Wake's Massive Role Madness - Game Over

[Narna]

VOTE: Lapsa

I think he's blue scum and I'd rather go head to head with Almost knowing blue is dead first.

Why didn't you vote for the vig counterclaim last phase?

[Almost50]

Nope. I'll even hammer since you agree.

VOTE: Lapsa

[RachMarie]

VOTE: Lapsa

lets make it unanimous save for him then

[mhsmith0]

Official Vote Count

Day 11 Final

Lapsa

(3): Narna, Elyse, Almost50 LYNCH!

Narna

(1): Lapsa

Not Voting

(1): RachMarie

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-06 13:00:00)

[mhsmith0]

lapsa,

blue Mafia JOAT - gunsmith, tracker, follower, commuter, vanilla cop, voyeur

, has been lynched.

The Blue Mafia faction has been eliminated from the game

It is now Night 11

Submit all Night Actions by 3pm, 9/26/16.

(expired on 2016-09-26 15:00:00)

Mod Note

: I will impose speed deadlines tonight (end night upon receipt of all night actions) upon unanimous consent. If you are still alive please contact me to let me know if you consent or not.

Good luck everyone!

[mhsmith0]

The night has expired. You know what else expired?

No one was killed Night 11.



It is now Day 12.

(expired on 2016-10-08 16:00:00)

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch!

[RachMarie]

holy cow wow

[Narna]

Spooky

[RachMarie]

well especially that fast it tells me that everyone was right on the PMs with night actions and with agreeing to speed deadline

So we have a no kill

we know both red and blue scum teams have been eliminated.

A50 says it has to be a strongman SK who can overpower a doc, BUT he bases that on the shaziro hit I want to take a closer look at that, also sometimes they have a X shot strongman I have seen that before so it does not mean the SK is still strong man.

[RachMarie]

Ok going to do some other stuff give the other two a chance to speak and come back to this I need a good hard think here

[Elyse]

How I see it is that if the SK is actually a strongman, then there's no way Rach would be alive.

But I also don't see Almost no killing either...unless he thinks he has Rach so deep in his pocket that she won't reconsider her stance?

@Narna
Is there any way you could stop the kill?

[Narna]

Rach how long have you been townreading a50? It's silly that a day 1 mason claim made it to lylo. Not dying tonight makes sense because of the no-kill wine, but why did the sk prioritize the other masons and just stop killing them? If Rach was openly townreading a50 early, it would make sense to keep her around.

I have no abilities Elyse.

[Narna]

VOTE: Lapsa

I think he's blue scum and I'd rather go head to head with Almost knowing blue is dead first.

Why didn't you vote for the vig counterclaim last phase?

[Elyse]

I thought since the beginning there were multiple town vigs. In a game this large I'd expect as much. At first I thought there would be another 2-shot non consecutive vig, but PerV being a full vig and me being 2-shot non consecutive made the backup more interesting. If I died first I'd assume he'd take my abilities rather than being a full vig like Pere.

Idk claiming vig as SK just isn't reliable in the long run and Pere's kills seemed like vig kills for the most part.

[Elyse]

VOTE: Almost50

[Almost50]

well especially that fast it tells me that everyone was right on the PMs with night actions and with agreeing to speed deadline

I was. I even said to skip the night altogether if we could, but I really didn't see it coming that fast!

@Rach:

My statement still stands. Whether it be x-shot or not is for anyone to guess though. I'm lynching the "other" town vig and that's that.

There has never been a night with 5 kills all game, yes? We had Red scum, Blue scum & PV as the town Vig. We know there to be an SK still alive since the game is still ongoing despite the fact both Blue & Red teams are finished.

So that's FOUR kills if they all go through. Where does a SECOND vig-shot fit in? Elyse claimed having successfully shot someone on both N1 & N3. We had 4 and 3 kills on those specific nights, respectively. Do you think a good save was made on N1, and TWO were made on N3?

Also, early enough in the game I stated my suspicion of Elyse, and she suspected me back. Now tell me why I wasn't one of her 2 shots (both landed on Town players anyway, by her own admission). In fact, let me dig it up for you. Hang on.

ok so ira, Rach, Almost, CookieBakers, boring scum

VOTE: Hot Chocolate

Also fine with lynching Cookie and Almost and BlackStar and Lapsa and maybe more I'm forgetting but I get people don't want to lynch Titus D1 so ok fine we can lynch her d2.

VOTE: CCC

I will say however that Ira, you made an idiotic decision and that happens sometimes. I've been there. But when it does happen you can't point fingers at everyone else. You were wrong. Admit it and move on. /endrant

P-edit: Bacde is a great vote too
I also implore people to look at Almost and Lapsa.

There are so many people I want to lynch but DGB/Egg/TownBlock/Accountant/Almost/Lapsa/Bacde are probably above CCC at this point.

VOTE: Egg

I WANT SKYBIRD DEAD

I am still down with a TownBlock lynch but also open to lynching Long Island medium, Skybird, Almost, hebichan, and probably others I will tell you when I come around to posting my giant reads list

See also 2366, 2370 & 2379 for more examples of outright suspecting me over the opening 2 days. She also did some mudslinging on Skelda & Drixx (2447 & 3359)

So, ira, Rach, Almost, CookieBakers, boring, BlackStar, Lapsa, CCC, Bacde, Egg, Skelda, DGB, TownBlock, Skybird, Long & hebi, but the one most consistently appearing on all her reads is ME.

Now tell me how come she never shot me?

Also, this is irrelevamt to the above point but goes to show how opportunistic she has been right from the word go.

ok time to turbolynch Hot Chocolate everybody hop on lets go

[Almost50]

How I see it is that if the SK is actually a strongman, then there's no way Rach would be alive.

But I also don't see Almost no killing either...unless he thinks he has Rach so deep in his pocket that she won't reconsider her stance?

@Narna
Is there any way you could stop the kill?

The first line I had already predicted to be your tactic from yesterday. If you killed Narna it would be me and Rach against you. If you killed Me it would be Rach and Narna against you. rach already said she won't be lynching either me or Narna, so it would have been a situation in which you didn't even have the time to manipulate your way out of the hole you're too deep in.

Shooting Rach might have been an option, but then you knew I would still vote you and Narna isn't stupid, so he probably would have opted to vote you over me.

However, a 4-person MyLo is good enough bc you need all 3 of us to agree to lynch you, which is going to take some time, and you might somehow manage to sway someone's vote.

The second part is you trying to "split" me from Rach. That won't work either. She may reconsider, and reconsider, and reconsider, but I have faith in her. She demonstrated her skills back in Gistou and once more here about Math being Town. I even sheeped her on that one out of faith.

As for Narna, his role is weird, but his play is consistent. A quick look at the VCs shows he has been actively lynching scum, unlike you who would vote on any wagon.

For example, you lynched HC on D1. Narna ended up voting SCUM!CCC and I was not voting.

There has not been a lynch wagon you were not on with the exception of PV's, which shows you just want someone to get lynched as long as it wasn't you. This is the SK play main characteristic.

VOTE: Elyse

[Almost50]

Forget it, Elyse. You're toast. Even if Narna still has doubts he will have to yield to myself and Rach stubbornly voting you, but you know what? I'll make him an offer:

@Narna:

This is your first game with me, right? Vote Elyse, and if she's not the SK you can vote me off the bat in each and every game we meet from here to eternity. You can tunnel me in all future games we ever play in together on the basis that I'm a manipulative evil player. How say you??

[Elyse]

You're still ignoring the fact that there were four kills on Night 2 and Egg roleblocked me.

And you saying "shooting Rach might have been an option, but then you knew I would still vote you and Narna isn't stupid, so he probably would have opted to vote you over me" is complete horseshit. WIFOM or not, there's no way in hell I'm taking a conftown who thinks I'm SK to LyLo. The only way for you to be town is for a strongman SK to exist. And if that does exist, there's no way Rach would alive right now.

You can't have it both ways. Bringing Rach was a gamble and it's backfiring. Yeah you have another voice in your corner and more help to convince Narna, but you didn't think about what would make sense from my PoV.

[Almost50]

You're still ignoring the fact that there were four kills on Night 2 and Egg roleblocked me.

And you saying "shooting Rach might have been an option, but then you knew I would still vote you and Narna isn't stupid, so he probably would have opted to vote you over me" is complete horseshit. WIFOM or not, there's no way in hell I'm taking a conftown who thinks I'm SK to LyLo. The only way for you to be town is for a strongman SK to exist. And if that does exist, there's no way Rach would alive right now.

You can't have it both ways. Bringing Rach was a gamble and it's backfiring. Yeah you have another voice in your corner and more help to convince Narna, but you didn't think about what would make sense from my PoV.

You're a STRONGMAN. I had been under the same assumption the strongman can only bypass protection on their victim (Doctor/JK/BP/BG .. etc.) but not a restrictive on themselves (JK/RB.. etc.). I was wrong and it was pointed to me in a game I was scum in. Strongman will bypass a Jailer/Roleblocker on them as well.

But I'm willing to consider if (and ONLY IF) you show me a quote from the wiki that states otherwise.

Btw, the game in concern is here. Check posts #6234 (shannon), 6238 (Almost50) & 6239 (Zachstralkita). They both agreed a strongman can bypass a JK/RB.

[Almost50]

Shoot! Forgot to link the

game

To elaborate: If you can show me the wiki says the Strongman CANNOT bypass a Roleblock, then the only option I'd have would be Narna. However, as it stands I cannot see Narna as the SK with his play all through the game.

[Elyse]

Ok I thought that strongman could be rb'd.

The point still stands that I would never enter MyLo with a mason opposing me when I could enter LyLo with her dead.

[Narna]

I think our sk is a ninja. I don't see thor covering for the sk with blue scum still up, and while he was under fire.

How do we feel about ninja strongman sks on this site?

[Almost50]

A Mafia or Serial Killer aligned Ninja is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.

A Mafia or Serial Killer aligned Strongman is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.

This role modifier is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. Bulletproof protects against any kill made by any faction.

So I presume any of the 3, or any combination of the 3 is still normal. I'm not positively sure though.

[RachMarie]

Not too long ago Slan won a game as both ninja and strongman as a SK I voted for hebi over him big mistake not gonna make that one again lol

Narna should remember Slan as the mysterious pen pal for Pere in Homestuck LOL