Open 652- Making Friends and Enemies: Over

[Thor665]

In post 1071, texcat wrote:
I can't tell you how much I hate this either/or choice of yours. It sure looks like scum trying to set town up for two mislynches to me. Why are you so sure that it's TvS and not TvT or SvS??? I would have expected a scum!Thor to continue his tunnel on me.

When did I become a town read for you, and why do you claim empty meta on me?

I have a slight town lean on Thor because he's questioned Naru:

And I have a town read on Thor because he didn't have any problem communicating the case on me. He looks like he's actually scum hunting.

I'm not sure what "empty meta" means. I was just saying what I would have expected you (or anyone who spent the entire day tunneling me) to do if you were scum.

A page 13 callback when we're on Page 40+ and you indicated a few posts back willingness to vote for me strikes me as exceedingly weak.

The 'empty meta' is you have no clue how I do or don't tunnel - and very little has actually changed from yesterday to today with my read as far as you. In fact I even noted that I still scum read you but feel slightly better due to your placement on a wagon in juxtaposition to Karnos - that's hardly shifting off of you.

I kind of feel like you're tossing the town read out as a slight buddy towards me/desire to hop onto the more active wagon.

[PenguinPower]

Why is Thor scum Penguin?

D1: Parks vote on texcat. Makes one remark on Hark wagon, no remarks on karnos wagon/lynch, posts "spare you the wall, here's some questions" two hours after the hammer. Creates valid distancing from lynched scum.
D2: Parks vote on naru...and we'll see.

The rest of the crap he's doing he would do as town because it's good to ask questions. He would also do it as scum because it makes him look town, so I'm ignoring it. I don't believe that both remaining scum bussed their buddy - though they could have I guess - so that means one was off. Right now I think that's Thor. NM and Loops slot just haven't done much of anything. I'm meh on texcat still.

[Thor665]

So you agree Tex is 'meh' making my push there fine.
You also agree I'm "distanced" from Karnos suggesting there isn't clear scum connection.
You also complain about a defense of a non-flipped slot - which is only scummy if that slot is scum, making it a non-tell at the moment, and also backwards to lynch me first.
You state my iso otherwise is full of stuff I'd do as town.

...why do you scum read me again?

[Thor665]

Also, to suggest I only made one remark about Hark is just plainly untrue.
Why do you claim that?

[PenguinPower]

So you agree Tex is 'meh' making my push there fine.

You also agree I'm "distanced" from Karnos suggesting there isn't clear scum connection.

You also complain about a defense of a non-flipped slot - which is only scummy if that slot is scum, making it a non-tell at the moment, and also backwards to lynch me first.
You state my iso otherwise is full of stuff I'd do as town.

...why do you scum read me again?

I think it's intentional distancing.

[Thor665]

Why is it intentional as opposed to natural reactions?

[Thor665]

Also, defend the really bad claim that I didn't weigh in on the Hark wagon.
People were complaining I was straight up defending him yesterday (and I agree with that) so to suggest I did so in a distant manner, or only once is just 'whuh?'

[texcat]

A page 13 callback when we're on Page 40+ and you indicated a few posts back willingness to vote for me strikes me as exceedingly weak.

You asked since when was I town reading you. And I answered the question. Not sure what's exceedingly weak about it.

I could definitely vote Thor if he sticks to his Texcat tunnel again toDay.

And yes, I did say I would vote you if you continued your tunnel. That's pretty consistent with what I said to Naru about expecting a scum!Thor to continue tunneling.

The problem with a tunnel is that it allows someone to quit scum hunting, to quit considering the options, and just focus on one person and keep repeating the same case. And I thought you were doing that and end of day yesterday. If you had continued, I would vote you for it.

And it's similar to what Naru did with his either/or choice, except I find the false either/or choice to be worse. He practically announces that he's not going to do any scum hunting until he lynches both of us.

So overall I'm fine with voting either of these two at the moment and will probs flip flop between the two until I figure out which one I think is the scum out of the two of them.

If you got that I was buddying you out of all that, then I'd guess you've got lots of friends.

[PenguinPower]

Also, to suggest I only made one remark about Hark is just plainly untrue.
Why do you claim that?

I didn't say you only made one remark about Hark. I said you did about the Hark wagon. 737

p-edit

Because that's what I think right now.

[Thor665]

You asked since when was I town reading you. And I answered the question. Not sure what's exceedingly weak about it.

That it required a deep early dig, and not a recent posting shift.

And yes, I did say I would vote you if you continued your tunnel. That's pretty consistent with what I said to Naru about expecting a scum!Thor to continue tunneling.

So town read would flip to a scumread if I kept calling you scum.
Yeah, that fits my vibe about this - I have no idea why that seems shocking to you.

The problem with a tunnel is that it allows someone to quit scum hunting, to quit considering the options, and just focus on one person and keep repeating the same case. And I thought you were doing that and end of day yesterday. If you had continued, I would vote you for it.

That also requires ignoring my constant interactions with other people, and opinions offered on them and their actions.
There's a difference between maintaining a larger scumread and tunneling - one day people will learn it and I can stop listening to comments like this.

If you got that I was buddying you out of all that, then I'd guess you've got lots of friends.

I do.

Also, to suggest I only made one remark about Hark is just plainly untrue.
Why do you claim that?

I didn't say you only made one remark about Hark. I said you did about the Hark wagon. 737

What's the difference between saying;
"I town read Hark"
and
"I think the Hark wagon will result in a flip of a town player"

Because I *REALLY* don't get the difference.
Explain it?

Because that's what I think right now.

I know you think that, you made it very clear.
I'm wondering why you think that - that's what I asked.

[Harkonnen97]

vote naru!!!

[PenguinPower]

What's the difference between saying;
"I town read Hark"
and
"I think the Hark wagon will result in a flip of a town player"

Because I *REALLY* don't get the difference.
Explain it?

What? What does that even have to do with what I said?

I know you think that, you made it very clear.
I'm wondering why you think that - that's what I asked.

Because it's a good opportunity, so I think you took it.

[NJAC]

@BBT:

Will explain both when I can get on my laptop.

[Thor665]

What's the difference between saying;
"I town read Hark"
and
"I think the Hark wagon will result in a flip of a town player"

Because I *REALLY* don't get the difference.
Explain it?

What? What does that even have to do with what I said?

It's what I perceive you as saying - since I'm apparently misunderstanding you, why don't you take some time and explain what you actually meant.
I'm being clear in what I think - please be clear in your own thoughts.

Because it's a good opportunity, so I think you took it.

So basically you think I did it because theoretically I could have done it.
So 'gut' is the core of your case on me to make me scum since otherwise you agree I'm doing what I'd do as town, correct?
If this is not correct - what are the scummy actions that have evidence to back them up? (maybe that one comment thing I'm asking you to explain?)

[Zyf]

vote naru!!!

i could, i'm liking penguin rn
VOTE: naru

[Harkonnen97]

penguin is still scummy as balls and still needs to die eventually

[PenguinPower]

I'm being clear in what I think - please be clear in your own thoughts.

I don't know how much clearer I can get than:

Makes one remark on Hark wagon, no remarks on karnos wagon/lynch

So 'gut' is the core of your case on me to make me scum since otherwise you agree I'm doing what I'd do as town, correct?

Of course. But that's the advice you give to newbie scum players, so why wouldn't I expect you to do that as either. You can't play this game based completely on logic.

If you had participated/commented/questioned like you're doing now on the Hark/karnos wagons yesterday, I wouldn't have my vote on you right now.

[NJAC]

I think the last two scum are in {Naru, BBT, N_M}.

[Save The Dragons]

The

must...find...coffee...

vote count

5 Narurider (NJAC, Thor665, texcat, Harkonnen97, Zyf)

4 Thor665 (Not_Mafia, Dunnstral, Narurider, PenguinPower)
1 PenguinPower (BlueBloodedeToffee)
1 Not_Mafia (DeasVail)

Not Voting: Nobody

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Night will fall in (expired on 2016-10-03 13:10:33)

[Harkonnen97]

I think they are in {Naru, Penguin, Thor}

[Thor665]

I'm being clear in what I think - please be clear in your own thoughts.

I don't know how much clearer I can get than:

Makes one remark on Hark wagon, no remarks on karnos wagon/lynch

I agree that is clear, but that brings me back to my question that you claimed was strange.
My question is how is "Hark is a town read of mine" and "Hark's wagon will result in a town flip" qualifies as two different types of comments in your mind for claiming that I was not offering opinion on the wagon?

Of course. But that's the advice you give to newbie scum players, so why wouldn't I expect you to do that as either. You can't play this game based completely on logic.

I will agree that your case lacks supporting logic.

If you had participated/commented/questioned like you're doing now on the Hark/karnos wagons yesterday, I wouldn't have my vote on you right now.

Uh-huh...

[Not_Mafia]

Scum is in {Thor, BBT, Thor, Thor, Zyf, Thor, BBT, Thor, Thor, Thor, BBT}

[Thor665]

That is funny, but is a direct dodge of a valid concern about your stated reads.

@N_M

[Not_Mafia]

What was the problem again?

[Not_Mafia]

Fuck it VOTE: Naruinder