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Post Post #6175 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:23 am

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In post 6173, MathBlade wrote:Nope. We need less kills.

Let's assume you are the town vig.

Then tomorrow it is 1 scum 5 alive.

Let's assume you are the SK and we lynch you same answer.

Let's assume you are the SK and we don't lynch you and lynch scum and the game doesn't end.

1 SK remains >> you GG no re.

Let's assume you are the SK and we lynch town.

1 v 4 with two scum left and the two towns have to lynch the other townie and hope scum cross kill.

Objectively lynching you is the best thing we can do.
There is no SK. There is not enough kills for an SK,
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Post Post #6176 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:25 am

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In post 6174, Almost50 wrote:
In post 6170, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 6161, Almost50 wrote:
In post 6147, Lapsa wrote:@a50 why are you favoring SK lynch over blue lynch?
Because I'm a doctor and I may be able to save the Mafia kill target. I cannot stop the SK though bc they are Strongman as evident by the Shaziro kill whom I was protecting. I thought I explained that already in my post addressing Rach.
Most likely you were blocked. There is no SK, and I'm not a strongman.
Blocked by whom?? Check the claims again and keep in mind there's a max of fake claims. Now let's assume Lapsa is JOAT with a Roleblocker shot and he did block me. Where did the OTHER kills come from? In fact, forget Lapsa. Assume ANYONE is a Roleblocker or has a RB shot and used it on me. That would only mean ONE NK left, bc they could not have RB'd AND killed in the same night as per the rules.

So, NO. I was NOT RB'd bc there has been TWO NKs, which means Blue Scum opted to perform a KILL over taking any other action (if they still have unused shots).
Gee, doc, it seems like you have my kills and you have Elyse's kills and a brain.

Figure out the kills for each mafia.

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Post Post #6177 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:26 am

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*there's a max of (TWO) fake claims, (if any.)

Also, no. YOU need to explain the Shaziro kill because YOU are the one suggesting no SK.

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Post Post #6178 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:30 am

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In post 6176, PeregrineV wrote:Gee, doc, it seems like you have my kills and you have Elyse's kills and a brain.
Well, I did use my brain and it told me you are the SK. Elyse is a 2-shot Vig and ran out of shots after N3. The backup Vig was included in case Elyse got lynched/NK'd in the opening 3 days (or opted to skip a shot to wait for a clearer picture but got killed before she used it). I don't see the town having a regular killer each night PLUS a 2-shot vig PLUS a backup for the two.

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Post Post #6179 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:32 am

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Like, if we had a full vig AND a backup vig, then Elyse's role becomes overly powered. She could've played exactly the same and survived as long but w/o using her shots. She would now have been able to collaborate with the "imaginary" town vig that's you and got BOTH scum shot tonight. That's too town-sided.

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Post Post #6180 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:54 am

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Before everyone gets in a big huff we have to remember there might not be an SK because the setup WAS changed from 5:5:32. It's at least 6:6:30, maybe 6:6:1:29. So the change could have been reflecting the additional members to each scumteam, not necessarily the addition of an SK.

Though I do agree if there's an SK it has to be Pere.

But we can leash him now and force him to shoot, say, Narna, if Lapsa flips town.

Is there a flaw in this plan I'm missing?
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Post Post #6181 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:04 am

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See my prior post.

We have a strong likelihood of losing if we don't lynch PV.
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Post Post #6182 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:05 am

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In post 6173, MathBlade wrote:Nope. We need less kills.

Let's assume you are the town vig.

Then tomorrow it is 1 scum 5 alive.

Let's assume you are the SK and we lynch you same answer.

Let's assume you are the SK and we don't lynch you and lynch scum and the game doesn't end.

1 SK remains >> you GG no re.

Let's assume you are the SK and we lynch town.

1 v 4 with two scum left and the two towns have to lynch the other townie and hope scum cross kill.

Objectively lynching you is the best thing we can do.
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Post Post #6183 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:09 am

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In post 6180, Elyse wrote:Before everyone gets in a big huff we have to remember there might not be an SK because the setup WAS changed from 5:5:32. It's at least 6:6:30, maybe 6:6:1:29. So the change could have been reflecting the additional members to each scumteam, not necessarily the addition of an SK.

Though I do agree if there's an SK it has to be Pere.

But we can leash him now and force him to shoot, say, Narna, if Lapsa flips town.

Is there a flaw in this plan I'm missing?
What if -as you propose- Lapsa flips town, and PV shoots someone else like you, me, or Rach? At the same time Narna -again since you proposed him to be the last Blue scum IF Lapsa flips town) shoots another one?

We start the next day with Both PV and Narna alive and only 2 townies their to oppose them. We lose control on lynch, in other words, and we are under their mercy (we need them both to shoot eachother). Even worse, if PV is also BP, he's already won unless narna votes him for the lynch in which case Narna wins.

Also, I assure you there IS AN SK, AND HE IS A STRONGMAN TOO. Which part of this seems to allude everyone's perception/attention? I protected Shaziro last night and he still got shot. I was either RB'd (as PV suggested) or a STRONGMAN bypassed me. I could NOT have been RB'd bc id there's an RB still then they're lying, and if they're lying they're scum, and if they're scum they could not have killed AND used their RB shot, so WHERE did the 2nd kill come from??

Do you realize that PV claimed all his action EXCEPT his N9 target?

@PV: Which of the two did you shoot last night??

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Post Post #6184 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:12 am

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Ok worst case scenario:

We lynch Lapsa and he flips town

Leaving us with:
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Scum kills A50 or RachMarie (wait A50 why didn't you protect RachMarie?)

We force Pere to kill Narna. Narna flips town. Rach/Almost flips town. Leaving us with:

PeregrineV
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Almost50/RachMarie
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If Pere is SK and Math is scum (what did math claim? sorry I'm awful with remembering claims this game) then we are screwed but leashing Pere will give us a higher chance of killing scum first and then lynching him if the game doesn't end. And if he doesn't listen then we lynch him and blue scum wins. So if he is SK, his best chance of winning is to listen to us anyway.

P-edit: Yeah the strongman thing is important, and neither Varsoon or Shaziro really makes sense as a vig kill.
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Post Post #6185 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:17 am

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going with town VOTE: Pere
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Post Post #6186 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:21 am

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In post 6184, Elyse wrote:Ok worst case scenario:

We lynch Lapsa and he flips town

Leaving us with:
PeregrineV
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RachMarie
Elyse
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Mathblade

Scum kills A50 or RachMarie (wait A50 why didn't you protect RachMarie?)

We force Pere to kill Narna. Narna flips town. Rach/Almost flips town. Leaving us with:

PeregrineV
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Almost50/RachMarie
Mathblade

If Pere is SK and Math is scum (what did math claim? sorry I'm awful with remembering claims this game) then we are screwed but leashing Pere will give us a higher chance of killing scum first and then lynching him if the game doesn't end. And if he doesn't listen then we lynch him and blue scum wins. So if he is SK, his best chance of winning is to listen to us anyway.

P-edit: Yeah the strongman thing is important, and neither Varsoon or Shaziro really makes sense as a vig kill.
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Post Post #6187 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:24 am

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that is a really bizarre claim lol he should have called you macho vt neighbor

like all the other vts were I believe which basically made the neos pretty worthless. except in conjunction with the VCs
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Post Post #6188 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:27 am

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I left out the citizen *sigh* I claimed the spirit not word for word as that can be considered PM quoting
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Post Post #6189 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:46 am

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In post 6184, Elyse wrote:Scum kills A50 or RachMarie (wait A50 why didn't you protect RachMarie?)
Because Shaziro was a FOLLOWER, so he had the potential of catching scum last night. I protected Rach the night before and we had THREE bodies, so figured I figured scum want to get rid of the informative roles first, and they did.

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Post Post #6190 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:13 am

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You right, you right. It was the right protection, just wanted to make sure the logic panned out.

@Math
The thing is that if Pere doesn't listen to us, we lynch him immediately and blue scum wins if we lynch town + two townies are killed. So he if is SK, then shooting blue scum is the only way for him to win.
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Post Post #6191 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:28 am

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(1): Elyse

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Post Post #6192 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:30 am

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Post Post #6193 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:05 am

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The night has expired. You know what else expired?

Mathblade -
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They were killed Night 10.

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Post Post #6194 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:32 am

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VOTE: Elyse

I was goofy and made a bad deduction. You do NOT put a backup "anything" for a 2-shot "that role". You do that for full role. I realized my mistake too late (overnight).

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Post Post #6195 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:21 am

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WTF they killed Math over me?

uggh

SO sorry about that hammer I lost track of the votes :( Or I would have declared intent first and made sure everyone had had their say.

So we lynched the town vig and now we have to lynch the last one looks like there is no SK after all?

why not lapsa ?
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Post Post #6196 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:55 am

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I'll go for Lapsa if you wan him first. It doesn't matter now. Lapsa in Blue JOAT, Elyse is SK, and there IS an SK bc they killed Shaziro whom I was protecting.

Elyse skipped her kill in a gambit to precisely make us think there is no SK. I won't go over possibilities, but you will be tonight's kill for sure, so the remaining 3 (including herself) are not confirmed.

Anyway, I'm willing to switch to Lapsa if you want me to. Just please do another one last VC analysis and put down your recommendation for tomorrow's lynch (assuming the game doesn't end with the lynch of Lapsa).

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Post Post #6197 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:05 pm

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yeah not gonna vote in a hurry especially since this is basically MYLO
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Post Post #6198 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:50 pm

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almost50, i'm paranoid of you

with Pere's flip and claimed vighits - SK must have been inactive on kills for most part of the game

and i dislike you mentioning skipping kills - freezer guy in previous game called that as an MVP move

yet you are the only one who provides a tangible proof for existence of SK
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Post Post #6199 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:15 pm

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on JOAT saga - should have just accepted my lynch yesterday.
now whole game is at stake

i claim town tracker


followed some people - they performed some actions.
glue it together on your own - town fake claims are dumb

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