is scum trying to ram our lynch through before we can trigger our beach-a-palooza event. The Beach-a-palooza involves a vote for who wins and obviously Mastin will win and if Mastin clears us (or uses other rewards or whatever), that is bad. Anyone who has seen us in stride knows why scum would do anything to get rid of us. The day hasn't even been open for a single RL day and it's time to do alliances and shove a lynch through really fast before anyone can think about it?

Yeah ... that's totes a town approach to the game.

~D

Someone is desperate.
I actually forgot who triggered the joy ride.
I think it's funny that RR is basically using one part of a huge game to call it an act. There was a group, we asked questioned and interacted, why aren't you asking A50 anything......oh that's right because confirming what was said in alliance would make your case weak.

Oh I'm just giving people a heads up, would you like me to use my vote ability now?
I can if you want me to?

[farside22]

Do you know snarky's meta? I tried to talk with fire about this because he modded a game with snarky scum and I pointed out his start here was strikely similar to here.

Not well enough. I know he's a low-content, borderline-VI poster alignment-regardless. I do have methods of reading players like him, and I'm probably one of the better players at doing just that, it's just that it's far from an exact science. There's lots of guesswork involved. SnarkySnowman's a solid null right now. Could be town, could be scum. What I've seen has me guessing at town, but I wouldn't know for sure until later. I'm good, but not perfect.

Fair enough.

I feel like hammering home how bad RR is being, but then I realized I really don't have to.

Carry on.

[farside22]

I'll have to ask some questions to the mod first, farside

and get some sleep too... it's almost 3am after all

That's fine I'll give that notice and have it take effect 12 est.

So I'm going to suggest nicely to get your alliances in order.
Skybird, you and me again, ok.

Also the event thing that came about some people should not use there ability.
I'll offer if skybird is okay doing it too.

By the way this is serious.
I rarely do the gambit thing.

[farside22]

Farside - Super anti-town play yesterday with what she did. If you think about the implications of it and how it could have been leveraged for maximum utility, her blowing up that event was the most anti-town thing I've ever seen on the site.
Foxbird - Read the ISO. Self-explanatory.
DGB - The whole Traitor thing. Makes zero sense. DGB also moved us to firm town late yesterday but then just voted us today. Back to the traitor thing: what would make DGB think there's a traitor unless she is one? It's not a thing I remember Varsoon using before and I don't see anything in the info we have to suggest one is present. Only way DGB is town is if it was a reaction test, but if that's the case, why isn't DGB engage din the main thread doing things like that?
KC - Something was off about the response to the DGB thing. If I were KC, there's no way someone could claim to be a scum to me and live. KC barely pushed it. That isn't a town response, imo.
You - Gut. You're too smart to actually think we're scum and you are also too smart to join in on an ego push, yet you seem to be doing both.

1) You missed the part where you're suppose to explain the scum motive
2) I'm reading the iso. Need this one explained to me.
3) Is DGB one of your buddies?
4) Decent point there on klingon, though.
5) What the heck is an ego push?

1.) Scum motive is distancing from a doomed scum buddy. I thought that was obvious and self-evident. I'm glad it wasn't though, because Farside appears to have scum slipped.
2.) Show me anything at all in there that's town. (To be fair, there's probably more ISOs like that, but I haven't ISOd the whole game yet; please see my earlier post about Stage 2 Decubitus Ulcer plus a night in jail)
3.) We're not masons.
4.) I know.
5.) Mastin hasn't given any reason to scum read us. Me grilling Firebringer trying to figure out why he was behaving unusual is not scummy. Me quoting her pointing out that she also got a scum ping off of him earlier is not scummy. In fact, it reinforces the fact that it wasn't just me who saw something off about him. As far as I can see, the whole push is Ego based. I mean ... look at yesterday. Cerberus put in a shit load of work to make a solid case against SC, which SC responded poorly to. Then Mastin made a super generalized post a couple pages later and tried to position herself to get credit after Cerb made it clear SC was probably scum. I mean ... to be fair to Mastin, she

did

have SC in her scum pool really early on ... but she never put the work in. She did want the credit though. And if you review the mid-late part of day one you'll see that some people thought her "case" was posted before Cerb put up his analysis. That's how much sway Mastin has over some people ... they will believe things happened in opposite order than they really do.

~D

I know self meta is like a no no, but you should really read my scum games. Because that is not in the realm of something I do.
Heck, ask mastin if you want. I bet she has seen what I do.

[farside22]

@all

- We're literally a few hours into the day phase and Farside is claiming to be unilaterally deciding to end the day. This coming right as I point out what might be a slip by her, and she's in a gigantic hurry to get us dead and the day over, despite a pretty huge elephant in the room that needs to be discussed.

Her push to try and get us dead and the day over is ridiculously over the top scummy. We give out an investigate in a game where there are not likely to be many others (if any). That is something that will be voted on and there's two obvious conftowns so if we live, that hurts scum. Furthermore, there's a scum event that got triggered. Go look at the start of day post and think. What would happen if the day suddenly ends super fast and alliances aren't worked out and no discussion goes on about how to try and blunt the scum event that was announced?

Only scum want this day to end fast.

~D

Well I plan on vig shooting you by that time, but it ends the day.
So you can try to explain why I didn't do that day 1 are you die at noon and I don't care.

And after day 1 shit Strom I think most players might be happy for a short day.

[farside22]

@Farside/Almost, I do hope you stick around. I'm sorry that I wasn't clearer or that we didn't have effective communication yesterday. If you could give me feedback on how to get reasons from you to see where things went wrong, that'd be great. Same with you Almost. I respect you both and think you both are town.

I .. have no excuse for being a fool. 4th time Scum!SC tricks me. That said, I now have no clear reads AT ALL. Most of my reads were centered around the idea Cakez was TOWN. Of course, those who kept pushing him despite resistance are now as good as confirmed town to me, but I'm talking about others (i.e. the Majority of players).

I think I'll just shut up and just sheep you and Mastina. Just tell me where to vote and I'll do it.

You see. This is the last thing I want. I want to be fought on my scumreads. I want to have them tested. That's how I verify them. Scum can easily hide in sheeping conftown.

Go out and find me scum. That's what I want. Even if we wind up disagreeing, I'm not going to automatically scumread you for it.

When my reads are untested, that removes a failure mechanicsm, particularly if there's some fact I don't know.

I still think Shiro and snarky are scum.
Cooldog and RR.

That's pretty much were I'm at.

[farside22]

@Farside, Please don't end the day if you can.

I want to hear from DGB why we have no alliance. I need to get in sync with Beeboy. I also need to do the reread I promised Shiro.

Fine.
I'll be nice because I was an ass day 1.
How much time you want?

[farside22]

Because scum distance from other scum who are about to die.

Gee, I wonder what I've been calling your posts in regards to SirCakez?

So your theory is that we first put in a bunch of effort to make a case and convince people to lynch SC, but then we wanted to distance from that? What the hell?

@all

- We're literally a few hours into the day phase and Farside is claiming to be unilaterally deciding to end the day. This coming right as I point out what might be a slip by her, and she's in a gigantic hurry to get us dead and the day over, despite a pretty huge elephant in the room that needs to be discussed.

Her push to try and get us dead and the day over is ridiculously over the top scummy. We give out an investigate in a game where there are not likely to be many others (if any). That is something that will be voted on and there's two obvious conftowns so if we live, that hurts scum. Furthermore, there's a scum event that got triggered. Go look at the start of day post and think. What would happen if the day suddenly ends super fast and alliances aren't worked out and no discussion goes on about how to try and blunt the scum event that was announced?

Only scum want this day to end fast.

~D

Well I plan on vig shooting you by that time, but it ends the day.
So you can try to explain why I didn't do that day 1 are you die at noon and I don't care.

And after day 1 shit Strom I think most players might be happy for a short day.

You basically just scum claimed.


~D

@Farside, Please don't end the day if you can.

I want to hear from DGB why we have no alliance. I need to get in sync with Beeboy. I also need to do the reread I promised Shiro.

Fine.
I'll be nice because I was an ass day 1.
How much time you want?

At least enough time to do the things I highlighted above.

Fine.

[farside22]

@Farside, Please don't end the day if you can.

I want to hear from DGB why we have no alliance. I need to get in sync with Beeboy. I also need to do the reread I promised Shiro.

Fine.
I'll be nice because I was an ass day 1.
How much time you want?

If you're town, I want you to go read the day opening post until you understand what is written there. Then I want you to walk away from the game and come back and look at things logically. We're not scum and if you Vig us, you will be wasting the shot as well as depriving us of our event, which there is finally enough stress for us to trigger.

If you're scum, then everything you've done (especially trying to rush the day and avoid letting us put together a plan to respond to the scum event) makes perfect sense.

Use your head, not your emotions.

~D

Why haven't you triggered your event?

[farside22]

@Farside, Please don't end the day if you can.

I want to hear from DGB why we have no alliance. I need to get in sync with Beeboy. I also need to do the reread I promised Shiro.

Fine.
I'll be nice because I was an ass day 1.
How much time you want?

If you're town, I want you to go read the day opening post until you understand what is written there. Then I want you to walk away from the game and come back and look at things logically. We're not scum and if you Vig us, you will be wasting the shot as well as depriving us of our event, which there is finally enough stress for us to trigger.

If you're scum, then everything you've done (especially trying to rush the day and avoid letting us put together a plan to respond to the scum event) makes perfect sense.

Use your head, not your emotions.

~D

Why haven't you triggered your event?

Because we're TOWN and our event requires STRESS +1 or higher. We couldn't trigger it last night.

[farside22]

The question is why did you bother making a case on obvscum?

I didn't go in planning to make a case. I wanted to understand if the wagon made sense, and if I could see what people were seeing. By the time I got to the end of the ISO, it all looked pretty bad, and had a lot of reasons for thinking he was scum that other's hadn't even mentioned yet..so it ended up being a case.

-Cerb

Pedit: it requires that stress be +1, and may only be triggered at night, for resolution during the day. We thought we could trigger it last night, amd it would only resolve if stress was +1, but varsoon told is it could only be triggered if stress was +1 or greater at the time it was triggered.

Sorry this was the shifty one.

[farside22]

Only scum want this day to end fast.

Well, being fully honest: it would in fact be better for the day to be longer.
But to be blunt: I don't care.
We could end this day literally right now, or a week from now, wouldn't make much of a difference to me.

I suspect those already on the wagon share a similar mentality.

And here's what I have to say about your 'case' on farside: it is one of the most desperate, reachy things I have ever read. It is something which I simply don't see you producing if you're town. You're maybe a little less logical than Cerb, this is true. But you're not this shitty in making a point. The idea that farside scumslipped is an absolute, utter, complete and total JOKE, and you'd know it if you were actually town.

Reachy
Using only the end of day to build a case on.
Avoiding questions and then there is the reach out based on me claiming vig.
Classic scum

[farside22]

@Mastina, I'm actually scumreading both Farside AND RR right now based off this interaction.

@Mastina, I'm actually scumreading both Farside AND RR right now based off this interaction.

Had that thought too don't worry you're not insane.

You both look nuts to me.

[farside22]

Meh whatever I'll just go lurk now.

[farside22]

Meh whatever I'll just go lurk now.

Yea this isn't the reaction I was looking for.

What happened to you scumreading me?

Sir cakez flip changed that.

[farside22]

A50: my slot is being voted because people are filled with the recklessness of success, and are therefore unwilling to think.

-Cerb

Pedit:farside, what part of that was shifty versus what drixx wrote? I gave you more detailsx and the only thing I can imagine you feel is bad about is is the fact that we thought we could trigger it last night and then found out we couldn't.

Our event has a limitation of only occurring after Episode 1. We asked Varsoon if that meant we could trigger our event on N1, for resolution during D2, and he said yes. This made me think the stress level was checked upon resolution, NOT triggering. He clarified when we tried to trigger it last night, in case stress rose enough over the night for it to resolve today.

Peditx2: what questions are we avoiding farside?

So far events have been triggered during the day, not at night.
That's why I am shifty about your clsim.
I asked you about doing my vig shot, which I said something about it day 2, why wouldn't I use it day 1 when cakez was sure to be lynched?
Your the player talking about a scum show that day.

[farside22]

Day 1, not day 2

[farside22]

A50: my slot is being voted because people are filled with the recklessness of success, and are therefore unwilling to think.

-Cerb

Pedit:farside, what part of that was shifty versus what drixx wrote? I gave you more detailsx and the only thing I can imagine you feel is bad about is is the fact that we thought we could trigger it last night and then found out we couldn't.

Our event has a limitation of only occurring after Episode 1. We asked Varsoon if that meant we could trigger our event on N1, for resolution during D2, and he said yes. This made me think the stress level was checked upon resolution, NOT triggering. He clarified when we tried to trigger it last night, in case stress rose enough over the night for it to resolve today.

Peditx2: what questions are we avoiding farside?

So far events have been triggered during the day, not at night.
That's why I am shifty about your clsim.
I asked you about doing my vig shot, which I said something about it day 2, why wouldn't I use it day 1 when cakez was sure to be lynched?
Your the player talking about a scum show that day.

I have an event that triggers at night.

Varsoona said that scumclaims will be good claims though. So having scum only have night events makes zero sense Farside.

I just figured he was lying about having the event.

[farside22]

Your being dumb on purpose.

[farside22]

Why wouldn't I use the vig ability on day one rr?

[farside22]

Mastin, you're wrong.

I don't care about the mechanical discussion. I care about the fact that discussions about evaluating and/or reevaluating our play yesterday, NOT TODAY (which has obviously been WHOLLY focused on defending ourselves, because I got drawn in and used up all the energy I would have spent doing something productive ) have all been stonewalled.

That's what I mean when I say there's no attempt being made to think.

-Cerb

This isn't happening.

What i mean is your not doing that at all.
What you've done is implode the game with how important your role is, who everyone should pay attention to the event and gave weak reason's for scum reads you have.
I even notice nc asked for you to explain more about grapes and you just avoid that.

[farside22]

Shiro notes:
Replacement http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go town
Very absent minded and carefree
Homestead http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Mostly just town reads, lots of fluff post and few scum reads. No cases noted ever really made.
DotA mafia. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go Town still no case, fluff and just giving general reads.

Symphonic mafia http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go scum, more aggressive type and making a case for pretty bad reason to. Comes across as more of a jerk to.
Everything is a lie http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go 3rd party lots of prod dodges and just one weak push.

Every a lie 1 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go town same thing of giving out town reads. No cases and fun fluff.

Scum game http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Aggressive and weak cases is what I noted.

So basically town Shiro fluff with very little pushes, scum Shiro more aggressive.

I'm pretty happy with my scum read on the spot.

[farside22]

Hey I can make strong pushes as town, it just happens less often cause I tend to feel less confident. Yea, tis true that I am more agressice as scum because I know what I am doing and I tend to have a set plan in mind but I do make pushes when I feel confident on a read and I feel confident that Almost is scum.

I didn't even play in magical girl btw so why even use that game xD Really hurts that a lot of my recent games are all hydra games, Heck this was going to be a hydra game as well but

It was the first game I ran across when searching.

I don't use hydra game because it's not as clear cut.
Your case on A50 sucks.

By the way
Beetlejuice

[farside22]

Mastin, you're wrong.

I don't care about the mechanical discussion. I care about the fact that discussions about evaluating and/or reevaluating our play yesterday, NOT TODAY (which has obviously been WHOLLY focused on defending ourselves, because I got drawn in and used up all the energy I would have spent doing something productive ) have all been stonewalled.

That's what I mean when I say there's no attempt being made to think.

-Cerb

This isn't happening.

What i mean is your not doing that at all.
What you've done is implode the game with how important your role is, who everyone should pay attention to the event and gave weak reason's for scum reads you have.
I even notice nc asked for you to explain more about grapes and you just avoid that.

This is also wrong.

We have repeatedly reminded people of aspects of our play which make us as scum nearly impossible. One major aspect of that is our interactions with regards to the SC wagon, and the other (which the majority of the game did not know the details about, and which thus had to be shared) was related to how we handled our role. At the time we decided to divulge our full information regarding our event to OWK mastin was known to be conftown, Yume was known to be sheeping her, you had displayed a great degree of doubt about us, and OWK would, by virtue of paranoia regarding our play with one another in the past, no doubt investigate us if given the opportunity. As scum, it would be suicidal to place oneself in a position where you can guarantee that you'll be checked by a cop that is viewed as conftown. It *might* make sense if we were a godfather, but even then the point of the ability is a selection from multiple options, all of which are bad for scum for different reasons. It would have been effortless for us to claim that the event had a different priority, or different stress limitations, which could have both been used to give scum!us the maximum town benefit of claiming this power without ever actually having to USE the power. Instead, we claimed that it was priority 0, only took +1 stress, AND that we'd be attempting to use it EVERY NIGHT so it would happen ASAP.

The stupidity on our part that would be required for us to engage in that sequence of events is why we keep bringing up the mechanical aspect, beyond the pragmatic factor of it being optimal to take a free cop clear and then lynch us that day if you're paranoid about the accuracy or your results, or cLear us thst night if you're not and give scum an additional conftown to have to deal with.

It isn't the event itself that makes us town. It's the fact that it makes no sense to have backed ourselves into a corner like this regarding it's usage.

Regarding the grapes thing: Answering NCs question required effort. Last night I simply didn't feel like looking at grapes ISO and pointing out the posts where he seems to be thinking things through but in a fashion which dismisses, ignores, or trivializes details which are significant.

You're right that all reasons for reads at this point are weak, but the reasons for scumreading us displayed here are FAR weaker, based on the knowledge of our play the main proponents should have and the actions we've taken, than anything we've said today. I hold that our reasons(and everyone else's) are weak because everything is fundamentally based off day 1 play alone, and thus all reasons are weak.

This comes back to the lack of rigor in investigating and verifying ones own suspicions while demanding greater degrees of justification from those who disagree with you that I made fun of grapes for.

McMenno: please read the above. Drixx has not suggested mastin is not town. Drixx has outlined the existence of a scenario in which mastin would not be town, and dismissed it as nearly impossible(thus the 99% thing). This is a far cry from saying "idk guys, this mastin Yume conftown mason thing is kinda shady and means they might both be scum.", which is what you're implying when you say Drixx has suggested that Mastin might be scum. Please learn to read our posts properly before you attempt to interpret them.

In addition, since you dismissed my absolutely correct point that people are reckless in mafia in the wake of success, let me expand on it: had SC flipped town, those who had disagreed would be haranguing those who pushed it and demanded that they reasses, while becoming more certain of their own reads accuracy. In addition, because there would have been no sense of "getting ahead" ,EVERYONE would have been more cautious voting out of fear of a consecutive mislynch and spent a great deal of time looking at interactions yesterday to determine who to "blame" for the mislynch. However, because SC flipped scum, those who were pushing him (which were the most forceful players in the game ) were emboldened and now assume all their reads are correct, and those who disagree with them are taking the time to reassess.

This means that those who were voting yesterday automatically voted us at the start of today, while those who have differing opinions are being more cautious and NOT voting for things....therefore leading us to this situation where only a few hours after the day opened NOTHING had been discussed but our slot, and nobody was voting anywhere else.

It's reckless and thoughtless. If we end up mislynched here with this approach to the game town will be going into D3 with a late D1 grasp of the game.

I predict that almost no one will bother reading this, and those who do, excepting OWK, will quote at most two things out of context to use against us.

I'll look at NC and grapes sometime today when I'm not feeling lazy.

-Cerb

Sorry I missed the part where you discuss how you scum make no sense.

Let me hold back my lack of enthusiasm

To be clear, I will be using the mark to directly show what happened due to an Event from now on.
If something doesn't have that mark, then it happened due to other actions taken.
I'm going to go back and edit the previous phase's event to be this way.

great modding

[There's literally someone who is declaring intent to unilaterally END the day after less than 24 hours, and I'm practically begging people to work on the big problem coming for the finale.

And the thing is.
While I acknowledge that this scum event is indeed a threat.
While I acknowledge that a scum event like this is something ideally dealt with.

It's still mechanics.
And I know what Varsoon thinks about game mechanics, because I know what (almost) every moderator thinks of mechanics, him included:
They're meant to enhance the play of the game.

Not replace it.

What you're doing is an appeal to fear. "Ooh, this big scary mechanics thing is a huge threat". No doubt it is indeed a threat.
But you're missing the picture.
It's still not scumhunting.
It's not the part of the game, which is actually a fundamental part of the game.

So that's why you got so many votes.
Mechanics aren't at the center of this game. Scumhunting is. And they are scumhunting you.
Any time we spend on mechanics is extra, is time we spend using the extras we've been given, to counter the extras scum were given.
It's a luxury, not a necessity. One day, ten days, makes no difference.

Holy shit this is so fucking stupid. Mastin how do you even confbias this hard. You are literally refusing to acknowledge anything RR is saying as right.
VOTE: farside
I will follow RR to the death.

pssst

RR is not voting me.

but, but but I'm feeling a bit frisky here and something interesting is catching my attention with this hard wking.

vote: Shiro

[farside22]

Cerb,

I think your comments against the general approach are misplaced. If approaching this thread by the scientific theory, it's guess and check. Then correct. That explains the pattern you see. It's frustrating and from your PoV incorrect but still a valid strategy but it isn't yours.

I am more pragmatic than most. Even if you're scum (assuming Mastina correct), there is low long term ev in forcing you to be lynched today. I just don't see why we wouldn't trigger your ability first. You can't refuse to use your ability without confirming yourself as scum. Then we get confirmation of whether you are town or scum plus reads to work from. I don't happen to think you are scum maybe, so I guess null.

Why don't you case your biggest scumread? Start to now?

~Titus

I have 10:30am.
You want me to hold off on the end of day still?

[farside22]

VOTE: Farside

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

Because I'm not scum.

[farside22]

VOTE: Farside

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

Because I'm not scum.

Why?

Because the mod gave me a town PM.
I asked him when I pre/in if I could be town, I hate being scum these days.

[farside22]

Why you wking scum shiro?

[farside22]

Why you wking scum shiro?

@Obi head that is probably beeboy

[farside22]

Cerb,

I think your comments against the general approach are misplaced. If approaching this thread by the scientific theory, it's guess and check. Then correct. That explains the pattern you see. It's frustrating and from your PoV incorrect but still a valid strategy but it isn't yours.

I am more pragmatic than most. Even if you're scum (assuming Mastina correct), there is low long term ev in forcing you to be lynched today. I just don't see why we wouldn't trigger your ability first. You can't refuse to use your ability without confirming yourself as scum. Then we get confirmation of whether you are town or scum plus reads to work from. I don't happen to think you are scum maybe, so I guess null.

Why don't you case your biggest scumread? Start to now?

~Titus

I will eventually, but right now I see no personal benefit to dumping my weekend into this game. I know it's optimal to maximize the information we share and our obligation to prevent at mislynch, but right this moment, I don't care about winning at all. I care about enjoying myself, and playing mafia isn't the most enjoyable way to spend my time. If town wants to rush a lynch they can. If they care about what I have to say then they'll hear it.

Right now, only you, NC, and now Random have responded to our posts in a non-dismissive fashion, but the 8 people still voting us are unmoved, and one of them has a vig pointed at our heads. It's incredibly implausible that we don't end up dead today, so I'm not going to drop everything to help people who are being stubborn. I'll do it in my own time, wagon and vig be damned. It'll happen sooner rather than later most likely, but it won't delay a single iota of possible enjoyment from the rest of my life.

-Cerb

I moved my vote.
Just an fyi

[farside22]

VOTE: Farside

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

Because I'm not scum.

Why?

Because the mod gave me a town PM.
I asked him when I pre/in if I could be town, I hate being scum these days.

You had Cakey as a scum read. When momentum shifted to lynch Cakey, you had a mysterious townread based on what he said. Yet, you haven't divulged any of it, or looked at how Cakey manipulated you.

You can't lynch farside because she will just shoot someone and end the day. Optimal play to do so regardless of her alignment.

-Cerb

Pedit: yes, moved your vote while still posturing about shooting us and ending the day. For some reason that doesn't fill me with relief.

Also, your response to my wall was incredibly apathetic and lazy. What part of what I said was untrue?

Ooh this sounds like a challenge. Forcing scum to act irrationally and hastily isn't a bad idea. If Farside is indeed scum, we want that ability used sooner, rather than later. It definitely cannot be around in lylo.

1) I explained it, you never read it.
2) I plan on using it today, so no need to worry your head about it.

[farside22]

For the record, I'm having trouble reconciling the idea of farside as scum with her having a gun that ALSO costs town a lynch. Unless the ability has some other cost associated with it (most likely loss of a NK or something like that), I can only see that being a balanced tool to give to scum in the presence of 1) a number of traditional day vigs, or 2) day role blockers/neutralizes of some sort.

But even then...if Farside22 didn't claim that, how would anyone know to stop her? Hell, farside, is your vig publicly activated or privately activated?

-Cerb

I can do it public or private. I chose to tell people about it and really didn't have to.

[farside22]

You can't lynch farside because she will just shoot someone and end the day. Optimal play to do so regardless of her alignment.

-Cerb

Pedit: yes, moved your vote while still posturing about shooting us and ending the day. For some reason that doesn't fill me with relief.

Also, your response to my wall was incredibly apathetic and lazy. What part of what I said was untrue?

Sorry but I'm still trying to understand your scum read on players so don't mind me while I skim your post waiting for that.

[farside22]

I like meta arguments.

VOTE: Shiro

I did a brief reread of a50's ISO last night. I still don't know where you get A50 as scum beyond ardent defense of scum and that looks more like denial.

Meta reads are garbage.

VOTE: Creature

Let's see what happens.

Holy shit this is so fucking stupid. Mastin how do you even confbias this hard. You are literally refusing to acknowledge anything RR is saying as right.
VOTE: farside
I will follow RR to the death.

VOTE: Farside

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

stop making bad votes please

Nah, shiro is scum here.
I'm giving milk and cookies to more votes on her if need be.

[farside22]

For the record, I'm having trouble reconciling the idea of farside as scum with her having a gun that ALSO costs town a lynch. Unless the ability has some other cost associated with it (most likely loss of a NK or something like that), I can only see that being a balanced tool to give to scum in the presence of 1) a number of traditional day vigs, or 2) day role blockers/neutralizes of some sort.

But even then...if Farside22 didn't claim that, how would anyone know to stop her? Hell, farside, is your vig publicly activated or privately activated?

-Cerb

I can do it public or private. I chose to tell people about it and really didn't have to.

Yeah. This can't really be scum. I just don't see how to make it work mechanically. Lurk, keep quiet about it, then town just loses because their last lynch is stolen from them.

-Cerb

Pedit: oh, so your problem is that you only care about the reasoning behind my reads, and nothing else I say or have done previously is significant to you?

I'm more interested in your reads. Sorry that's just how I am.

Where is the post that I missed allegedly Farside?

No, you go back and look beeboy. I did quote after fucking quote day 1 of things you didn't read correctly.
Do your own work.

[farside22]

For the record, I'm having trouble reconciling the idea of farside as scum with her having a gun that ALSO costs town a lynch. Unless the ability has some other cost associated with it (most likely loss of a NK or something like that), I can only see that being a balanced tool to give to scum in the presence of 1) a number of traditional day vigs, or 2) day role blockers/neutralizes of some sort.

But even then...if Farside22 didn't claim that, how would anyone know to stop her? Hell, farside, is your vig publicly activated or privately activated?

-Cerb

I can do it public or private. I chose to tell people about it and really didn't have to.

Yeah. This can't really be scum. I just don't see how to make it work mechanically. Lurk, keep quiet about it, then town just loses because their last lynch is stolen from them.

-Cerb

Pedit: oh, so your problem is that you only care about the reasoning behind my reads, and nothing else I say or have done previously is significant to you?

But if they have conftown they cannot kill in lylo?

Big red X.

I can use my ability at any time there.
Sorry.

[farside22]

That's fine, but don't launch attacks at me based on things you don't care about and make me waste my time telling you why you're wrong. Thanks.

-Cerb

Pedit: why wouldn't they be able to use it to kill conftown in lylo? I mean, a lylo gate would be reasonable, but seriously, the power is absurd in scum hands. It's like a scum gladiate without any of the risk inherent in that.

I didn't ask you to do anything.

I'm just going to go back to lurking at this point.

[farside22]

HINT: Maybe it had to do with the joyride and him being town amids scum. Just a thought you guys. Just a thought. Almost did say there would be an event at night from it.

almost did say he wanted somethign to succeed from there and next day the universal townread member of it disappears

Every single post I read from you makes me want to strangle you not with a rope, but with barbed wire.

1- Joy Ride was DISSOLVED before the day ended, and thus there was NO night event resulting from it.

2- FARSIDE dissolved Joy Ride, not FB.

3- If I was scum with Far, she wouldn't have dissolved my event, would she? You would think scum would have the decency to pre-plan together before they triggered an event. You'd also think they'd convene and pick the members of their own event.

4- IF the event was handpicked by scum, and it had an effect on some town player who would have to be on it for the effect to take place, you would think scum would go for some STRONG town player. Someone who would be a threat to the scum team regardless. FB only revealed his role during the Exposition phase (i.e. after the event was already on). You'd think Mastina, Obi or even RR would've been picked in there for the kill (since that's what you're implying it did).

5- The name of the event ALONE should make it clear it's a TOWN event.

6- If you missed that, the event had NO EFFECT on the stress level. Scum event tend to up the stress level.

7- You're whole argument (and -in fact- every other argument you make) is so dumb I have nothing to respond to. I only use sarcasm and humour to avoid outright calling you a shrimp.

8- The only think keeping me from voting you now and picking up on my tunnel from yesterday is the lack of confidence in all my reads from before as a result of the SC flip. I'm working on it though, and I think that I WILL end up voting you again and again and again until you're gone.

9- Being stupid is a privilege. Some just abuse it.

While you are around, why did you pick Cooldog to join the joy ride?

[farside22]

farside if you are so certain shoot me.


@Almost

I was an idiot, I did a 180, you are town

Don't worry sweetie I will be.

[farside22]

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

Well if it means anything I'm kind of in a daze that Cakez was scum.
I actually asked the mod if this game was bastard.
I'm going to reread with this in mind and see what I can figure out.

@farside why do you think this game is bastard?

this is interesting. I do believe that firebringer is not "dead" yet, so to say

@rr so you believe that titus made a slip, I'm going to assume that this information has been discussed in your alliance, otherwise you wouldn't know about it

Just didn't see cakez as scum.

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

Well if it means anything I'm kind of in a daze that Cakez was scum.
I actually asked the mod if this game was bastard.
I'm going to reread with this in mind and see what I can figure out.

Ok, can you look at DGB in particular? I'm inclined to think that DGB and RR are opposing alignments or scum and scum but I'm not sure on that. So basically, I think there's at least one scum in DGB and RR.

It's ok that you're in a daze. I'd be that way too. I just want to get to the bottom of what caused our communication error and resolve it, because I tried everything I could to see what you were thinking and you just kept saying I was ignoring you. It was very frustrating.

Part of me felt like I wasn't being listened to in regards to how I was reading thing. Felt like all I was getting was ramrod with cakez scum over and over.

Anyways that's just how I felt most of day one and just got irritated.

I'll look at dgb.
I was scum reading rr just because how they narrowed reads to 2 players to make an iso on. It just read as information without analysis.

While we're chatting, what if I told you I mentioned to cakez he could be possible saved if he switched his vote to Shiro and he refused.
Would you find that odd?

This is the closest thing I found.

What did Cakey want when not scumread?
What did he say that was so town looking?
What were his thoughts on NC versus RR?
Did you consider Cakey was just a known deadman when you tried to save him?

You just took 2 post I made from day 2.
I'm not going to go over something I posted already for you to keep ignoring Beeboy.

As for the last 2 questions, Cazkez said he was town reading NC. He had a scum read on RR but he said that titus was basically wking him to get him to respond for himself.
I don't know if cakey thought he was a dead man. I just told him to switch his vote. He refused and I told him it was his funeral. I then proceeded to get the joy ride disbanded. I did that for a good reason that has to do with what I can do.

[farside22]

farside if you are so certain shoot me.


@Almost

I was an idiot, I did a 180, you are town

Don't worry sweetie I will be.

Do it, you are the one who will be making a fool of themselves.

*fakes shaking in boots*

[farside22]

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

Well if it means anything I'm kind of in a daze that Cakez was scum.
I actually asked the mod if this game was bastard.
I'm going to reread with this in mind and see what I can figure out.

@farside why do you think this game is bastard?

this is interesting. I do believe that firebringer is not "dead" yet, so to say

@rr so you believe that titus made a slip, I'm going to assume that this information has been discussed in your alliance, otherwise you wouldn't know about it

Just didn't see cakez as scum.

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

Well if it means anything I'm kind of in a daze that Cakez was scum.
I actually asked the mod if this game was bastard.
I'm going to reread with this in mind and see what I can figure out.

Ok, can you look at DGB in particular? I'm inclined to think that DGB and RR are opposing alignments or scum and scum but I'm not sure on that. So basically, I think there's at least one scum in DGB and RR.

It's ok that you're in a daze. I'd be that way too. I just want to get to the bottom of what caused our communication error and resolve it, because I tried everything I could to see what you were thinking and you just kept saying I was ignoring you. It was very frustrating.

Part of me felt like I wasn't being listened to in regards to how I was reading thing. Felt like all I was getting was ramrod with cakez scum over and over.

Anyways that's just how I felt most of day one and just got irritated.

I'll look at dgb.
I was scum reading rr just because how they narrowed reads to 2 players to make an iso on. It just read as information without analysis.

While we're chatting, what if I told you I mentioned to cakez he could be possible saved if he switched his vote to Shiro and he refused.
Would you find that odd?

This is the closest thing I found.

What did Cakey want when not scumread?
What did he say that was so town looking?
What were his thoughts on NC versus RR?
Did you consider Cakey was just a known deadman when you tried to save him?

You just took 2 post I made from day 2.
I'm not going to go over something I posted already for you to keep ignoring Beeboy.

As for the last 2 questions, Cazkez said he was town reading NC. He had a scum read on RR but he said that titus was basically wking him to get him to respond for himself.
I don't know if cakey thought he was a dead man. I just told him to switch his vote. He refused and I told him it was his funeral. I then proceeded to get the joy ride disbanded. I did that for a good reason that has to do with what I can do.

Have you ever seen Titus use a strategy where she whiteknights scum to get them to talk? Does Cakey pushing RR give you any hesitation at all?

I don't know.
And yes Cakey's push does give me hesitation in regards to RR. To be fair I didn't think about it with RR. The reads this game are beyond awful, and I expect a bit more from the duo when it comes to explaining who is scum and why.

[farside22]

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

Well if it means anything I'm kind of in a daze that Cakez was scum.
I actually asked the mod if this game was bastard.
I'm going to reread with this in mind and see what I can figure out.

@farside why do you think this game is bastard?

this is interesting. I do believe that firebringer is not "dead" yet, so to say

@rr so you believe that titus made a slip, I'm going to assume that this information has been discussed in your alliance, otherwise you wouldn't know about it

Just didn't see cakez as scum.

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

Well if it means anything I'm kind of in a daze that Cakez was scum.
I actually asked the mod if this game was bastard.
I'm going to reread with this in mind and see what I can figure out.

Ok, can you look at DGB in particular? I'm inclined to think that DGB and RR are opposing alignments or scum and scum but I'm not sure on that. So basically, I think there's at least one scum in DGB and RR.

It's ok that you're in a daze. I'd be that way too. I just want to get to the bottom of what caused our communication error and resolve it, because I tried everything I could to see what you were thinking and you just kept saying I was ignoring you. It was very frustrating.

Part of me felt like I wasn't being listened to in regards to how I was reading thing. Felt like all I was getting was ramrod with cakez scum over and over.

Anyways that's just how I felt most of day one and just got irritated.

I'll look at dgb.
I was scum reading rr just because how they narrowed reads to 2 players to make an iso on. It just read as information without analysis.

While we're chatting, what if I told you I mentioned to cakez he could be possible saved if he switched his vote to Shiro and he refused.
Would you find that odd?

This is the closest thing I found.

What did Cakey want when not scumread?
What did he say that was so town looking?
What were his thoughts on NC versus RR?
Did you consider Cakey was just a known deadman when you tried to save him?

You just took 2 post I made from day 2.
I'm not going to go over something I posted already for you to keep ignoring Beeboy.

As for the last 2 questions, Cazkez said he was town reading NC. He had a scum read on RR but he said that titus was basically wking him to get him to respond for himself.
I don't know if cakey thought he was a dead man. I just told him to switch his vote. He refused and I told him it was his funeral. I then proceeded to get the joy ride disbanded. I did that for a good reason that has to do with what I can do.

Have you ever seen Titus use a strategy where she whiteknights scum to get them to talk? Does Cakey pushing RR give you any hesitation at all?

I don't know.
And yes Cakey's push does give me hesitation in regards to RR. To be fair I didn't think about it with RR. The reads this game are beyond awful, and I expect a bit more from the duo when it comes to explaining who is scum and why.

Why do you expect more and what do you expect? Do those doubts override forcing RR, if scum, to have Mastina, myself, or Yume survive the first kill against us?

Read SU1 and you might understand why I expect more.
I don't understand your second question.

So when are you going to explain your town read of shiro there?

[farside22]

honestly rr just kind of appeared cakez' scumreads and he was saying they were scum but he wasn't really pushing there

I am currently of the opinion that dgb is a likely traitor candidate

farside is town

honestly I haven't really read much of rr's latest posts

Maybe I can get a moment of your time.
What did you think of random's comment this day game?
I told skybird it seems like someone trying hard to wk RR for town points.

[farside22]

please -snip-

stop quotewalls now call 0-999-stopquotewalls

I'll work on it.

I was referring to this post

I meant to do an iso of the dude, I'll put it on my to do list.

[farside22]

I meant to do an iso of the dude, I'll put it on my to do list.

his iso is

1

4 posts so you'll be done very quickly

ebwop

Welcome to my world, with constant interuption and things that come up. I just have to remind myself to do something on paper. I'm weird that way.

Menno and TWIE

rando doing fuck all as per usual

would you believe that I am townreading him

Why?
Like out of all the stuff he is frivolous stuff.
Then there was the time with Cakez and all he said was this?

That will be Cakez at L-2. I would like to vote him but don't want L-1 just yet. I definitely agree with the comments about him in Soccer Spirits

That's typically scum behavior 101.

EBWOP: I'll work on that RR. I have someone bugging me to play a game right now.

[farside22]

Oh and before I forget
Obi I'm not responding to another question till you respond to mine at this point.
Or get titus back in here.

[farside22]

Oh and before I forget
Obi I'm not responding to another question till you respond to mine at this point.
Or get titus back in here.

I'll get Titus up. Eventually. She's usually available if I skype her.

Can you leave your questions you want her to answer?

Why is Shiro a town read?
That's all I want to know.
If she says POE you 2 can kiss my ass with the why can't you explain your town read on cakez shot right here and now.

Looks like I get to do random meta research.
Dreads more reseach.

[farside22]

honestly rr just kind of appeared cakez' scumreads and he was saying they were scum but he wasn't really pushing there

I am currently of the opinion that dgb is a likely traitor candidate

farside is town

honestly I haven't really read much of rr's latest posts

This is why this isn't a priority for me.

Fuck every last one of you who can't be bothered to read the game.

Farside22: I recommend you go reread our D1/D2 play in SU, instead of letting yourself focus on our mid to late game play.

-Cerb

In regards to this I vaguely remember hating that you focused on all the game possibilities day 2 and drixx being a turd.
I'll see how how good my memory is in reread.
I think what I don't recall is the iso scum read stuff you did here.
I'll check around other games to see if one style sticks out.

[farside22]

Random notes:

Town http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Not seeing what mcmenno is talking about here.
Seems like he's trying to figure the gamend out there.

Scum game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
I'm just see a lot of bitching in the game here.

Town game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Asking questions and again I see a player trying to figure players out. He wking FA that game but I don't see him thinking anyone is scum trying to push her.

Town game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Pretty active that game. Some bsing around from the start seeing what I saw with other town games, more interaction though.

Scum game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Meh. This one was just a lot of meh posting from random. I think I see one hyperbole point and everything else is just a lot of blah.

McMenno back to you on this why you see random post as something similar.
I get the lynch bait stuff and it's mostly looks to be from some lack of effort from day 1, but most games I found were more effort as town then not.

[farside22]

Oh and before I forget
Obi I'm not responding to another question till you respond to mine at this point.
Or get titus back in here.

I'll get Titus up. Eventually. She's usually available if I skype her.

Can you leave your questions you want her to answer?

Why is Shiro a town read?
That's all I want to know.
If she says POE you 2 can kiss my ass with the why can't you explain your town read on cakez shot right here and now.

Looks like I get to do random meta research.
Dreads more reseach.

Ok, I am here now Farside. Sorry I stepped out. I am not feeling 100% so I apologize if you cased Shiro and I ignored it in advance. The short version is that I think I know Shiro and they are town. Their pushes don't look fake. They aren't ironclad but I have so many scumreads pushing there is meh.

What Cakey townread? I never townread Cakey.

I was referring to you asking me to explain cakez town read.
Frankly.........
Sigh
I have nothing nice to say about your reason to town read shiro.
Especially after all the shit you gave me day 1 about my town read reasons.

Yah, that's about the nicest I'm going to be on the subject.

[farside22]

are you sure he isn't trying to figure out the game? you are really focusing on the L-2 comment it seems but the rest of his iso isn't half-bad

besides there are much scummier players like rr xk kc etc.

I'd call it inconsistent and with the latest post pretty fake.
Going from http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8309722
To http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8322137
That which doesn't indicate a strong town read on rr.
To this http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8341317
Which is strangely aggressive and out of character.
As for xfyul I know I can't read the dude to save my life, Klingoncelt I have a light town read on and I feel comfortable with it currently.

[farside22]

Oh and before I forget
Obi I'm not responding to another question till you respond to mine at this point.
Or get titus back in here.

I'll get Titus up. Eventually. She's usually available if I skype her.

Can you leave your questions you want her to answer?

Why is Shiro a town read?
That's all I want to know.
If she says POE you 2 can kiss my ass with the why can't you explain your town read on cakez shot right here and now.

Looks like I get to do random meta research.
Dreads more reseach.

Ok, I am here now Farside. Sorry I stepped out. I am not feeling 100% so I apologize if you cased Shiro and I ignored it in advance. The short version is that I think I know Shiro and they are town. Their pushes don't look fake. They aren't ironclad but I have so many scumreads pushing there is meh.

What Cakey townread? I never townread Cakey.

I was referring to you asking me to explain cakez town read.
Frankly.........
Sigh
I have nothing nice to say about your reason to town read shiro.
Especially after all the shit you gave me day 1 about my town read reasons.

Yah, that's about the nicest I'm going to be on the subject.

Is there a case on Shiro that I missed?

Yes.
Mostly meta but I stand by that push on a50 is weak and the sudden turn over after that.

[farside22]

I still think Shiro and snarky are scum.
Cooldog and RR.

That's pretty much were I'm at.

I'll lynch Shiro, and to a much lesser degree CD out of those 4. Snarky is meh, and I can't help but town read the RR slot.

I'm coming around on my rr read. Still have research pending.

[farside22]

So far events have been triggered during the day, not at night.

Actually, they get triggered at NIGHT, get "resolved" by the end of the night, and -if successful- they get ACTVATED by day.

Let me try again: I submitted my Joy Ride activation request during the prequel phase, and while the stress was @ +1 (a prerequisite for it to be triggered). I didn't get confirmation until the day had begun, and only then did we have the PT available.

I think Varsoon made it clear that events get triggered by night but do not count as night actions (i.e. these cannot be blocked by a Roleblocker or a Jailkeeper for instance, and they will not count as forfeited action towards the current hidden counter). But they do get triggered at night none-the-less.

Yeah I checked with the mod after the fact. Apparently it is activated during the night.

[farside22]

@Yume/@Mastina, I am going to lay out the dilemma here and get your feedback.

My role suggests a NC//Farside/myself alliance would be best strategically.

By day play, allying with Yume is superior. The Suikoden repeat potential there is awesome.

I'm fine with this, I guess. Kind of what to bash beeboy right now but I'll refrain and walk away if need be from the game.

So did you ever read what I said about Shiro.
While I'm asking questions, do you think there is any reason a town player wouldn't use there ability night 1?
I'm not sure about that and it's something I need to reconcile

[farside22]

Meh Cooldog is being replaced. I meant to look to see if he was not posting around ms in general.

[farside22]

Looks like Cooldog is just posting in the speakeasy or general and not in mafia games.

[farside22]

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

Because I fucking said so.

No joke.

I'd rather lynch Shiro than farside.

Did you even bother to read my wall which had a section on her?

This is NOT farside's scumgame.

I'd like your thought on my meta read and references to shiro.
She admitted that she is more aggressive as scum, except apparently while in a hydra, Titus hasn't confirmed this.

[farside22]

What was the hydra called.

[farside22]

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

Because I fucking said so.

No joke.

I'd rather lynch Shiro than farside.

Did you even bother to read my wall which had a section on her?

This is NOT farside's scumgame.

I'd like your thought on my meta read and references to shiro.
She admitted that she is more aggressive as scum, except apparently while in a hydra, Titus hasn't confirmed this.

We were aggressive wherever we hydraed. I confirm that. We never rolled scum.

Ok I did a one game search and now I'm going to give you a dirty look.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65594
How the fuck is that aggressive?

[farside22]

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

Because I fucking said so.

No joke.

I'd rather lynch Shiro than farside.

Did you even bother to read my wall which had a section on her?

This is NOT farside's scumgame.

I'd like your thought on my meta read and references to shiro.
She admitted that she is more aggressive as scum, except apparently while in a hydra, Titus hasn't confirmed this.

We were aggressive wherever we hydraed. I confirm that. We never rolled scum.

Ok I did a one game search and now I'm going to give you a dirty look.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65594
How the fuck is that aggressive?

We tunnelled the fuck out of Toog.

EbWoP: "Scum game" = "game". No idea why I typed scum in there.
The pile-on of people who will now claim that it was a slip in 3... 2 ... 1 ...

It

would

be appropriate and oh SO karmic considering the crap you pushed on farside, but oh well. Tempting as that offer is: for now I'll pass.

Oh come the fuck off it Mastin. Titus' slip in Steven Universe was ONE word. I believe the sentence that caught her was "Sonic can get refilled and get the refill" and it was that last bit where implicitly she slipped and revealed she knew Sonic could copy people's abilities. That was a tiny miniscule detail. Scum slips are sometimes the tiniest of things.

And by the way, ask Yume about those two posts and what I told her. Then look at the posts following them.

~D

Not in the same realm at all.
I was in a pt with both players and forgot whom did what.
You really have no point at all in regards to it.

[farside22]

Oh yeah bi, tunneling is not the same thing I'm referring to in regards to shiro

[farside22]

Oh yeah bi, tunneling is not the same thing I'm referring to in regards to shiro

Tunnelling isn't aggressive?

Not in the category I'm using as examples of scum Shiro, if you actually read it, which you probably didn't.

[farside22]

Tell rr to stop being reach your. Maybe have Cerb in the thread this game day since he's the more rational of the two.
I don't believe you'll follow my read to be fair

[farside22]

Oh yeah bi, tunneling is not the same thing I'm referring to in regards to shiro

Tunnelling isn't aggressive?

Not in the category I'm using as examples of scum Shiro, if you actually read it, which you probably didn't.

Enough of this. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I am not reading. You did the same thing with my Cakey read.

What are your thoughts on Klingon? CoolDog?

No you didn't disagree with my point on Shiro. You used tunnel as aggressive, which if you read my post I never mentioned as part of what looks scummy.

[farside22]

I am at you, me, Yume, grapes, kTS, McMenno as bet the game town
Random Shiro ss lean town
Rr null but bad lynch
Nc, creature DGB lean scum, first two might be townbeards
Klingon x CoolDog Farside as scum, but Farside may be beard

That's 17 players out of 23 still in-play!!! Please repost.

that's because a solid handful are lurking. :>

1 lurker was put in a town slot.
Obviously one head disagrees with the other head about reads.

[farside22]

Tell rr to stop being reach your. Maybe have Cerb in the thread this game day since he's the more rational of the two.
I don't believe you'll follow my read to be fair

Can you rephrase this? I do not follow.

Dried post are reachy as fuck.
Cerb is more rational.
The rest is self explanatory

[farside22]

Tell rr to stop being reach your. Maybe have Cerb in the thread this game day since he's the more rational of the two.
I don't believe you'll follow my read to be fair

Can you rephrase this? I do not follow.

Drixx post are reachy as fuck.
Cerb is more rational.
The rest is self explanatory

Fixed

[farside22]

Mastin why are we voting on an empty slot.....

The slot most likely to be scum (which a lynch can go through on) is the slot most likely to be scum (which a lynch can go through on). Doesn't matter that it happens to be empty now. Scum's still scum.

#3890

Read it.
Comment stands.

You could vote for Shiro with me. I have a theory and would appreciate support there

[farside22]

You can keep waiting.

[farside22]

You can keep waiting.

Is someone bluffing ?

Nope.

Just waiting.

[farside22]

Hey loop.

[farside22]

hello, Loopdan! welcome to the game. and nice to see you again, though we did not interact much.
but. i wish you were CoolDog. i had questions for that one. :<

no one responded to my question/thought about CoolDog. i would appreciate feedback.

grapes: i understand your need to sort, but i really must insist.
i'm tired today. if someone wants me to engage on a topic, i will. otherwise, i will lazily follow along for the rest of the night.

What do you want to talk about.
I can chat a bit in between bowling.

[farside22]

like i said, i'm tired. sorry, i meant that if anyone had something they wanted to discuss with me, i would be able to. i can't be original right now.

but, since you asked. do you think CoolDog slipped, misunderstood something, or miscommunicated in a way we will never know because he replaced out? referring to my last question about him.

I don't see anything that sticks out. I looked to see if he was posting elsewhere and sky asked me if he replaces out as one alignment or another. I have had time to check.

[farside22]

Haven't had time.

[farside22]

Farside, can you do a reasonless readwall?

What happened to asking Shiro for the same thing there?

[farside22]

like i said, i'm tired. sorry, i meant that if anyone had something they wanted to discuss with me, i would be able to. i can't be original right now.

but, since you asked. do you think CoolDog slipped, misunderstood something, or miscommunicated in a way we will never know because he replaced out? referring to my last question about him.

I don't see anything that sticks out. I looked to see if he was posting elsewhere and sky asked me if he replaces out as one alignment or another. I have had time to check.

i meant specifically the line where he says something along the vein of "not chara is a terrible lynch. mastin flipping would clear them". as far as i can tell mastin mentioned so such thing. plus, it was worded like he knew i was town.

Hmm idk.
It does seem read like he's town reading you but I don't know what a mastin flip means.

[farside22]

Farside, can you do a reasonless readwall?

What happened to asking Shiro for the same thing there?

I did. *confused*

What happened to following through.

Let me explain in simple terms.
You asked us both but only following up asking me.
My million dollar question is why the favoritism?

[farside22]

Eh I reached the conclusion that I was wrong about almost and I don't like RR lynch tbh, people seem convinced but meh.

Cooldog is policy lynch soo not much there.

I am still iffy suspicious about Farside tbh, like I doubt Varsoon woukd give town 2 dayvig. Then again I heavily doubt Farside is vig.

I am pretty sure peridot is trolling.

Vote:CoolDog

I mean you have the first comment about Cooldog and later followed by a vote.
Why is that OK to not now be aggressive and just vote someone you deem a pl?

I need to finish my game but there will be more Tuesday.

[farside22]

@Farside: just curious, need to clear something up. Earlier, when you said something about going along with whatever Titus was talking about in that post, you basically said only if Drixx stopped posting. Was it your intent to threaten us with being vigged to keep Drixx from posting? I didn't read it that way, but it has been brought to my attention that it could have been meant that way.

Please clarify.

-Cerb

Farside, do you think Titus is scum? The question you're asking, the accusation of inconsistent applying standards, is sorta a thing that people tend to ask those they're suspicious of about.

If you ARE suspicious of Titus, please share why. I don't understand it.

-Cerb

No, nothing like that. Drixx personality just makes me grind my teeth.

As for the second I'm bothered by Titus weak defense of Shiro when it came to the meta talk and just now she dodges my question about why she asked me over Shiro, like it's a thing.
She still isn't really explaining it. She just wanted to see if I noticed but doesn't follow up with Shiro.
There is a big gap in logic from Titus in regards to shiro and I'm going to push on Shiro and if scum ask Titus the hard questions further.

[farside22]

Farside, do you think Titus is scum? The question you're asking, the accusation of inconsistent applying standards, is sorta a thing that people tend to ask those they're suspicious of about.

If you ARE suspicious of Titus, please share why. I don't understand it.

No let's please not reignite that.

Too late.

[farside22]

@Farside: just curious, need to clear something up. Earlier, when you said something about going along with whatever Titus was talking about in that post, you basically said only if Drixx stopped posting. Was it your intent to threaten us with being vigged to keep Drixx from posting? I didn't read it that way, but it has been brought to my attention that it could have been meant that way.

Please clarify.

-Cerb

Farside, do you think Titus is scum? The question you're asking, the accusation of inconsistent applying standards, is sorta a thing that people tend to ask those they're suspicious of about.

If you ARE suspicious of Titus, please share why. I don't understand it.

-Cerb

No, nothing like that. Drixx personality just makes me grind my teeth.

As for the second I'm bothered by Titus weak defense of Shiro when it came to the meta talk and just now she dodges my question about why she asked me over Shiro, like it's a thing.
She still isn't really explaining it. She just wanted to see if I noticed but doesn't follow up with Shiro.
There is a big gap in logic from Titus in regards to shiro and I'm going to push on Shiro and if scum ask Titus the hard questions further.

Okay, thanks for clarifying. Drixx has a learning curve involved, but once you understand him you'll <3 him too. :p

Mm. I really really think questioning Titus about this is a waste of time. Not because it's not an interesting thing to note but because she isn't scum(pretty dang unlikely at least, though BP claims always raise my suspicions, but her ccing cakes as scum makes like no sense at all), and you're not scum(cause balance!), neither of you are in danger of being lynched, therefore it's not useful.

-Cerb

Oh I get the cc part but cakez wasn't lying about being BP.
Trust me I even asked why scum Titus would bus one buddy and protect another. I'm working on that Tuesday.

Titus dodged my question too so I'm not sure why she is huffy about me doing it, even though if anyone read my post too rr I did respond Titus question.
So she's basically just not reading post.
.

[farside22]

Do I see a readwall? No. Not answered.

Well that's a lie, should I bold it or will you say why it doesn't awnser your question?

That's a false narrative. I asked Farside to do it twice. Shiro once. It's not like I grilled her. Shiro also engaged me reasonably.

Right, which is why I find your side of the argument fair as well.

But farside probably doesn't as much because

it's her being scumread

.

That has nothing to do with it.
I don't care about Titus read on me. I'm wondering why she's not pushing Shiro to respond to the question or get huffy when Shiro dodges the question.
It's inconsistencies I notice.

[farside22]

She attacked me to dodge giving reads. I am ok with RR pushing there.

You don't think that farside wondering why you got on her more about giving a full readslist and didn't for shiro isn't something she would find noteworthy as town?

What do you think of their reasons for the push there.

That's a false narrative. I asked Farside to do it twice. Shiro once. It's not like I grilled her. Shiro also engaged me reasonably.

Where did that happen?

[farside22]

@ titus: Oh your talking about the day vig stuff. The non important part of all this.
Okay then.

[farside22]

No, it's a shitty nothing question I struggle to attribute town motive to.

Meh I didn't mind the question
As you can see I'm not letting Titus goad me this game day.

[farside22]

Grapes: while your around what did you think of Shiro going from aggressive to lynching lurks that I pointed out here.

Eh I reached the conclusion that I was wrong about almost and I don't like RR lynch tbh, people seem convinced but meh.

Cooldog is policy lynch soo not much there.

I am still iffy suspicious about Farside tbh, like I doubt Varsoon woukd give town 2 dayvig. Then again I heavily doubt Farside is vig.

I am pretty sure peridot is trolling.

Vote:CoolDog

I mean you have the first comment about Cooldog and later followed by a vote.
Why is that OK to not now be aggressive and just vote someone you deem a pl?

I need to finish my game but there will be more Tuesday.

[farside22]

Is there a problem with doing that?

[/quote][/quote]

@Farside: just curious, need to clear something up. Earlier, when you said something about going along with whatever Titus was talking about in that post, you basically said only if Drixx stopped posting. Was it your intent to threaten us with being vigged to keep Drixx from posting? I didn't read it that way, but it has been brought to my attention that it could have been meant that way.

Please clarify.

-Cerb

Farside, do you think Titus is scum? The question you're asking, the accusation of inconsistent applying standards, is sorta a thing that people tend to ask those they're suspicious of about.

If you ARE suspicious of Titus, please share why. I don't understand it.

-Cerb

No, nothing like that. Drixx personality just makes me grind my teeth.

As for the second I'm bothered by Titus weak defense of Shiro when it came to the meta talk and

just now she dodges my question about why she asked me over Shiro, like it's a thing.
She still isn't really explaining it. She just wanted to see if I noticed but doesn't follow up with Shiro.

There is a big gap in logic from Titus in regards to shiro and I'm going to push on Shiro and if scum ask Titus

[

[farside22]

Grapes: while your around what did you think of Shiro going from aggressive to lynching lurks that I pointed out here.

Those two posts you quoted from the original post I both found pretty bad now that you brought it to my attention.

Would like shiro's reasoning for turning around on A50 in particular

A50 asked the same and didn't get a response.
Good luck with that.

[farside22]

Eh I reached the conclusion that I was wrong about almost and I don't like RR lynch tbh, people seem convinced but meh.

Cooldog is policy lynch soo not much there.

I am still iffy suspicious about Farside tbh, like I doubt Varsoon woukd give town 2 dayvig. Then again I heavily doubt Farside is vig.

This.
This is good enough?

Sure I can be vague too.

Rr - even though I haven't done the research I'm changing my read on and figure they should be aloud to see if they are telling the truth about their ability.

Wait that not vague eniugh.

A50 town
Mastin town
Grapes town
NC mostly town

Shiro obvious scum.
Lurker out there probably scum
Titus - being weird and totally would not be surprised if scum.

Yeah that's more then enough there.

[farside22]

A50 asked the same and didn't get a response.
Good luck with that.

I thought it through though and I think I came to the answer of this. Not sure, but I think I got it.

Just to be fair.

You should be assuming.
Shiro should be responding.

Eh I reached the conclusion that I was wrong about almost and I don't like RR lynch tbh, people seem convinced but meh.

Cooldog is policy lynch soo not much there.

I am still iffy suspicious about Farside tbh, like I doubt Varsoon woukd give town 2 dayvig. Then again I heavily doubt Farside is vig.

This.
This is good enough?

Sure I can be vague too.

Rr - even though I haven't done the research I'm changing my read on and figure they should be aloud to see if they are telling the truth about their ability.

Wait that not vague eniugh.

A50 town
Mastin town
Grapes town
NC mostly town

Shiro obvious scum.
Lurker out there probably scum
Titus - being weird and totally would not be surprised if scum.

Yeah that's more then enough there.

Shiro is reevaluating his reads after being wrong. You're only giving the obvious reads minus me as scum. You dropped RR solely because it wasn't popular.

I want to know your non obvious reads.

Umm I unvote rr before many others did, do I need to show proof or are you just throwing shit to see where it sticks?
See there is that favoritism again Shiro gave 3 reads and yet you don't push for more and sit content.
And you seem to forget I changed my read on grapes

When Farside gives a read on every slot or states why she cannot I am done.

Why only me again?
I've done more explaining my reads the your scum buddy Shiro has.
Actually a lot of players haven mentioned a lot of players so your just trying to goad me alone.
Why?

fair enough. farside, forgive me if i missed something, but i only remember you answering Titus's question about the readslist by saying you did not have the time at the moment.
as for the reason she asked you again and not Shiro... is that not because Shiro isn't around right now?

Well I was bowling when she asked, and when I responded with my short list I was done bowling.I just notice Titus asked Shiro and myself.
Shiro was posting a few things and admittedly in my quick read through I missed Titus did ask for thought in game and Shiro gave 3 reads. Which satisfied Titus there, for whatever reason.

[farside22]

i'm suspicious of both DGB and Klingon because i really can't figure out what went on inside the hood. Klingon's claims sound far-fetched, and DGB seems more concerned with talking about what she did in the hood and why it makes Klingon town then doing any hunting in the game.

UNVOTE: Obi wan


Right now my focus is on Goof, DGB and Mastin.
ATM they are the only ones I plan to vote for

Why mastin?

Yea jeez Farside I wonder why Titus didn't random ask me again and while I was gone. It would have done wonders seeing as I would be gone

Btw I totes changed my stance cause you nailed my scum game and said my town gane is laid back. In a desperate attempt for cred I did just that sadly clueless that you would see through the façade.
Except totally not, I don't have another scumread I feel that certain.

@Grapes
I didn't pick almost, I legitimately believed he was scum. My mind changed mostly to, I won't lie, mechanics and flavour, hate me for that if you want.

I was a bit iffy that scum had 2 ways to make 5 people alliances (almost still scum in my mind)
Then it kinda started making no sense. I saw a post from almost when Farside broke the alliance and then I think I kind of figured out who he is.

Now before people go omfosh safe claims yada yada. Yea but tbh I noticed, none of gregs powers really made sense for greg. Granted full disclosure made no sense for ruby either but here is the deal. I made the assumption that Scum town events don't make sense for them nor necessarily for their fake claim. In contrast they do for town (which is why it is punishable, with little imagination scum.can figure roles)
At the end of the day my read switched.

I will make a reads list after work today 5-6 hours from now. Though I am not one to make good realists.

I read this and all I got was role related reasons that you only concluded recently?
As for the second....reaches into sarcasm voice.
I total love when players make fake comments and think "omg how do you not know im not being serious even when I repeat myself over and over and snarky at you"

[farside22]

How many claims did dgb make in your pt that game day?

Yes. I am compulsive town spectre. If I die by town I can stay and haunt beach city.

I lose my vote but each night, I choose a person to haunt. The following day I control their vote.

Sounds Scummy.

It's also a joke.

Yea, truth is I am

Town reactionare

When anybody targets me with an action while stress is above 0 I reactionary use the same thing on them. This action fails if I am the action is the scum kill action unless it is full stress.

My even is extreme circumstances can be used at slice of life only. It will automatically raise stress to tragic destiny due to my paranoia of what is out there.

Klingon.....
we know how millers work ...... there had to be some type of investigation going on or Goof got the answers from another source. So the question is how did she knows. did she mention anything in the PT

If Goof is a traitor why advertise it making it easier for scum to recruit. Why not find another way to get her lynched.

Post #9 in the PT she said she can cop her ally.

Ain't it a shame she's not allied today.

Advertising it means she gets lynched and therefore can't be recruited.

What another way is there than a full confession?

Shows sample pm

SAMPLE ROLEPM:

Jane, Ticket Taker and Ex-Girlfriend
I come all this way to return your "Koala princess" DVDs, only to find you with another girl?
You are aligned with the Town Faction. You are Human.
Where's she at, though? Each Climax Phase, you may target a player to attempt to Ally with. If that players also attempts to Ally with you, you will form an Alliance. In addition to the standard benefits of an Alliance, you will also be counted as 'removed from the game' for all purposes other than taking night actions and posting within your Alliance Neighborhood. EVENT: Save it for your blog... EPISODE EVENT: Exposition Only--Activate this ability at any time during the Exposition Phase. PRIORITY: 0 (This Episode Event will always happen when you activate it) REQUIREMENTS: You may only activate this ability at -2, -1, 0, +1, +2, or +3 Stress. You must be in an Alliance. You may immediately end the Alliance that you are in, resulting in your Ally losing all benefits of the Alliance. This event will also cause your former ally to be unable to join another Alliance during the next Episode. The Stress Meter rises by 1, towards 'Tragic Destiny'. Keep Beach City Single! You are aligned with Earth . In order to win the game, all threats to Earth must be removed from the game. In order to win the game, at least one Earth-aligned player must be alive.

Doubt that claim is real.

[farside22]

Sorry my quotes got mixed around.
Kling: how many claims did dgb make to you?
Dgb: how did you know day when when to send in for allying and why didn't you do it day 2?

[farside22]

Sorry my quotes got mixed around.
Kling: how many claims did dgb make to you?
Dgb: how did you know day when when to send in for allying and why didn't you do it day 2?

Sorry night1?

[farside22]

And for those in there own world or just discussing flavor.
My points on Shiro can be found in the following places.

the weak read that Shiro had on a50
the goal posting link and lack of trying to figure anyone out

meta points

the voting for lurker and not voting a scum read, which apparently she doesn't have

Finally I offered cakez a way to not be lynched if he voted Shiro and he didn't do it. Why would scum be stubborn about voting another player to save them self?

So in short if your not voting Shiro I want to know why.

[farside22]

I don't like Shiro being totally flipant about Farside's concerns. She's throwing up a lot of fluff and BS and then telling Farside she needs to learn when she's [Shiro] joking. It's Day 2. I get joking and having fun. But doing it all the time? How about game solving? I don't see much if any of it from Shiro.

Yup and just being trollish in the process.

[farside22]

And for those in there own world or just discussing flavor.
My points on Shiro can be found in the following places.

the weak read that Shiro had on a50
the goal posting link and lack of trying to figure anyone out

meta points

the voting for lurker and not voting a scum read, which apparently she doesn't have

Finally I offered cakez a way to not be lynched if he voted Shiro and he didn't do it. Why would scum be stubborn about voting another player to save them self?

So in short if your not voting Shiro I want to know why.

But eh, I did explain th first point yiu gave. If anything almost was mocking me.

Your meta points are meh. Anyone that has played with me can attest to that. I fluff as both alignments abd even though I am a tad bit more aggressive as scum I can be aggressive as town.
Also poor game picking. Wanna see an actual scum.game of mine read space dandy. White Fire is 0.02% Firebringer and the rest is me. Denmark mafia and pun mafia both have aggressive town shiro in them. If I recall.

Yea because 1. Trust town reads 2. can easily see him PoE scum. 3.Yea I kind of don't have strong scum reads. I focused too much on almost. My strongest thought right now is Killthestory who really doesn't seem like his town game a D I think you can attest to that yourself since you isoed me on symphonic mafia


Oh scum did something, must be bevause I an his buddy

Tbh sad thing is you are most likely town and if you are a vig in your head you are like certain I am scum and planning to possibly shoot Titus tommorow dawn or something under your confbias that I am scum and Titus is protecting me.

New flash, ain't the case, I am town and Titus is sadly capable to read me like an open book, especially since we have hydrad and she knows how I think as town.

P.edit

@Skybird

Oh please I was trollish in saga till the end of the game. And you were there.

Hey Farside weren't you the mod in twilight zone mafia? How comes you didn't use that game as reference were I pushed quite a bit based on flavour alone because I was convinced it was role related based on varsoon flip of sk as alien huh? Pushed hard to clear a whole hood on it?

Or that I random took Titus to space just because?

Not convenient?

Let's see you basically focused on a50 for weak reason and what you do goal posting and think what I said wasn't what you were doing?
I even pointed out how you used a self meta to apply that to a50.
Your inconsistencies about my meta on you is baffling.
First you say your more aggressive as a hydra, which I like one so far that doesn't show that and then you sat you were joking and now your asking about a game I moddef....maybe 2 years ago and you think I should use that over current meta because...????

Well I'm betting money part of your claim I quoted was true and your hoping I'll use my vig and you most likely won't die, since by your own words, you can't be targeted by actions.
So here is my million dollar question why are you trying to goad me to vig you?

[farside22]

Shiro: your reasoning for dropping the read on Almost... kind of sucks. how does mentioning some flavour indicate his alignment? i was sure we were past that.
your theory that town have abilities that better fit their flavour doesn't work when Varsoon claims to have created the scum flavour first. such a glaring flaw would make this game breakable. you even said Cakez's abilities don't fit for Dock (the Ruby) either.
you didn't answer why CoolDog was policy and not a real scumread. or i missed it.
what are your other reads?

pedit: okay. i see you responded to farside above.

I don't see how Shiro responded about a50.

[farside22]

I mean you used 1 year old meta fro mevyrthing is a lie and nether game(where Titus just carried me like a potato sack)

When did I say I was joking about being more agressive as a hydra ?

Quoted part of my claim ? What ?

Zone mafia older then lie?
No
If my meta read is wrong why don't you show links to examples that you have?

Oh the not being targeted was a full fake claim then and trolling? Hard to tell.

[farside22]

Also I showed a link of a hydra game that didn't show aggression that I pointed out as part of your meta, you know with the weak push and nitpicking aggressiveness that I found common here.

Currently working, will be back tonight.

[farside22]

Here is twightlight zone for you.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Not that it disproves what I said.
I realized I picked so many town games to review and the searched for scum games to cross reference, which is why this probably got missed.

[farside22]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=66230

In saga but good luck with that because I was hydraying with FA and she is a hyper poster.

LoZ

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65594

With Tittus, especially during the toogaloo push (She can vouch for the inner agresion with wanting to dayvig him but her holding me off saying we need to use the dayvig for the common good of town after discussion

I linked the one with Titus already, how do you think that's the same aggression that I'm referring to at all?
It's not tunnelling, it's jumping on bad logic and holding onto it with aggressiveness that borders on trolling.

[farside22]

Titus not sure if your just not reading, but I'm working as I post.
Can't be on for long

[farside22]

Is everybody waiting for something to happen that I might've missed? Because all I see is back and forth dialogues that lead to nowhere, and it seems like we're going in closed loops. This is evidently clear by the semi-stagnant consecutive VCs.

OK, I have a little confession to make: I had TEMPORARY control over the Peridot Twitter thing for precisely this one tweet, and I was laughing over the fact it did get posted exactly the way I phrased it.

Peridot @Peridot5xg tweeted: Sale: Pizza slice for a buck! Coolest offer you could ever get in Beach City.

I even asked if Peridot was trolling to see if anyone ever bothers to read those. Shiro dismissed it as a troll, and Yume found the context for it with a dialogue between Peridot & Steven (which I am neither).

OK.. as you where.. continue your mind games (or whatever you guys are doing).

Sure instead of meta talk maybe the other 2 points about Shiro could be discussed.
The voting for a lurker and the fact when cakez was offered safety from being lynched he didn't take the offer to vote shiro.

[farside22]

Hey

Snarky, Xkfyu, TWIE, and random

: Do you guys have anything to say about anything that's happened since the game started? It would be nice to have things to go off of to sort you with.

-Cerb

I think Almost50, Titus, and you are probably town.

No idea on who the scum team is yet, but I'm willing to lynch LoopDan.

VOTE: LoopDan

Hello Mr hypocrite how are you?

[farside22]

i think Cakez didn't vote Shiro because of paranoia. you're referring to the subject of my discussion with him at the end of the day, yes?

i'm forgetting which lurker Shiro voted for. i'll get the laptop.

pedit: yes, Titus is right. it felt like Cakez had given up.

Not sure when that was ill check after work.
I'll get all the time stamp stuff.

[farside22]

Keep goading girl.
It's fun to watch.
*sips coffee*

[farside22]

Shiro suspected a lurker OMG.

SirCakez didn't vote NC either but pushed RR.

Cakey wasn't going to join a wagon on anyone when Shiro was pushed as a choice. SirCakez was a walking deadman and figured it out.

Btw this is pretty much were I stand

Town

Titus
Because of how she has, her tunnel early game was pretty much town TItus to the max, her defence of people she believe are town is also pretty townie coming from her. Even ehr approach on RR is pretty town, thinking that even if she is wrong mechanically using his power might be useless.

Mastin
Honestly early game I had some doubts that I expessed to Fire but he was like (Nah you are dumb) so I let it go. After that she became more active and her posts just seems really town, she is also pretty much one of the key reasons that Cakez got lynched yesteraday. Didn't seem like a bus

Skybird

I will bet my everything that scum wouldn't get to know steven day 1. My money is on her being connie as well.

Yume

Due to mastin but also because what little she has shared doesn't seem to becoming from scum and some of her posts are staple town yume.


Probably town

RR

I really don't care what mastin says here, I don't see them as scum. He seems to be doing what he always does, which is solving the game, The fact that Drixx gives me bad vibes is probably me. His concern about the cluster seemed legit and I don't see why scum would waste time on pbpa the way he did about SriCakez.

Farside

I wish I could say I think you are scum but you are probably very wrong town. Wrong on Sircakez, wrong on me and probably wrongly suspicious of Titus. Like I know everything you say is wrong but at the same time I don't see scum pushing it like that like ever. If you are truly a vig, if you were scum you coul dhave easily shot me and blanket covered it under, Was really suspicious, infact you owuld have done that yesterday to save cakez potentially.

Almost

Boy was I wrong there. I don't have him as certain town in my mind sure but if my assumptions are right he is. Will talk to him about these stuff privatly tbh. If farside hasn't killed me

Grapes

But I do not remember why, I remember it being a strong feel however

Snarky

That is town snarky alright, down to the posting count. Might be PoE scum later though but for now town

Not Chara

I am trusting my BFFE Fire on this, He migh thave died young but his will on Chara being town will live on. Would ahve been can go either way otherwise cause eh, I dunno she seems really invested which I tend to take as town but it isnt like scum cant do that

Can go either way

Klingconcelt

She has done her shadow of the past talking and nothing more tbh, I would lynch her.

Random

I expected him to be more active in our PT He is as active as he is here, which is not much at all.

Kraska

I think I townread them once in a blue moon but I cannot remember why or care to reread to learn so they can go here

Might be scum

McMemno

Can shake the feeling that this slot is scum, It no something particular but just an overall feeling

Killthestory

I do not buy the IC bs and his play here is basically his amss effect mafia play and he was scum there. I don't see why people townread him in the least.

Creature

First agree with me about almost and then agrees with you with your case that my case was weak ? That doesn't make much sense.It not that he voted me that I care about in all honesty but moreso the way he went about it. He went from agree with me about almost to not agree with me about almost and agreeing with far about me without much of a logical explanation as to why.


The rest are void lurking slots of doom that I have no opinion on and it is very liekly that if you asked me what about *add name* I would respond with, who ?

And Titus your ability to see something that isn't there or said is mind blowing.

[farside22]

farside: i missed a comment from you. Shiro said he read on Almost changed because of flavour and meta. i don't think it was a very good reason.
what i don't understand is why you won't just post a full list, as asked?

Shiro: looking at your list, i would expect you to be voting Creature, not CoolDog/Loopdan. why are you voting on 'policy'?

I'm goingto after work.
Although Titus completedly dodged all my questions I asked before Shiro read list.

[farside22]

@Farside, Yes, a vote indicated that he suspects a lurker of being scum. He doesn't know anything CoolDog/LoopDan has done. That's certainly no townread. Thus, suspected.

Now, why are you insistant on trying to frame me as some sort of megalomaniac and not answering basic questions on where you stand and what your reads are?

If that's true why wasn't he listed?

I'm calling you goading because your calling my post shit posting.
Do I need to take a pic of my desk?
No seriously your too busy is pretty much goading?

G2g

[farside22]

farside: i missed a comment from you. Shiro said he read on Almost changed because of flavour and meta. i don't think it was a very good reason.
what i don't understand is why you won't just post a full list, as asked?

Shiro: looking at your list, i would expect you to be voting Creature, not CoolDog/Loopdan. why are you voting on 'policy'?

I'm goingto after work.
Although Titus completedly dodged all my questions I asked before Shiro read list.

Again, total shit.

You're again just deflecting to avoid doing shit. If I had actually been ignoring your questions, about like 5 people would have beaten me over the head for that.

Nope.

Mountain = molehill

Like if I didn't do it today I'd get this attitude but this is over the top.
And the logic you have is really backwards, I could just not post till I was ready and lurk about if I was hiding or procrastinating.

But I've asked you repeated and you've dodged repeatedly, so I'm asking someone else to push you to respond.
See if you act like you do with me.

[farside22]

List

Town
Almost 50
Yume
Mastin
Grapes
Nc

Leaning town
Sky bird - been chatting with sky she has some interesting views. She brought up about how I was feeling about Titus and explained that it could be scum with the way she dodges things I brought up.
Fuzzy (based on sera's play) - I got a good feel from sera after I pushed him. This post http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8315180 shows he was thinking about things in the game and not just lurkers
Mcmenno- this should probably be higher but this is mostly based on the weak push from cakes
Rr - there are moments I glips SU with this pair. I would say the only big issue is I don't think they presented good points for scum reading players.
Creature - creature caught onto the perfect null and the defense from cakes read a bit ass kissing.



Null
Klingcelt
Twin wings
Twie
Loop
Dbg
Killthestory

Leaning scum-
Kraska - active lurking for a hydra, made one case and just kind of disappeared with random reads that have yet to be explained. Kraska can be more active then this and explained her scum reads with a flourish that is missing here.



Scum

Titus - I'm going to explain this in simple terms
Bias. There is the questions without responding to the question, the over the top attitude even though I can point to a game were she was reasonable about players being busy. To her scum reads that are basically not being pushed today.
She went from her is an olive branch to once I make a case on Shiro she gets all defensive for Shiro and not once explained the town read when asked on Shiro.

shiro - case http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8347156
As for the las test replaces from shiro

Eh I reached the conclusion that I was wrong about almost and I don't like RR lynch tbh, people seem convinced but meh.

Cooldog is policy lynch soo not much there.

I am still iffy suspicious about Farside tbh, like I doubt Varsoon woukd give town 2 dayvig. Then again I heavily doubt Farside is vig.

I am pretty sure peridot is trolling.

Vote:CoolDog

she is asking about me being agressive as town, she argues that I am only passive fluff and townreads as town, which isnt the case.

I can be a passive town cheerleader espesially if I get lost but if I find someone I truly believe is scum I tend to push them. I can honestly post bloodborn as well with how I pushed frogs but that game is all bad memories.

Do I look like I can push anyone?

I don't have the cred, the support or the debating power to beat mastin and Titus on the subject. CooLDog is a lurker for me who is a void hole, he could be scum and since the top dogs are finding his as prime scum canditate from the lurker there must be some merit there.

I don't see anything that says scum reading cool dog.
Second a lot of the scum links I present on shiro showing her aggressively attacking a player day 1, like she did here, and keeps getting glossed over.

Snarky - not changed and will have meta to back this up later
Random - explained already
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8341846



To nc: this was when I made the offer to cakes http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8328919
At that time the only highest vote count next to him was Shiro.
Also I'm linking all the question bellow I asked Titus and how she asked a question instead of replying to my question.
Question I asked
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8341364. No response
Question :
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8341725 weak response not in depth like she has demanded I must do. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8341776
Question: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8343127 vague response http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8343137 what I said and she never responded to get a response. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8343222

Question:
Some back and forth were you can see she directly responds and instead turns the question on me.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8343244
The final comment on the subject she didn't respond to http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8343256
The question I asked http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8346132 the dodging go question and asking a question http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8346203
The bias point that Titus made http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8346566 which if you read shirts list he made 3 reads and Titus didn't say boo about it.
The questions I asked http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8347130
No reply from Titus.

As I said very inconsistent reactions with shiro and myself so I ask again, why the favortism?

[farside22]

She attacked me to dodge giving reads. I am ok with RR pushing there.

You don't think that farside wondering why you got on her more about giving a full readslist and didn't for shiro isn't something she would find noteworthy as town?

What do you think of their reasons for the push there.

That's a false narrative. I asked Farside to do it twice. Shiro once. It's not like I grilled her. Shiro also engaged me reasonably.

That's where I answered you Farside, now for some comparisons.

That really doesn't explain the favoritism in regards to shiro giving you 3 reads and being okay with it and calling mine bad badically.

As for kling the thing with dgb and her is weird. The late miller claim is questionable, sometimes when I read kling post I feel like I'm reading someone playing a completely different game.

[farside22]

She attacked me to dodge giving reads. I am ok with RR pushing there.

You don't think that farside wondering why you got on her more about giving a full readslist and didn't for shiro isn't something she would find noteworthy as town?

What do you think of their reasons for the push there.

That's a false narrative. I asked Farside to do it twice. Shiro once. It's not like I grilled her. Shiro also engaged me reasonably.

That's where I answered you Farside, now for some comparisons.

That really doesn't explain the favoritism in regards to shiro giving you 3 reads and being okay with it and calling mine bad badically.

As for kling the thing with dgb and her is weird. The late miller claim is questionable, sometimes when I read kling post I feel like I'm reading someone playing a completely different game.

I didn't call your reads bad. I went out of my way to highlight where we agreed, Farside. I want to see where and how we can get on the same page, where and how we can't. You're resisting that substantive dialogue. Shiro is voting scum at the moment and I'm not scumreading Shiro, so I don't want to pressure players I'm townreading as much.

I'm talking before my long list.
Obviously.

[farside22]

Why is Cooldog scum tirus?

[farside22]

She attacked me to dodge giving reads. I am ok with RR pushing there.

You don't think that farside wondering why you got on her more about giving a full readslist and didn't for shiro isn't something she would find noteworthy as town?

What do you think of their reasons for the push there.

That's a false narrative. I asked Farside to do it twice. Shiro once. It's not like I grilled her. Shiro also engaged me reasonably.

That's where I answered you Farside, now for some comparisons.

That really doesn't explain the favoritism in regards to shiro giving you 3 reads and being okay with it and calling mine bad badically.

As for kling the thing with dgb and her is weird. The late miller claim is questionable, sometimes when I read kling post I feel like I'm reading someone playing a completely different game

.

[farside22]

Great, I'm not going to engage in a semantic battle no one is going to read.

Care to comment on Klingon now? I even bold it. I've asked you for your thoughts on that slot like 10 times by now. For someone who harps on that I allegedly didn't answer questions, how could you miss that?

Should I bold things from now on since reading my post is an issue for you.

[farside22]

So you think she's scum then.

I know it's not the best awnser but I don't know.
I'm trying to see the scum motive behind the weirdness and the Miller claim and the push on mastin.
It's like a kid you look at and go are you in need on help or did you get lost?
Then the other person thinks well it's a good way to float by looking crazy.

[farside22]

Klingon's miller claim wasn't late at all farside.

DGBs ascetic claim was though.

-Cerb

I thought she claimed day 2?

[farside22]

Should at I will be open to vote for Loop

I am hesitant to move on the CD wagon till Loop gets atleast kinda caught up. I will be open to a lynch after that

Waits for someone to call that a slip.