Micro 642: Auction Mafia TOWN WINS!

[Charloux]

hm. if farside is actually scum, everything gets really complicated.

lane, did you ever explain when you ended up townreading her enough to give her the cop result? i know you had her at lean town at some point yesterday.

This seems to me like scum asking for their partners help.

[lane0168]

@All: Btw, did Lane really give the cop result to Farside?
The first thing he should've done when the day started was ask Farside for results, right? But he only did that AFTER Mc said he jailed Farside. So what happened was that Lane actually sent his results to his partner(Not Chara), but after learning Farside was jailed he said that he gave them to her because 1)That would explain why there was no result; 2)He would get some town cred; 3)Town wouldn't be able to track him via points because they would think scum didn't get the cop at all.

Why would I give a cop result to my partner?

I wouldn't claim who I gave it to if mcmenno didn't say he jk Farside. Why would I? I'm not sure of Farsides alignment, and you can get a lot of information about associations from what she said with flips, ie if she said you're town then you happened to hammer super Saint. The right play is to let them come out with it themselves.

1)that does explain the no result
2)viable
3)what ?

[lane0168]

Farside, why won't you answer why Charloux is town?

[Charloux]

3)what ?

If town knows that scum took the cop role, they could narrow down the suspects by tracking the money spent so far.

[lane0168]

I claimed it so town wouldn't be able to figure out the scum that got it? Let's just move past that one, cause I don't really know what you're saying

[farside22]

Charloux, why do you think not chara is scum? You started town leaning there previously. Why do you think a scum gambit is unlikely?

Farside? As far as I remember your town case for Charloux is, he's derpy town.

He also gave me the bomb which I find incredibly bad to do for scum.

Why the hell aren't we considering scum Gambits for town cred? I find that to be highly viable, including a no kill situation.

I'm not dropping my Charloux read. I learned my lesson about doing that.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffft scum no kill gambit.
Doubtful.

Why is Charlo scum lane.
Give me a reason you are scum reading the spot.

I have. Give me a reason he's town.

His "but I'm alive I can't be scum!"
His "but I gave Farside super Saint, I can't be scum"
His "but you said Farside is town, so I can't be scum right?"

None of that are scum tells

Just pointing out what lane is calling scum tells.

[BNL]

Exactly, which is why you should be considering it.

I think they are. Pointing out ridiculous reasons why you can't be scum makes me think you're scum

Do you think his gift to Farside is a "ridiculous reason"?

[Not Chara]

i've only skimmed, but: a no kill gambit has some merit. if they'd killed, we'd be in lylo instead of mylo. and since we'll obviously be lynching anyway... there isn't much difference. scum still need just one mislynch to win. though lane said that earlier.

hm. if farside is actually scum, everything gets really complicated.

lane, did you ever explain when you ended up townreading her enough to give her the cop result? i know you had her at lean town at some point yesterday.

This seems to me like scum asking for their partners help.

how, exactly. i was slightly suspicious of lane's choice in night action, so i asked.

[Not Chara]

BNL/lane is just. it's a weird scumteam.

what i don't see is scum lane fake-claiming to have given the cop to farside, who was jailkept. there's no reason to do it. it doesn't really give him towncred, and it gives him no reasoning/leverage to make the pushes he would want to as scum.

[farside22]

BNL/lane is just. it's a weird scumteam.

what i don't see is scum lane fake-claiming to have given the cop to farside, who was jailkept. there's no reason to do it. it doesn't really give him towncred, and it gives him no reasoning/leverage to make the pushes he would want to as scum.

He didn't claim to send it to me after mcmenno said he jk me.
He probably didn't use it.

[lane0168]

Exactly, which is why you should be considering it.

I think they are. Pointing out ridiculous reasons why you can't be scum makes me think you're scum

Do you think his gift to Farside is a "ridiculous reason"?

No. I think pointing it out along with everything else he keeps pointing out is ridiculous though

[lane0168]

BNL/lane is just. it's a weird scumteam.

what i don't see is scum lane fake-claiming to have given the cop to farside, who was jailkept. there's no reason to do it. it doesn't really give him towncred, and it gives him no reasoning/leverage to make the pushes he would want to as scum.

He didn't claim to send it to me after mcmenno said he jk me.
He probably didn't use it.

I didn't? Then why did Charloux say I did? I'll go look at the order of events, but I'm pretty sure i claimed because you got jk

[farside22]

BNL/lane is just. it's a weird scumteam.

what i don't see is scum lane fake-claiming to have given the cop to farside, who was jailkept. there's no reason to do it. it doesn't really give him towncred, and it gives him no reasoning/leverage to make the pushes he would want to as scum.

Your voting bnl?
You think bnl and who then?

[farside22]

amnesiac copper claim

I jailkept farside

How about we massclaim "Got Cop result" or "No Cop result"?

If someone got a Cop result, we have a cop inno. Otherwise, scum got the cop, and players who have insufficient money are less likely to be scum. In particular, farside and everyone who has at least $52 left can't contain both members of the scumteam.

Farside got the cop. Charloux was the target. First I had it going to you. But I didn't think Farside would be a night kill target.

Order of claims.

[lane0168]

I can think of a much better thing for scum to do with a cop than fake giving it to farside. Can anyone else? Pop quiz

[lane0168]

amnesiac copper claim

I jailkept farside

How about we massclaim "Got Cop result" or "No Cop result"?

If someone got a Cop result, we have a cop inno. Otherwise, scum got the cop, and players who have insufficient money are less likely to be scum. In particular, farside and everyone who has at least $52 left can't contain both members of the scumteam.

Farside got the cop. Charloux was the target. First I had it going to you. But I didn't think Farside would be a night kill target.

Order of claims.

Then why did you just say I didn't claim it after mcmenno claimed?

[lane0168]

Probably missed "until"? And why would I claim it before?

[lane0168]

I can think of a much better thing for scum to do with a cop than fake giving it to farside. Can anyone else? Pop quiz

Hint, it involves faking a guilty. And with people saying my partner is not chara or bnl, that would not be hard. I wouldn't need to fake a cop to farside the jailkept.

[farside22]

BNL/lane is just. it's a weird scumteam.

what i don't see is scum lane fake-claiming to have given the cop to farside, who was jailkept. there's no reason to do it. it doesn't really give him towncred, and it gives him no reasoning/leverage to make the pushes he would want to as scum.

He (lane) didn't claim to send it to me till after mcmenno said he jk me.
He probably didn't use it.

Fixed so it's more clear what I was saying.

[Not Chara]

BNL/lane is just. it's a weird scumteam.

what i don't see is scum lane fake-claiming to have given the cop to farside, who was jailkept. there's no reason to do it. it doesn't really give him towncred, and it gives him no reasoning/leverage to make the pushes he would want to as scum.

He didn't claim to send it to me after mcmenno said he jk me.
He probably didn't use it.

he could have given a fake (or real result) using his scumpartner. i still don't see the reason for scum lane to do this.

[Not Chara]

BNL/lane is just. it's a weird scumteam.

what i don't see is scum lane fake-claiming to have given the cop to farside, who was jailkept. there's no reason to do it. it doesn't really give him towncred, and it gives him no reasoning/leverage to make the pushes he would want to as scum.

Your voting bnl?
You think bnl and who then?

i'm not sure.
if you're town, Charloux is definitely town for giving you the Supersaint Bomb. McMenno is probably town for jailkeeping you. that would leave BNL/lane. but lane's behaviour is very weird as scum. doing what he did makes much less sense as a gambit than doing something like what McMenno did. either way, in this scenario, McMenno/lane as the team makes zero sense. so it would have to be BNL/McMenno or BNL/lane. hence the BNL vote. BNL is also scum for other reasons, but this is about night actions.

if you're

scum

, everything is just screwy. in that case, McMenno stopped your kill. or, you didn't kill on purpose and had your partner McMenno pretend to jailkeep you. i don't think this is likely due to McMenno saying he jailkept you because you were either going to be the nightkill or the one who performed the kill. it's a risky gambit for the two of you that implicates farside in the kill, who had no way of knowing Charloux and lane would send her a gift/night action.
that leaves lane/Charloux/BNL as possible partners. lane could have done a strange gambit to avoid clearing someone by giving me the cop, as an example. Charloux would also have reason to gift the supersaint to his partner and say it was because she was townread. and BNL is leftovers.

i'm tempted to say you're town and call it a day, because it's easy and BNL looks like scum. but i can't help being suspicious at the number of actions/claimed actions centered around you at night.

[BNL]

BNL/lane is just. it's a weird scumteam.

what i don't see is scum lane fake-claiming to have given the cop to farside, who was jailkept. there's no reason to do it. it doesn't really give him towncred, and it gives him no reasoning/leverage to make the pushes he would want to as scum.

So Lane isn't scummy, but why is he town?

[BNL]

I'm think bnl/lane more likely do to very little interaction.

I remember having quite a lot of interaction with Lane?

[BNL]

Turns out I didn't have the time to reread Farside, but doesn't matter, Lane/NC seems like quite a plausible scumteam right now.

There are three likely towns due to them believing (or rather claiming to believe) Farside is town, yet they are finding reasons to not push each other.

[farside22]

BNL/lane is just. it's a weird scumteam.

what i don't see is scum lane fake-claiming to have given the cop to farside, who was jailkept. there's no reason to do it. it doesn't really give him towncred, and it gives him no reasoning/leverage to make the pushes he would want to as scum.

He didn't claim to send it to me after mcmenno said he jk me.
He probably didn't use it.

he could have given a fake (or real result) using his scumpartner. i still don't see the reason for scum lane to do this.

If lane scum gives to his scum member it ties them together if one is lynched.