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[rb]

VOTE: House

Okay then, chugga chugga choo choo!

[camn]

Townbloc -
Camn
Spyrex
Probably BBT

Scum -
House

Unknown -
All others. For now.


And for the haters: these opinions are based on solid reasoning and hard bona fide scum slips. I will lay out the case when the time is right. For now, work with me, and it will all be revealed before the end.

P-edit - good, rb. Good.

[rb]

I'll be sure to skip the cases part.

[rb]

If anyone wants me to answer stuff just put @rb in your post so I can ignore it.

[MathBlade]

V/LA til Monday

[camn]

I need your vote on House before you go, please.

[MathBlade]

Haven't had a chance to see why Expedience was killed after the flip and responses so no. I will catch up and investigate before a vote.

[camn]

Ok, Math. But we are running House up to L-1 today.

Also House, before you get any more scared/defensive.... I am 85% sure about your alignment right now.
If you play ball with me, then I will be 98% sure by the end of the day

if you are town OR scum

.

If you are town, you want this. Because if you are town, I will know it, and so will everyone else.
If you are scum, obviously you don't want this, and so you won't play ball. But if you are town - work with me. If we follow my logic trail, your alignment will be revealed.

And it will happen. Either the easy way or the hard way.

[Titus]

House, why am I obvious town?

[MathBlade]

Ok, Math. But we are running House up to L-1 today.

Also House, before you get any more scared/defensive.... I am 85% sure about your alignment right now.
If you play ball with me, then I will be 98% sure by the end of the day

if you are town OR scum

.

If you are town, you want this. Because if you are town, I will know it, and so will everyone else.
If you are scum, obviously you don't want this, and so you won't play ball. But if you are town - work with me. If we follow my logic trail, your alignment will be revealed.

And it will happen. Either the easy way or the hard way.

I think it is Chuck+RB more than anything because Expedience died and it seemed like TVS in that mix. I don't think there is four scum in the game because that would be ridiculous for a game of this size. But if House is scum then BBT is NAI. He could have done it for towncred.

However I don't think House would try to blatantly try to manipulate me with numbers like that if scum. It is easily traceable.

[House]

House, why am I obvious town?

I'll tell you later.

[House]

Also House, before you get any more scared/defensive.... I am 85% sure about your alignment right now.
If you play ball with me, then I will be 98% sure by the end of the day if you are town OR scum.

And where have I looked either scared or defensive?

I told you how to obtain my cooperation. You're halfway there.

[SpyreX]

Sooooo I've got a potential wrinkle.

I'm a 1 shot vig. I shot expedience last night. Which means we should go a crumb hunting.

[Chuck]

Sooooo I've got a potential wrinkle.

I'm a 1 shot vig. I shot expedience last night. Which means we should go a crumb hunting.

Well that certainly puts a damper on my "Expedience would have jailed me so I can't be scum" line of reasoning. In fact it makes me look downright shady.

So I'm seeing a number of possibilities, knowing my own role and alignment I can definitely say Expedience dying is not my fault, so that means:

1. SpyreX is lying. And is scum who shot Expedience. And is paranoid of a track/watch which pins him to the kill, or is trying to get ahead of that, and draw out a potential cop claim too.

2. SpyreX is telling the truth, which means either scum no-killed (very unlikely), shot the same person (I've seen it happen before, and it has interesting ramifications), or scum was blocked/jailed (most likely option, in my opinion).

[Chuck]

If SpyreX and scum both shot Expedience then I don't even know what that means.

Either way like was already said, we need to find out who he probably jailed.

[Chuck]

VOTE: Dierfire

I read from page 84 without automatically skipping long posts and it hurt =( Don't like Dierfire's push on Cass, it feels manufactured like he was looking for reasons to scumread someone rather than evaluating from all the analysis he did throughout the game. There's really nothing else though and this is a compromise, I can't read his tone or distinguish between playstyle or anything.

These are my reads since they settled:

{House, rb, Saru}
{Mathblade, BBT, SpyreX}
{pitoli, Dierfire}
{Cass}
{Chuck}

This is the only thing I can find which feels like a pointer to who he would have jailed, and it implicated me most prominently, followed by Cass/camn. So that part, while not a total dead end, is not very helpful.

However the possibility also remains that he jailed as a means of protecting someone. Which means he could have either jailed right, or jailed very very wrong, and in fact could have been right by proxy. So House, rb, and Saru are people I could all see being who he jailed.

All this assumes it's not just simply that scum and town might both have wanted him dead. Which also implicates me. So that's fun.

SoyreX could have been doing this to me on purpose I suppose, since I probably have the greatest chance of reading him correctly.

SpyreX, why did you shoot Expedience?

[Chuck]

Townbloc -
Camn
Spyrex
Probably BBT

Scum -
House

Unknown -
All others. For now.


And for the haters: these opinions are based on solid reasoning and hard bona fide scum slips. I will lay out the case when the time is right. For now, work with me, and it will all be revealed before the end.

P-edit - good, rb. Good.

What is the reasoning for these reads?

[SpyreX]

To be fair i almost shot house.
If you look back my biggest were saru, exp and house. Exp playing interference when I was taking to bbt well that gets you shot .

That and i had a csi miami pun to give the mod when i put the kill in

[House]

If SpyreX and scum both shot Expedience then I don't even know what that means.

Either way like was already said, we need to find out who he probably jailed.

Why would scum shoot Expedience over BBT?

[SpyreX]

VOTE: house

[House]

To be fair i almost shot house.

That's just hurtful.

[SpyreX]

Hey i wouldn't have liked it exactly.
I mean i would have but i wouldn't have

[MathBlade]

Sooooo I've got a potential wrinkle.

I'm a 1 shot vig. I shot expedience last night. Which means we should go a crumb hunting.

Well that certainly puts a damper on my "Expedience would have jailed me so I can't be scum" line of reasoning. In fact it makes me look downright shady.

So I'm seeing a number of possibilities, knowing my own role and alignment I can definitely say Expedience dying is not my fault, so that means:

1. SpyreX is lying. And is scum who shot Expedience. And is paranoid of a track/watch which pins him to the kill, or is trying to get ahead of that, and draw out a potential cop claim too.

2. SpyreX is telling the truth, which means either scum no-killed (very unlikely), shot the same person (I've seen it happen before, and it has interesting ramifications), or scum was blocked/jailed (most likely option, in my opinion).

VOTE: Chuck

Chuck doesn't even hypothesize that Expedience could have saved the person who would have been shot.

Chuck seems smart why is he not pointing out all potential angles?

[MathBlade]

If SpyreX and scum both shot Expedience then I don't even know what that means.

Either way like was already said, we need to find out who he probably jailed.

Why would scum shoot Expedience over BBT?

House you aren't this bad either.

If BBT is a cop it could be wine.
If BBT is a cop Expedience could have jailkept BBT.

If BBT is not a cop and you are just wrong and Expedience didn't trust you he could have jailkept someone else and they were shot.


Cmon Chuck and House this is terribad.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: House